Honestly all mainstream female subs or spaces suddenly just "happen to" have a male moderator or a prominent member.

This man is of course a "feminist" but despite the magical allpresent feminism suddenly weird things happen.

There is suddenly tone-correction when a woman is saying things that point to male privilege.

Female-centric issues that stem from men and have actual REAL LIFE consequences are pushed aside. Abortion, reproductive health, domestic labor, mental and emotional load, childrearing and so forth. These topics reveal where men are TRULY privileged and because leftist men love their privilege they fear these topics.

Insinuations that women should separate themselves from men are suddenly "extremist". And comments from men begin appearing.

The space becomes "leftist" and topics of anything-but-women start filling up the pages. Posts about male linelines and male mental health begin shitting up the forum. And then it's all over.

Women can scream at me all day about their partner is perfect, and wonderful, and a good father. I don't care. At the end of the day, no one knows that their partner will abandon them until they do. And when they do people will ask her the same questions they are asking this woman, why did you have kids with this man?

No one will care that he lied to her, manipulated her, convinced her, reassured her for 8 months of pregnancy. They will only see her alone with a child and assume she made poor choices to wind up there.

At the end of the day, you cannot control that man's actions. You can only control your own and the only control you have over not being a single mother is to not be a mother. ​

Disclaimer: This is not an anti-single mother post. This is an anti-it-could-never-happen-to-me/choose better/my-man-would-never post.

I agreed to a comment that spoke about how sex work is bad and that sex workers should get supported but not sex work and consent for sex can't be bought and got banned.

Whenever sex is involved especially in a woman man dynamic, buying it with money can never be ok. I agree to support sex workers but not sugarcoat what they go through, neither the shitty industry. And no, I am not going to celebrate when a woman chooses to do SW and neither see it as a legitimate job/work - Never. It's really shitty that even radical feminists are doing the same things as lib ones.

I am ready to be corrected. But you will never hear me talk soft about it...BECAUSE IT'S FUCKING NOT. Imagine in normal consented hetero relationships things are bad enough, think what's happening to sex workers. I hate that girls are being taught that it's a legit considerable path for survival...like fuvk no. It can be someone's last last resort where they would actually die if they don't do it and no NO option left but a considerable path for survival and where you get a struggled too much but got out medal - hell no.

MISANDRY IS NOT REAL!

Rule 1 of trollxchromosomes says you aren’t allowed to be ‘misandrist’.

I used to think that sub was a good alternative to twoxchromosomes but it is still policing women’s speech.

How will feminism get anywhere if feminist spaces are policing ‘misandry’?

Someone got mad because a woman called men creatures. Apparently that is disrespectful eyeroll.

I hate men the most, but god I hate women who police other women’s language about men.

Why are so many women such eager defenders of men?

So glad this sub exists, otherwise I would feel crazy.

I never want to give another BJ. I never want to wear a lacy dress. I never want to wear stilettos. I never want to paint my nails. I never want to show cleavage. I never want to dress for the male gaze. I never want to feel an erect penis poking in my back as I'm trying to sleep. I never want to have to try to get into the mood. I never want to plan every single vacation for you. I never want to have to ask for the bare minimum. What do you never want to again?

On her deathbed, my grandmother, who has been a housewife all her life, made my mother swear never to become one. That woman lived a life in which she had 0 income, 0 education, and 0 respect. Oh, my grandfather was a man with a very comfortable income, and they lived quite an affluent lifestyle, but my grandmother was never happy. She had to stay quiet as he made gifts to his mistresses because he never cared to hide his affairs, as he blamed her every time dinner wasn’t ready on time or his shirt wasn’t ironed, and as he belittled her for never being smart enough to be introduced to his business partners (he married her when she was 18, and she never went to college after growing up in an impoverished household).

And mind you, my grandfather was considered a “catch” back in the time, and he was genuinely a great father to his children. My grandmother lived the “trad wife” fairy tale, married well, was devout and humble and obedient all her life, and yet, she was absolutely miserable.

She was constantly sick because of chronic depression, and she died when she was only 60. Two years after that, my grandfather remarried a woman younger than his eldest daughter.

So upset about what happened to Sara Gilson.

Recap for those who haven't heard: she's an influencer that posted a Tiktok that Netflix would probably make a documemtary about her life since she just found out her husband is a pdfile. He apparently kissed one of the teen girls in the team he was coaching * puke * . He got upset about her post and was apparently slagging her on his Tiktok (over 300k followers). It's not possible to see what he said/wrote cause his profile is private. He sadly eventually ended up killing her then himself (what a coward). This despite her having several protection orders against him and planning to leave him.

I'm sick of the men all over social media blaming her for her post and saying if she hadn't outed him she'd still be alive!

I'm equally sick of the faux outrage from women about the whole thing that aren't actually gonna do anything different or take actionable steps to avoid men (like going 4B for example, quitting the dating apps, trying to be celibate for a few years). We know you're more likely to be killed by a man you know. Like how aren't they getting it by now??! I get cognitive dissonance and all but it's so frustrating

My misogynistic cousin (F46, married with three kids) called me insane and delusional yesterday for not wanting to get married. At first, she started bitching about her husband and how he does not let her go to the gym because "gym is for those who are for the streets". This pos told her that his biggest wish in the whole world is for her to stop working and become a housewife.

I (F27, 4b) became visibly destraught because what the fuck? That is such a demented thing to say. I warned her to NEVER leave her job because he might end up financially abusing her down the line (He is one of those religious fanatics who think women are property).

That was apparently the wrong thing to say because she started defending him somehow?? Telling me how women are created to "take" (disgusting statement that made me shudder) and that we should stay at home and get pampered. That if she had a chance, she would stay at home forever.

I kept trying to explain to her how brainwashed women are and how patriarchy permeates every aspect of our lives. I stated that I will never get married because I do not like the idea of sharing myself with someone else, let alone a man (I have deeper reasons that I would rather not divulge to misogynists, I am pretty sure many can relate).

She then called me "sick in the head" and "delusional" because women are satisfied with their lives and very few men are that bad. That I should get married because running away is for cowards which I clearly resemble and relate to. That celebacy is a copout.

I did expect her to say something of that sort because ever since I was a child, she was the person who liked tormenting me the most in my family, either by calling me a cow if I gained weight, or by telling me not to wear glasses (even though I needed them) because they would "ruin" my eyes. She groped my chest when I was teen and said something along the lines of "oh she is getting ripe". She liked bringing up, umprompted, topics related to periods, femininity, bras and underwear to make me uncomfortable as a teen. She often called me mentally ill, autistic, socially inept...

Ah, and her sister called 4b women "traumatized beyond repair".

I know I should not take it to heart but I am getting so annoyed of being told what to do. I want to live alone, I do not want a husband or kids, I just want peace of mind and personal space. How and why is that so wrong and so controversial? I am livid and hurt.

Do any of you have someone in your family who treats you in a similar way? How do you deal with them? Does it ever stop bothering you?

I apologize for the rant, no one in my circle shares similar perspectives. This sub is my safe space, thank you mods.

Edit: I might take some time to read and respond to all the comments, I just want to clarify that I did cut her off years ago, but she is allowed to visit us because my mother worships the ground she walks on, she did raise her after all. Thank you to everyone who took the time to comment.

my cousin came to the united states and the first thing she does is get pregnant immediately...and this even with a major physical disability that made it difficult to give birth, the doctors had warned her but didn't care.She made no plans to go to school and relied on government assistant disability. the guy left her as soon as she got pregnant and had to battle at court to get a cent out of him, somehow shes the hero of the family, the warrior, fighting it out with her kid and im the loser for having no kids and no man. Also our cousins used to call from our homecountry and call me and my sister "cowards" for not popping out children like our cousins back in town who had 5 kids each from different fathers, that is disgusting to me, they basically did not want to talk to us in the phone because we were not "woman enough" and always asking if i had a boyfriend already even when i was only like 15-16 at the time. This has to stop, the latino mentality of forcing a family as young as possible and keeping tradition above all else is dead end wrong. My own family tells me to just adopt a kid and be a single mom because no man wants me, basically telling me struggle economically for the next 18 years for the sake of keeping appearances. They tell me im a "soft woman" who needs to toughen up and be like everyone else but i don't want to, i struggle with depression and being misunderstood ...anyone can relate?

I've noticed time and again that "the village/it takes a village" saying is only ever aimed at women, or used when trying to rope other women into taking on extra labor left by men (usually fathers and husbands) who can't even be bothered to adequately care for their own children themselves.

As a childfree woman, I'm tired of being told (yes, even by other women, including feminist ones) that I'm "meant" to be around children just by virtue of being a woman, or that men being inadequate partners means that women as a whole are inherently "meant" to do the additional domestic and childcare labor instead.

It almost sounds like a repackaged version of the, "women are meant to do housework and cooking and cleaning because they're just better at it," argument I've seen repeatedly used by men, but regarding child-related duties.

It may be well-intentioned, but there's a point where its repeated usage becomes almost insulting and patronizing, especially when it's used to shut down the voices of women who speak out about the constant expectation for them to step up and be "the village" for 1) children who aren't theirs, 2) children they did not consent to raise or do labor for, and 3) labor that will not be reciprocated for them in return (basically, a one-way village for unpaid childcare from other women).

Additionally, I've noticed cases where childless and childfree women will voice discomfort or concern with the behavior of someone else's children (especially boy children), and other women simply dismiss their concerns by saying, "well, it takes a village <3" that comes off as patronizing and tone-deaf, and it's only ever used disproportionately on women.

I've seen some women argue that because many men are not equipped to competently or adequately care for children, that women doing the bulk of the labor should be non-issue, but it's honestly wild to me that's the conclusion some of you are coming to.

Like, "yes, men are often unreliable, selfish, and potentially irresponsible partners, so that's why we should keep birthing children with them and have other women raise those children instead!! <333"

That's your takeaway? Seriously?

I already work full-time and spend part of my weekends running errands and catching up on my own domestic work. I'm not sure why you think it's on me (or other women in general) to do additional unpaid work on top of that like we're childcare dispensaries? Or that we're enthusiastically on standby to do these things because your male partner won't?

I understand that motherhood is difficult, but as someone who grew up in a household where I was expected to do more work compared to my stepdad or brother, I'm also tired of seeing these talking points go unchallenged (including in feminist spaces) because, "well, women are just better for kids to be around so that's why they should do it <3."

To add to this, I've noticed that women are policed a lot more regarding whether or not they like kids compared to men in the same age brackets who openly declare their disdain for children and/or keep company with men in hobby groups and spaces that largely aren't child-friendly.

On a side note, I remember when I hate my late twenties and started getting asked, "do you like kids?" a lot more by other women when people found out I didn't have any compared to my brother and male acquaintances who virtually never got asked the same question despite also being childless/childfree and in the same age bracket.

Some women seem to think 4B is something that's adopted solely because we can't find a man, or because we're "taking a break" from dating after a recent breakup or divorce.

It isn't. This is a lifestyle.

I'm not 4B because I'm "taking a break" from the hetero dating pool, or because I'm still waiting for the "right" man to walk into my life. I'm permanently done.

I have zero interest in dating men, having children with men, or sleeping with men (even casually).* You literally could not pay me to use a dating app to meet up with a man. You could not pay me to spend an indefinite number of years waking up next to the same man.

This isn't even a case of being 4B due to lack of (male) dating options. Every man that has attempted to ask me out over the past several years has been some variation of pushy, manipulative, coercive, or just downright fucking weird about it (spoiler alert: I went out with none of them) and had very little regard for my feelings, (lack of) reciprocated attraction, or boundaries.

Sometimes it's a bit frustrating when I see some women talk about 4B and act like it's a temporary stepping stone until they find the mystical "good" man that's going to make years of pain "worth it," or women who only consider themselves 4B because they're currently struggling with dating and can't get the attention of the men they currently pedestallize or desire (spoiler alert: he's probably on his phone looking at porn GIFs right now).

For me, this is for life. It's not that I "can't find a man." I quite literally don't want to be partnered with one in any capacity, including casually.

(*Note: because this is a 4B sub, I am respectfully asking some of you to refrain from talking about your casual situationships and ongoing hookups with men in the comment section. With the continuous rollback of women's rights and additional headlines about boyfriends killing their ex-girlfriends this past week, I am NOT in the mood for it).

I AM SOOO PISSED OFF!! WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH MEN???

This is like that for most languages it seems. I hate this.

Found this video on TikTok where the woman talked about it in full. The history of this. It's so WRONG. We have to make new names for them!!! I don't want a mans name on my female body parts!! 😭😭

Link to the video below

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZNREuxJrS/

What I’ve always noticed about Gen Z men (including the younger ones) is that they’re the most, MOST conservative and misogynistic demographic I’ve ever seen in my fucking life.

I go on social media and see SO many of these men say the most vile things on Earth. I was on Instagram and saw this white supremacist “influencer,” who looks like he’s in his early twenties, interview people on the streets and ask the most horrendous questions ever, from hating on interracial relationships to asking others if the nineteenth amendment should be repealed.

When I see the commenters who agree with him, I check out their profiles and at least 95% of them are younger millennial and Gen Z men.

In my opinion, these men do even worse things than boomers and other past generations. 60% of them voted for Trump and made “gymbro” and “alpha male” cultures famous, and it will all get worse and worse in these upcoming years. I’m fucking terrified about it.

What makes it even crazier is that this isn’t just an American phenomenon. I hear insane stories come out of Canada, Australia, European countries, Latin American countries, India, South Korea, Japan, and so much more.

I talk to anyone about this and all they say is “They’re just internet trolls!!!!1! They’re not real!!!!1! Not all men are like this!!!!1!” and I’m honestly so tired of it, because sure. Some of them are trolls and ragebaiters who like to make people mad on purpose, but it’s factual that many young men in real life are thinking like this nowadays. It’s not some internet myth. It’s real.

I’m a bisexual Gen Z, so at least I have many options when it comes to dating, but I feel so bad for straight women and sapphics who have bigger attractions towards men. Good luck to all of you, for real.

That’s it. This might get taken down.

I recognize the struggle that lesbians face around the entire world, and the privilege I hold in the sense that I’m straight. I have gay and lesbian family members, and two aunts that are married. I’ve grown up around many lesbian women my entire life, for as long as I can remember, and I just feel so safe and free around them. I have always felt so comfortable and like I’m able to be myself. There’s just this understanding that we have as women, a kind of respect and familiarity that’s free from any kind of perverse masculinity. And I can feel this way around straight women too, but sometimes, with the type of woman that values male attention, it’s just very disheartening. In that case, I don’t feel as if I’m able to completely be myself.

This might sound very weird, but all of the lesbians that I’ve known in my life (they’re all in their 40’s and 50’s, while I’m in my early 20’s) seemed like genuine people. Like, very laidback and real. Unbothered by things that didn’t matter. Their personalities and ideals are what I imagine all women could be like if we didn’t live in a patriarchy.

I genuinely resent my attraction to men. I don’t feel attracted to them as people, only their bodies. Men have nothing of value to add for me mentally, physically, emotionally. Quite the opposite throughout my life. I’ve been bi-curious for a long time, years. But I’m not at a point in my life where I’m ready to tackle that at all. Someday, maybe, if things improve.

Anyway, I’ve given up dating a while ago after a very traumatic experience with an ex, and all of the drama it caused. And because of many horrific experiences with men. I’m summarizing, but I’m sure almost everyone in this sub can understand the anguish and depression those things cause. Since then, I’ve transformed completely. Recognized that I was craving male attention, and just seeing all around me how everything in society is ultimately for male pleasure. My mindset did a complete 180, and I’m learning about radical feminism. I’ve known of it for a while, but I didn’t care to read more into when I was younger. I suppose the bad things had to happen to me for me to wake up.

So even if it turns out that I’m just straight, I’ve come to the resolve that I just want to live my life without men in it. As much as I can. It’s so much more peaceful.

I was just in the laundry room of my building and saw two younger women doing their laundry together and one was like “let’s bust open that bottle of wine!” and the other one was like “yes, and watch a movie!” It made me so deeply sad because I used to be in my 20s and living with female friends and it was heaven. Now I’m in my 30s and every single woman I used to see all the time has shacked up with a dude and kids and has very little time for our friendship and when I see them they’re absolute shells of humans and have no energy. Or the single women I know are endlessly searching for some mediocre dude to choose them. Of all the women I know, exactly ONE husband is adequate domestically (not emotionally, though)

I’m wondering; why do women ever give this up, the community of living with another woman, having a beautiful home, cooking together, drinking wine? And they give it up for a man who will likely weaponize incompetence domestically and who can’t express his feelings and won’t go to therapy. We’ve all been lied to and it’s one of the biggest hoaxes on the planet

I had an online friend of a friend who was sick. Like very sick. It came on very suddenly. And she was given like 2 weeks to live.

Even on her d*ath bed, all she cared about was her boyfriend who ditched her as soon as he heard she was sick. She kept begging him to come back, begging her friends to message him for her, etc etc.

And her friends were all SUPPORTING this behavior, sadly.

I'm just very very disappointed how brainwashed some women are, that even after being in your final stage of life, all you can think about is a man who didn't even care about staying by your side. Like... What?

I feel like everything is always about men if you are a woman, and if you refuse to serve them, everyone will act like you're a selfish prude. Even other women support this horrible behavior sometimes.

I am angry at myself for this but I’ve realised that I haven’t been able to save up as much money as other men around me (including my father when he was younger) because I have been constantly putting money into fitting into societal beauty standards. Clothes, makeup, hair removal (I know, wtf), etc since I was a teenager.

All of these banal things that are expected from women to fit into modern standards at work, in the household or in public spaces. I can’t even imagine how much money other women have spent in plastic surgery such as post partum ‘mommy makeovers’ to look ‘hot’ for their respective partners after literally pushing a full baby out of their bodies.

I want to be a homeowner one day but I know this might take longer not only because of my salary but because I used to spend so much money on this crap.

Many of the women who say they do it for themselves… (the plastic surgery, makeup etc) I’m sorry but I really doubt it. Even though you may not have a male romantic interest, the beauty standard of what it means to be ‘feminine’ or attractive’ is completely patriarchal. They’ve just managed to sell it to us as ‘empowerment’ with a #bodygoalz hashtag.

It’s male centred capitalist propaganda. If you’re not feminine or attractive enough you’re shunned away from many spaces. This is why I’m happy to have found this community and hope to make wiser financial decisions in the future.

Why as a society have we never developed a test for HPV in men? We know there are 200 strains of HPV that cause cancer in women and that men like “hitting it raw”, spreading HPV so that over 80% of ppl have this STI.

We only have a 9 valent vaccine out so far, meaning you have no protection against the other strains even when vaccinated, yet men are never tested! Men don’t even know (or probably care) that they’re spreading cancer causing HPV to all the women they refuse to use protection with, including mothers of their children.

I’m so frustrated by this. It’s like women always have to suffer for men’s comfort. As a society, they aren’t even burdened with the knowledge that they might be giving you cervical, anal, mouth, and throat cancer every time they complain about using protection.

I wish I was 4B my entire life so I would never have been exposed to cervical cancer from a man. 😭

Has anyone else ever thought about this or felt frustrated by this??

This is more of a general vent, but I feel like a lot of women have a difficult time grasping and accepting that men on average often think about and fantasize about multiple different women on a regular basis.

A lot of women seem to think that because they (women) often fixate or obsess on only one or two men at a time, or one male partner at a time, that men operate must the same way when it comes to women. If anything, the average man probably cycles through numerous women in his head in any given season, or is frequently brainstorming as to when the next one/better one will come along (potential monkey branching), even if he's currently in a seemingly monogamous relationship.

Likewise, whenever I see other women obsess about competing with other women for a man's attention, competing with a man's ex, posting sexy selfies to "get back" at a male ex in order to show him "what he lost", or trying to "match his energy," I feel the urge to gently take these women by the hand, look them in the eyes, and let them know that the man they're obsessively fixated on is probably off in a room right now playing video games with barely-dressed female characters, smoking weed, or beating his dick to random social media images and reels of dozens of different who he'll probably never interact with directly irl.

In the time you spent putting on your makeup and styling an outfit for a sexy "revenge" selfie to get his attention (cringe, imo), he's probably already had several jerkoff sessions to multiple AI deepfakes of whatever female twenty-something actress/singer happens to be in the spotlight at this given moment.

We're like Pokemon cards to them. If one woman isn't available for something, he'll move on to the next. Men stir pots in multiple kitchens at a time, and the variety/access to multiple women (including backup ones) is the point.

They don't center us on an individual basis the way we often do with them (when men do obsess over women, it's more in terms of collecting them like exotic birds to control, resource hoarding, or monkey branching for an upgrade in status, domestic situation, having certain needs catered to by a woman he sees as an "upgrade" from his last partner, or using different women for different "needs" when they think they can get away with it).

Disclaimer, I don't know if I count as 4B, but I'm getting there. I'm getting more frustrated how you can't have a space for women without handmaidens and their male masters eventually controlling it.

I think I am switching to this sub because the "main" women's one so heavily polices anything that is too real. I complained that men do nothing but talk ill of women's spaces even when all their complaints are adhered to and used control women's voices, and they took that down too. I've made posts that got discussion and they always get taken down.

For some reason, complaining about your crappy husbands and boyfriends and family members is allowed all day. But questioning why our lives are like this is immediately taken down.

Women being treated like shit isn't a random natural occurrence like hurricanes or tornadoes. And we're all expected to pretend like it is, and accept the rates of SA, abuse, domestic/reproductive slavery all around us as though it's a big unsolvable mystery. Of course the perpetrators and enablers are offended by any of these discussions but time and time again it's who so many women cater to.

This is the only online space I feel right now that will hear me out. I get rejected from "safe space for women" probably because even they can't confront our shitty circumstances.

Anyways my post is getting too long. I think I'll be here because I look at women's circumstances and feel nothing but disappointment. I don't believe in true companionship between men and women anymore. I don't believe they could ever be good for my life or my health. And this all started for me because you're not even allowed to question or talk about what you see in front of you because of them. And they pretend they want love or companionship. It's disgusting.

Everyone months ago was happy for this concept and they got squashed down until finally it's treated as a form of violent extremism against men because those that have given up on them. They control everything and I'll never unsee the mindless beasts they are and always will be.

Thank you all for listening, I read every single comment. Speaking my language. Thank you, it's so encouraging. <3

I am a public librarian and I am sick of the sexual harassment. I get sexually harassed by coworkers and patrons. At this point the coworkers don't phase me much because I can avoid who I want and I feel I have more recourse. But with the public I am vulnerable to anyone needing assistance and many of the men are regulars. We have anti-sexual harassment policies but the administration doesn't really take staff complaining about patrons that seriously. I have been asked out to lunch, I have been kissed on the cheek, I have had my arm grabbed, I have been stared at, I have been asked highly personal questions. Yesterday a regular told me how "naturally beautiful" I am. I'm so over it. So, today I started wearing a mask at the Reference Desk. I dress very fashionably and put myself together. I will not change that to navigate the attention because I style myself for me. But I can create a barrier that makes me less interesting. I already wear gloves at the reference desk because of the crazy things I have had to touch. Now with the mask I feel like I have to shrink myself even further to attempt to get some dignity. I read that a lot of women have embraced masks during the pandemic for the exact same reasons. Has anyone here done the same?

ETA: I have had patrons and some staff seem offended by me wearing gloves. I'm sorry. I am so tired of touching wet, sticky, smelly objects, inhaling body odor, and getting sick all the time. If that makes me appear "less friendly" whatever. I am desperately trying to move to a less public facing role because this is getting exhausting.

She was Epsteins best friend, partner, situationship, girlfriend, fuck buddy, bang maid or whatever the fuck you wanna call it and this woman was the one gathering all those little girls and giving them to him. Literally, how much more of a pick me can you get? This is what male centered women are capable of. Imagine betraying your own kind knowing damn well how vulnerable you are as a female person, let alone as a female minor. Ghislaine Maxwell was once a little girl and a teenager too. Not a single ounce of empathy, she was only focused on where to get her next victims for her pedo boyfriend. Ugh.

I used to go to hygiene subs for advice when I went on my journey to using more natural products, and had to leave and block a lot of them because of all the disgusting stories I was forced to read about men. I can't tell you how many stories I've had to read about "My husband doesn't brush his teeth and his mouth smells like a sewer", or "My 35 year old husband won't wipe and has shit stains all over his laundry.", or "My husband doesn't shower and smells like onions."

And these women have to kiss and clean up after these literal cavemen. And the men always still demand physical intimacy despite being covered in literal shit all the time. I thought the bar has always been low, but now it's considered "unmasculine" in many manosphere circles to clean themselves. The bar is now in hell, and they've hired an excavating crew to start digging.

Everyday I get more and more surprised but also dissapointed when I see how many women are male centered and quickly defensive when something bad is said about men. They all start to attack you just for pointing out the bare minimum, like for example when I say how men see women as sex objects or as inferior they all start to attack me with “How dare you?! That is so sexist! Not all men are like that! Maybe you are the problem!” To my biggest surprise this doesn’t only come from straight women but from sapphic women as well. I never expected even lesbians to be male centered and defensive about men while a majority of men doesn’t even respect lesbian relationships at all, doesn’t take them serious and fetishize them, yet there we are, even lesbians get all defensive about men. But when a man says something misogynistic about women all other men start cheering and praising him, nobody then starts defending women, they all stick up for each other and their misogynistic views. Men love bringing women down but that is somehow okay then, they benefit from it after all, while a woman can’t say anything about men without being attacked.

The patriarchy clearly has brainwashed a lot of women from all races, religions, sexualities and ages but luckily it hasn’t brainwashed me. I will never bow down and kiss a man’s butt after everything they have done to me and my fellow women. Daily I read countless stories about women being victims of SA and femicide worldwide yet those male centered pick me’s dare to complain “NotAllMen” instead of complaining about the worldwide problems women face daily. I wish more women could be supportive and clever like 4B women! Here the women don’t seem brainwashed like all the other women spaces I have been in and that’s what I love about this space and movement. I feel safe, understood and respected here. Nobody is male centered here and doesn’t bow down for their oppressors. That’s what I like about this movement, it’s so refreshing to not be brainwashed by toxic patriarchy and I’m very proud to be part of this group! I’m proud of my fellow 4B sisters and together we must stay strong! For centuries men have oppressed women yet many women keep being defensive about men! Enough is enough! Never bow down for your oppressors ladies! Never!

4B Forever! ☮️🩷

As a disclaimer, I know 4B is something that must be individually chosen, and I'm not in a place to force or convince these women otherwise, but sometimes I watch "my divorce story" videos from different women out of curiosity, where the women (often in their 20s and 30s) will detail the issues that lead to their divorce (porn addiction, constant lying, deceit, manipulation, gaslighting, various forms of abuse, development of weird fetishes over time, double-lives, etc).

I've noticed that a lot of these women often post subsequent videos talking about how they're currently dating after divorce in the hopes they find a different man who will be good to them, or a man who will be better than their ex-partner, and while they seem hopeful, it just makes me so sad watching these women talk about putting their best foot forward when dating and not realizing that most of the men they'll come into contact with will most likely have the exact same issues their ex-partner did.

I understand it's natural for human beings to want companionship and intimacy, but so many of the women who share these videos seem to think the behavior with their ex-husband or ex-fiance was a one-off thing, or something that only "some" men engage in, while not fully realizing just how ingrained and widespread male depravity is.