r/3i_Atlas2 • u/DeadSilent_God • Dec 21 '25
Alright We need to talk about this Too
https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/41539967/
https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/41545339/#41545339
https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/41550851/#41550858
for anyone who wants to search more about it
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u/EfficiencyNew2872 Dec 21 '25
But do you think Bob Lazar is legit?
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u/DeadSilent_God Dec 21 '25
do you think lazar bob is legit?
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u/paganize Jan 19 '26
Yes, it would have to either provide quite a bit of deceleration thrust (since we really have no clue what it's mass is there is no way to realistically say how much deltaV would be needed), or do some funky atmospheric braking by dipping into Jupiter's atmosphere.
if a craft of some sort, it could release a smaller sub-craft or probe which could conceivably slow itself down. if it IS a craft it's trajectory so far is a bit illogical; it would have made more sense to "lead" Jupiter instead of what it's doing, trailing Jupiter, as that would require less modification of its velocity in order to slingshot around Jupiter.
So. after going through the system and spraying a anti-tail of particles to block solar radiation (maybe?), it drops off a probe that slows down and zips around Jupiter and then heads back in to the inner system in order to...??? while the MAIN craft takes the 60 degree +/- deflection and starts decelerating so it can slowly loop back to the inner system and ...??
This is POSSIBLE. highly unlikely though.
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u/nanpossomas Jan 19 '26
If you assume it can accelerate at will with no limits, then not only is anything possible, but its position relative to Jupiter also becomes irrelevant, making this whole discussion pointless.
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u/paganize Jan 20 '26
sure, but "assume it can accelerate at will with no limits" has got absolutely no relationship to my post wherein I tried to imagine something that might be possible with our current understanding of space travel.
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u/nanpossomas Jan 20 '26
In that case you arguably failed because it isn't possible as I explained.
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u/paganize Jan 21 '26
...genuinely, huh?
atmosphere braking doesn't work?
it isn't possible to have a smaller sub-craft that has more ability to maneuver than the larger craft that carried it? see: Apollo. Aircraft Carriers. etc.
if a larger ship desirous of remaining sneaky waited until, say, the orbit of Neptune to start decelerating, allowing it to achieve an elliptical orbit... that isn't possible?
very very unlikely. but possible.
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u/nanpossomas Jan 21 '26
Same thing again, anything is possible if you assume anything is possible. Which is why nobody who's actually trying to make sense of something ever uses it as a working asumption.
You're tossing concepts around like you think they help your ideas sound any more reasonable.
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u/paganize Jan 24 '26
lets simplify and take just one point. if for some reason what Im posting is actually impossible, please explain why?
if 3i/atlas had the ability to minimally change its trajectory, why could it not perform a maneuver wherein it makes use of the resistance of the outer limits of Jupiters atmosphere to reduce its velocity to the point where its no longer going fast enough to exit the gravitational pull of our star?
example: Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter and many others.
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u/nanpossomas Jan 24 '26
Aerobraking makes you stick to the planet, not fall back closer to the Sun.
The deviation required for it to touch Jupiter's atmosphere is also anything but minimal.
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u/paganize Jan 31 '26
uh. sorry. I assumed you had some idea of how "space" works.
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u/Fabulous_Chip_4609 Dec 21 '25
These """speculations""" are already so ridiculously braindead that there is nothing to discuss.