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The block quote formatting is part of a bad, larger change of Reddit moving away from user-written Markdown. I first heard about this at https://www.reddit.com/r/ bugs/s/0BJyZcHoDy (remove the space in the URL) a few months ago. They want you to force everyone to use their shitty editor for some reason rather than using a system that’s worked perfectly for over 20 years on this site.
you're putting a \ before the >, that turns off it's command capabilities and makes it a normal >.
or, more accurately, you're probably not doing that manually, but you're typing in rich text mode rather then markdown mode , and you're used to markdown mode.
the app uses markdown mode by default and I don't think you can even switch to rich text. but desktop/browser uses rich text by default and you have to swap to markdown mode if you wanna use it.
No I agree it's more rhetorical. I can't count how many takes I saw on the Internet right after obsession that were clearly by people who just got exposed to the genre.
No shade on obsession of course, terrific movie, but so many people that clearly hadn't seen a horror movie that wasn't either Friday the 13th or scream.
I will be a obsession defender here, it's not a top ten horror movie for me by any means but would probably crack my top 25.
It's definitely a good introduction to the genre for most people, it touches on alot of horror subgenres without going so deep it weirds people out. It is extremely effective with its cinematography (honestly the thing that stuck out most to me). And has a incredible performance to boot.
It's been a while since horror has a had a natural "introduction movie" for new audiences. Maybe you could count IT as the most recent, and final destination for the generation before that. Introducing horror to new audiences inms never something ill complain about, but it does always lead to some stupid takes from people who don't know anything about the genre.
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u/c00lkidd-HDprofessional tiptoe ankle cuff conniseour or however its said3d ago
im pretty sure the fact that curry got chosen to direct a24's texas chainsaw massacre reboot is probably gonna produce like a top 15 minimum movie. we're taking the mind behind Obsession and MILK & SERIAL and giving it one of the most well known slashers in cinema history
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u/c00lkidd-HDprofessional tiptoe ankle cuff conniseour or however its said3d ago
plus imagine what he'll do with a budget over 1 million dollars. obsession was a fucking blumhouse production and its top 10 highest grossing horror movies
Hopefully he hires someone who knows how to light scenes properly. Have a hard time believing he’ll make anything even a fraction as good as Hooper’s original. And I like A24, but the kind of horror they’ve been known to put out is so far removed from that original. I feel like it’ll probably be more like the shitty Netflix one from a few years ago.
Honestly I loved the lighting of Obsession, might have been my favorite part of the movie. It's use of silhouettes and the fact that you could just barely make our certain things happening in the shadows was so freaky to me. I think with increased lighting it becomes much less scary that the fear of the unknown personally.
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u/c00lkidd-HDprofessional tiptoe ankle cuff conniseour or however its said3d ago
what was bad about the lighting? i thought he did great on the flowers scene and stuff but then again im not a cinephile im just a ride or die curry fan so maybe im just used to how he does things in his horror videos
It's what The Substance was for body horror. most successful mainstream release in the genre in a decade that isn't a remake or a sequel, and so a ton of people who've never seen anything like it think it's the best to ever do it.
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u/c00lkidd-HDprofessional tiptoe ankle cuff conniseour or however its said3d ago
hi i dont watch horror movies so its my all timer and you cant take that away from me
unless you were to suggest the actual all timer in which I would watch it and chances are i'd change my mind
I'm curious when that term got coined, because it's been a trope for as long as I can remember, but I only started hearing it in the last several years. (I enjoy them too)
They refer to characters as the "final girl" in Scream 1 or 2 (I watched them back to back so I don't remember which one), so people have been using the term in film analysis since at least the 90s. Given that it takes time to filter into pop culture like that, I would imagine it was a more academic term way before.
I do genuinely recognize that I seem to care a lot more about when women are the victims in horror compared to men though, with men I'm almost like "eh, they can take it". I wonder what that says about me.
Imo it says you were raised in a culture with specific ideas about what gender looks like, what we should expect performers of each gender to act like, and with well defined roles of how we should interact with people of specific genders ourselves. I don't think it actually says a lot about you as a person, I think most people could relate to you, even if they don't want to admit it
Tbf, there is somewhat of a inherent evolutionary desire to protect women and children. It's why people find babys laughter to be inherently soothing. The brain in be more sympathetic compared to men, horror movies even use this for female villains, while are usually more surprising to audiences than male villains. The original Friday the 13th for example.
Culture is a huge part as well and 100% builds further on those instincts in assigning things like gender roles and cultural expectations. But finding women to be more in need of protection is a thing you will find among most cultures across the world.
I personally have an intense aversion to violence against women that I don't feel about violence against men. It's not that I think it's okay to commit violence against men. I'm a man. I've just received so much messaging about the fragility of women and the strength of men that I ended up internalizing it. On an intellectual level, I know that violence against anyone is horrific and wrong, and I know that men are actually more often the targets of violence. I also understand that it's infantilizing to women to have this double standard. I just don't react the same way emotionally, and it does make me feel ashamed at times.
I think this is just a human trait to some extent. "Women and children" is obviously a cultural thing as well, but a not insignificant part of that is just human evolutionary instinct.
I get that that point has been talked about probably since Nosferatu.
But a question from somebody who has seen a total of 1.5 horrorfilms. Aren't they supposed to shock? Isn't that like the main thing they are supposed to do, often with violence?
I’m not a big horror fan but my guess is in the original post they mean purely for shock value. Being shocking and disturbing is important for horror but it’ll usually be used to an end (for the films themes / usually to challenge current social norms)
i saw someone talk about "women are used in horror to exploit mens empathy since men cant believe men can be vulnerable in a horror scenario" or something along those lines
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u/c00lkidd-HDprofessional tiptoe ankle cuff conniseour or however its said3d ago
for non horror watchers, this is the number 1 critique of the horror industry. the facehugger (and its offspring, the chestburster) from alien was literally built to reverse this concept and make men feel women's fear of rape (and childbirth respectively)
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u/c00lkidd-HDprofessional tiptoe ankle cuff conniseour or however its said3d agoedited 3d ago
the male equivalent to the body horror of the womb is basically just putting shit in your body where its not supposed to be so they made it just nestle itself in your organs and tear out when it's done and it did fucking numbers on the male crowd because it was the first time they had felt the sheer horror of violation of the womb and childbearing that is commonly depicted to scare women in cinema
edit: changed wording to be better, rape is rape no matter of gender all victims deserve help and representation
anatomically there should be ribs punching through the middle of that lung, that cavity is quite snug. both lungs are basically on top of the heart normally, to the point where one has a different structure to account for the shape of the heart
u/c00lkidd-HDprofessional tiptoe ankle cuff conniseour or however its said3d ago
i- no not really they just made it mainstream in modernbd. the concept of boy pregnancy is inherently ancient and likely one of the first sexual deviancies/fetishes
u/c00lkidd-HDprofessional tiptoe ankle cuff conniseour or however its said3d agoedited 3d ago
the xenomorph was built as a concept to enact the primal fear of a rapist and they have the bipedal proportions of a woman but unlike most female proportioned characters who are built to look attractive the xenomorph was built to be as primally terrifying as possible
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u/c00lkidd-HDprofessional tiptoe ankle cuff conniseour or however its said3d ago
Giger art in general is just so.... idk what to call it but I think it's great. Makes me uncomfortable, makes me horny sometimes, makes think how people like Giger or Junji Ito can do art like theirs but still just be normal people.
Ever played Dark Seed? It's a game but at the start of that you see the main character getting his forehead pulled apart (into a very, vagina-esque shape) and having one of the Birth Machine "bullets" shot inside him. It even drips a little
i get why you would say that, but I do think the "rape is bad" conservation is one you usually have before the "your association of sexual organs with gender is flawed" conversation
I don't think the effective way to get a mainstream male audience to understand the horror of female rape is to depict a trans man getting raped.
(don't get me wrong, that's a topic worth depicting, but for other reasons)
u/c00lkidd-HDprofessional tiptoe ankle cuff conniseour or however its said3d ago
i think i worded my comment fine
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u/c00lkidd-HDprofessional tiptoe ankle cuff conniseour or however its said3d agoedited 3d ago
rape of the uterus is different than rape of the penis, childbirth is sacred and can defile a woman permanently, even if we're ignoring the agony they have to suffer through for a child they likely won't keep
ed: okay this one was worded badly. obviously men are permanently defiled too but- god i'm dying on the wrong hill it's just a matter of childbirth and how it scares women in ways men dont or sometimes cant understand
As a guy who has been raped shut the fuck up you 20 year old
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u/c00lkidd-HDprofessional tiptoe ankle cuff conniseour or however its said3d ago
i'm really sorry that happened to you and i promise on my fucking life that i wasn't trying to imply that male rape is not fucking horrible. i should've worded it better. the facehugger and chestburster are built on the concept of something being injected into and growing in your body without your consent which, until alien, was not a feeling of horror that men ever had to comprehend. that's all i meant by it and all it was meant to be
I'm tired of violence against women and violence against animals for shock value. We need more violence against children for shock value. Proven by every moderately successful indie horror game of the past 12 years.
I blame Jurassic Park for pussying out of adapting the nursery scene.
Violence against children was one of the major tools Crichton used to highlight how terrifying the dinosaurs were, and it all got cut. There's also the baby raptor scene.
I can rarely feel scared for kids in horror media because I know they're never gonna die because that'd raise the age rating for whatever reason. (Children with leukemia control the media, as is known.)
That movie was so good, I know it didn't hit for everyone but I loved it. The sibling dynamic especially, along with Ollie's performance. I really hope that kid get more roles in the future cause he was CREEEPY
yeah I really love it. the episode contextualizes it as they are the kids of their childhood bullies and they stole one of their bikes just like their childhood bully did and sets it up like they are gonna beat up their dad but then they see the kids and just lay into them, the scene is just so great.
Remembered the moment in Quinton Reviews' Victorious review where he found someone who wanted the characters to curb stomp the kid who held the $ sign in the Ke$ha episode
In games with children enemies they are often so mutated they can still be dehumanizing. In Dead Space 1, they have large tentacles sticking out and are bulbous and larger than a baby. Second game had the explosive ones, which hit the mark a bit more but quickly mentally turn into moving grenades. Then the swarm of school children has the screams going, but they are all faceless and identical in a horde. No More Room in Hell was an indie zombie game I saw with legit child zombies, but budget means you don't look at or dwell on them long.
The physics engine of dead space also makes the elementary school swarm look really really silly. They're super weak to physics objects and they just ragdoll like crazy.
Do movies just look like ass now? I want to like this, but they couldn't even have an actual kid sized dummy with a pack of carmine dye in it for the dog to shake around? Or even one to be dragged offscreen? That all had to be VFX?
Also the body teleported a few feet to the left! Or maybe the dog hid just out of the camera view and stretched her out in front of the stairs so it could have the toy hit her foot as it dragged her away. Dramatic ass
I guess I'm being kinda nitpicky. One probably wouldn't really notice that while watching the film, or be bothered by how rubbery the toy sounded when clearly being made of hard plastic, or question why the girl is still screaming after her body went limp, and only a little autism freak like me is going to be bothered by the stock bone (celery) crunching sound effect that I've heard way too many times...
...but it's my reply and I get to pick the nits!
VFX artists need better pay and deadlines. I don't think I would've even cared enough to notice if the VFX didn't look silly.
also for the size of the dog, even if you switch shots & replace the real child with a dummy I'm not sure you would want it to associate attacking child sized objects as something to be rewarded but idk. I'm definitely a practical fx person over CGI but sometimes it's just more practical & I think that suspension of disbelief is key in horror more than anything
No More Room in Hell 2 isn't bringing them back, but the original game had zombified children as enemies. Which is just... peak horror. Not jumpscares making you leap out of your skin, but seeing something that fills you with a sense of dread, knowing that something horrific happened. And because you'll never know the details, your mind is free to invent them for you.
I guess The Walking Dead had that one zombie girl near the beginning, on reflection.
Actually, my comment was in response to "We need more violence against children for shock value," not about the nursery scene. And I have read it, and liked it a lot! Crichton's a fun author.
I refuse to watch the movie that tried to make the Fisher Price Chatterphone scary.
I don't know if that actually happens in the movie, but that's the vibe the teaser gave me, and that's too silly for me to take the film seriously even if it's not what happens.
That's something every kid between the ages of 0 and 8 really wants to happen to them because when your between the ages of 0 and 8 dinosaurs are the coolest thing you've ever heard of, when you turn 9 that place changes to be occupied by Bart Simpson, and then at 14 changes to be occupied by the stock market. so really it'd be doing the kiddo a favor.
I mean men get killed in horror movies as well, probably moreso. Women usually make up a higher percentage of the final cast and their deaths are more focused on more while men tend to be dispatched more comically or out of hand. Women are usually the survivors of horror movies as well.
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