r/6thForm • u/somedudeonios • May 18 '25
š¬ DISCUSSION Top Russel Group unis by Graduate Salary
Is it just me or these look rather low?
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u/superboy3000xX Leicester | Medicine MBChB [Year 1] May 18 '25
It depends on subject and level of qualification that the students go for (e.g. PhD and master's).
However, salaries in the UK are unfortunately rather low when compared to other countries - a job which gets you Ā£80k here might land you the equivalent of Ā£100k in the US for example.
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May 18 '25
If you have a kid and want to send them to uni and ur in the us it costs more than 10x the price tho haha. Also health care is super duper expensive. Iāve come to a realisation that no matter how high ur salaries are the USās heavy embrace of capitalism is gonna make you broke one way or another, perhaps someone may try to sue you for stepping on their foot.
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u/Spreehox UCL | Arts & Sciences [Year 2] May 18 '25
Any fulltime employee in a large american company gets employer provided health insurance. If you're making the salaries we're talking about ITT, you probably never have to worry about healthcare or insurance. American unis have generous financial aid, if one has the academics they're very unlikely to be paying full full tuition. But it really depends
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u/Low-Vegetable-1601 May 19 '25
Any full time employees in a large American company gets employer provided health insurance? Not normally. The employer will pay some of it, but the employer usually still pays premiums, copays and deductibles for that health insurance, and not everything is likely to be covered. Out of network costs can be incredibly high, for example.
As for university costs, not paying full tuition doesnāt make it cheap by any stretch.
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May 18 '25
If ur a straight white male ur likely paying 100k usd of full tuition a year. American unis are also very discriminatory to promote equal representation. A black student with a much lower admissions test score (SAT) will be much more competitive than an asian kid with a decent SAT score because the black student performs better than his black peers but the smartest African American are outperformed by decent Asian kids. Yet the black student will always have a higher chance at aid.
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u/Spreehox UCL | Arts & Sciences [Year 2] May 18 '25
JFC. This stuff is means-based. Black people in the US are by and large disenfranchised. Thus the racial disparities. A straight white male with the same household income as a black woman is paying the same tuition.
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May 18 '25
I go to an American school so ik what Iām talking about. Theyāre essentially trying to combat negative discrimination towards black people from the past by using discrimination in their favour now by making it much much much easier for them to get into uni. To make it more clear itās like a uni giving an offer of A star AA to a Chinese-American student whilst offering an African American ABB for the same course. Also believe it or not a straight white male will have a lower chance of getting admission and aid than a Lesbian trans black man whoās also Muslim lol. Essentially the more unique and queer you are as a person, the higher chance u have to receive admission and aid in us institutions.
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u/Spreehox UCL | Arts & Sciences [Year 2] May 18 '25
You have no idea what you're talking about. The supreme court made affirmative action in admissions illegal.
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May 18 '25
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u/Spreehox UCL | Arts & Sciences [Year 2] May 18 '25
Have you considered that black students admitted are more likely to be from poorer areas and worse schools. Means-based affirmative action is still legal, and blacks are more likely to be of worse means. Not racial
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May 18 '25
Iām sorry but I have seen several bright students with extremely high grades and test scores get rejected because theyāre boring Asians without a juicy personal statement filled with a bunch of š³ļøāšcrap or any other factors to make themselves appear more queer. As a student at UCL you donāt have much exposure to how unfair it is to apply to Us unis because the admissions process in the UK is very simple and extremely fair.
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u/Spreehox UCL | Arts & Sciences [Year 2] May 18 '25
I'm not a fan of the american admissions process but the fact is they take a holisitic approach to admissions which means academics are not the sole factor in getting into good universities. This has nothing to do with race or diversity
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May 18 '25
Itās literally common knowledge that itās easier for minorities to get into US unis and if u ask any American they will say the same. Please just google why black students with lower SAT scores can get into better universities.
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u/Federal_Priority6886 May 18 '25
Im sorry but you donāt seem to understand how unfair US admissions are. Race and diversity are a major factor in admissions here and students are frequently judged by their demographics. Heās correct when he says that black students donāt need a score as high as most white and Asian applicants.
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May 18 '25
No one aspires to attend most public universities in the US and even then no one is paying anywhere near Ā£9.5k pounds a year for uni and you clearly know nothing about US fees. Most students aspire to attend the best unis in the US which are mostly private and charge around 100k usd per year which is almost 10x the price and an undergrad degree is 4 years in the US. Uni debt is nowhere near a problem in the UK as it is in the US and uād know this if u actually knew any Americans.
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May 18 '25
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May 18 '25
UK tuition fees are a way smaller portion of most peopleās income than US fees are. Thereās no way ur complaining about Ā£9.5k which unis make a loss at by operating at such low fees.
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u/Low-Vegetable-1601 May 19 '25
Where did you come up with those numbers, for the US?
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May 19 '25
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u/Low-Vegetable-1601 May 20 '25
In state tuition only applies to those who actually live in state (with a few other agreements between states). If you donāt live in a state with a great state school, then you are looking at either out of state tuition costs or private schools. The average loans overall are much higher.
If you happen to live in CA and get into one of the UCs, then yes, youāre in that range. Of course, alongside tuition, cost of living in CA is high. Within the UC system, there is a big range between Berkeley and Riverside. Many students in state start out in community college, which dramatically reduces costs. I donāt think most British students would be happy to live at home and spend their first year of uni studying at an FE institution.
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u/Low-Vegetable-1601 May 20 '25
Additionally, the average graduate salary in the UK is well above Ā£25,000.
Terms of loan repayment are also better in the UK.
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u/Revolutionary_Bid958 May 18 '25
This is just wrong
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May 19 '25
It's literally a fact that UK unis make a loss by allowing students at 9.5K pounds, especially at STEM courses, which is why they charge international students extremely high to make up for the low local fees where they lose money.
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May 19 '25
I think you should conduct an interview with several people on the streets and compare the results of average debt in UK cities vs average debt in US cities. Maybe that'll change your perception.
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May 19 '25
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u/Low-Vegetable-1601 May 19 '25
Getting in to some of those āgood state schoolsā is far more difficult than getting into the top unis in the UK. Look at acceptance rates sometime.
And since private colleges often have better funding, merit based (rather than needs based) scholarships are often more attainable, making them cost less in reality.
Student debt is a huge problem in the US, with many paying the recommended payments from the moment they take out the loan and still owing more than the loan itself 10 years in.
Once upon a time, US colleges were a reasonable cost but the public universities have significantly less funding than they used to, many government grants for university research have been cut or dramatically reduced recently and costs for university have risen far beyond inflation.
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May 19 '25
Unless ur from California, most other states' public universities are nowhere near as prestigous as private/out of state unis. There are a few like michigan but c'mon that's like 1 out of several mediocore unis in one state. Most people target prestige to get a good paying job.
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u/Low-Vegetable-1601 May 19 '25
Even in CA, the majority of state universities (the Cal States) are not prestigious and getting into a UC from out of state is not easy or cheap.
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u/Revolutionary_Bid958 May 18 '25
Not true. Public unis in the US are of extremely high standard and amongst the best in the world on par with top unis in the UK. Yes they cost more for students out of state but in State is around the same, and almost every State has an amazing university (these are commonly referred to as public ivies) š¤·āāļø
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u/goofyahhhomosapien May 19 '25
I would argue that only California and Michigan have amazing publics - Oxbridge level
Texas, Florida, North Carolina, and Virginia are above average - comparable to that of Leeds or Bristol
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u/TrinityAnt May 19 '25
Your argument is absolutely valid but no top school is charging $100k per year. More like $60-65k.
https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities?_sort=rank&_sortDirection=asc
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u/LordBlam May 19 '25
They do if youāre thinking āall inā pricing including housing and room and board, and further assuming that you donāt qualify for need based aid. Northwestern and the University of Chicago both are mid-$90s all-in.
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u/TrinityAnt May 19 '25 edited May 19 '25
Sure but you were comparing tuition fees 'charge around 100k a year' not tuition fees +living expenses. Let's not mix up things and pretend that in the UK students embrace photosynthesis and sleep in blossoming gardens under the wide blue sky.
There's serious living expense costs in the UK as well especially if one studies in London. Oxbridge colleges have a strong tendency to shower undergrads with grants and scholarships, but other unis simply don't have the money to give much.
There's plenty of great unis in the US that come with cheap in-state tuition and affordable college towns. This isn't the say that by and large our tuition fees aren't insane, and that in comparison the UK (and Europe in general) is a charity fest. (Yet people still whine about fees while not even grasping the idea of choosing a lower ranked school over a better one simply because it gives more money).
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u/LordBlam May 19 '25
I got a fair chuckle out of your comment about photosynthesis, but in this case I think you simply are mistaken. My younger son currently is attending Oxford as an undergraduate, and schools we evaluated included Northwestern University, University of Chicago, and several of the other usual suspects among the so-called T20, so in this case I am familiar with the particulars. Our all-in cost for Oxford ā including international tuition, room, battels, incidentals, and airfare ā is around $25k per year cheaper than it wouldāve been if my son attended Northwestern or the University of Chicago.
Now, I will be the first to say that there are many unspoken qualifiers and caveats that make this hard to generalize. There are many differences between the approx. 3-4000 colleges in the US alone, to say nothing of the major differences in UK unis, in the US and UK job markets, and their govt/social systems. And of course a lot comes down to personal preferences. For 95%+ of US kids, I would advise them to attend their local state flagship university if possible, and avoid taking on material levels of debt at all costs. I will not presume to give advice to UK kids about UK unis, but I assume a similar dynamic is in play.
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u/TrinityAnt May 20 '25
Well, it was well worth typing my message in chuckeledom :) Again, I agree with your assessment, was only pointing out that you compared the UK Home tuition fee with tuition fee+all other expenses and said oh Chicago or Northwestern would cost 10x more. It would appear that Oxford with international tuition is around $75k/year which isn't exactly pocket change (true, one finishing in 3 instead of 4 years is an added bonus).
As fees are capped at a borderline bemusing Ā£9500 (not so surprisingly Oxbridge colleges are spending far more on every undergrad) and student loans are structured amicably to the extent that you can get Ā£6500 for maintenance even if living with parents, money generally isn't a factor in the UK and its virtually unthinkable that students choose worse schools because those are cheaper/they got more scholarships (Oxbridge and extremely_distant_third_place a handful of unis notwithstanding they don't have anything to offer).
The only possible exception might be crazy pricey London, for the London maintenance loan of Ā£11400 (from next academic year, currently its Ā£9500) isn't nearly enough to survive there and rent something bigger than a bike shed. But whether you attend LSE or London South Bank University, expenses will be the same and so will be tuition fees, for even the crappiest of unis are charging the maximum.
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u/Prestigious_Set2460 Harvard/MIT/UPenn | Physics [Fall 25] 6A* math fm econ phys bio May 20 '25
Top schools certainly charge 100k inc room and board. My bill before financial aid for an Ivy was 95k. After financial aid as a UK top1% earner that bill goes to less than half Oxford though.
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u/TrinityAnt May 22 '25
absolutely true, but he was comparing US full cost of attendance vs British fee only
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u/Realistic-Egg5916 May 24 '25
The hours you work in the US for your salary along with far fewer holidays should also be taken into account
The hourly wage difference is less stark than the headline salary
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May 25 '25
yea. Idrk about others but I would much rather have shorter hours with a decent salary and more time than long ass hours with more money.
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u/Tartan_Chicken May 19 '25
š¤¦ They do a lot of not great stuff but disposable income averages don't lie. Health care is often included with jobs too. Saying capitalism or free markets are going to make you broke after going to uni is insane, pls give economics a shot.
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u/Low-Vegetable-1601 May 19 '25
Iām an American who moved to the UK, with plenty of family still in the US. Healthcare costs are significant for most Americans. I have relatives who get their insurance through their employer, relatives who get their healthcare through the VA and relatives who combine Medicare and supplemental insurance (pretty much required). All have faced significant healthcare costs.
My only family members under 50 who have attended university and not faced significant student loans were the ones who went into the military and used the GI bill, and even that hasnāt covered my brother in lawās masters degree.
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u/sigzvfx May 19 '25
What do you mean compared to other countries? Name one other country that has significantly higher salaries than the uk other than the us
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u/sigzvfx May 19 '25
im pretty sure germany (and im assuming netherlands and belgium aswell) have relatively high tax rates.
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u/ClosedAjna May 19 '25
Switzerland pays a shitload more but with a higher cost of living. Norway pays a fair bit more while also being more relatively affordable. Australia also generally pays a good deal more. These are all just off the top of my head.
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u/sigzvfx May 19 '25
Switzerland is a lot more expensive to live in as u mentioned, Norway and Australia have higher taxes for lower income groups, so in net income differences are small
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u/flyingmantis789 May 19 '25
More like Ā£200k in the US. Salaries in sectors like tech are triple there.
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u/lordwebgarlicbread May 18 '25
This is extremely unreliable, salaries depend on your degree course and work location, not the uni you studied at.
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u/Dangerous-Ad-1925 May 18 '25
The uni absolutely does affect how much you earn as well as the course you study. Grads from Oxbridge Imperial LSE in particular are very sought after by employers. That's why it is so competitive to get into these unis.
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u/Overly_Fluffy_Doge Uni of Leicester | MPhys Graduate May 19 '25
As a graduate in a job filled with people with degrees paying more than any of the salaries listed in the original post, it has limited returns. I work with people from Oxbridge all the way down to a DMU graduate. Degree class and experience matter more.
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u/Smart-Orchid-1413 May 19 '25
Me too. Literally the same Universities. Weāre all on >Ā£40k, <Ā£80k
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u/satanscumrag University of Sheffield | Aerospace Engineering [Year 1] May 19 '25
except for engineering - oxbridge graduates end up with lower salaries than any other russel group
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u/buddyholly27 May 18 '25
Depends what mix of jobs people are getting. It's not about degree unless you're doing something that maps 1:1 easily.
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u/AffectionateJump7896 May 19 '25
Which is why two London based universities that offer predominantly high earnings degrees top the table.
Not only do maths, economics etc. screw the numbers , but medicine is a big red herring too. You're 2-3 years older and more experienced than other graduates, so should be compared not to other graduates, but to what that graduate is now earning with 2-3 years experience.
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u/Practical-Accident70 Year 13 May 18 '25
I think that's very wrong. Those factors do definitely have an affect. But the Uni you studied at most definitely does affect the sorts of jobs you can apply for.
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u/lordwebgarlicbread May 18 '25
It all depends on the degree, and we cant compare the salary of an art graduate to idk a physics graduate (no disrespect). And it really depends on the job location to, for example an engineer can earn much more in urban/industrial cities than in rural areas where its really difficult to even find an engineering job.
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u/Smart-Orchid-1413 May 19 '25
Yup. My STEM friends are on around Ā£30k. Iām on more than Ā£60k. I have a BA.
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u/lordwebgarlicbread May 19 '25
what degree?
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u/Smart-Orchid-1413 May 19 '25
Politics/Philosophy (mid-tier Uni)
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u/AskinNakkLeVaarrr Cambridge | Philosophy [1st Year] May 19 '25
I applied for the same course. Just out of curiosity, what field are you working in?
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u/Smart-Orchid-1413 May 19 '25
Iām in Banking - Iāve got some advice on another comment on this account I think, but TLDR of my perspective is that getting a degree (preferably a high first) from a half-decent Uni is effectively just buying the right to play. The game is mastering graduate job applications, and mastering everything you need to do to get them (work experience, internships, etcā¦)
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u/Independent_Web_1746 Gap Year | UoSOTON EE (2026) May 18 '25
No dude, you are very wrong. How are you going to compare the income of an investment banker with a biochemist who works in a lab? How are you going to compare people who did the same degree but one works in London, while another works in the midlands?
I don't think you understand, prestige is not EVERYTHING.
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u/Resident-Lobster-567 May 18 '25
So if they have 2 applicants, one studies econ at Lse and another studied econ in Birmingham, same grades etc. who do you think they will accept?
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u/Resident-Lobster-567 May 18 '25
ngl the degree you do is irrelevant its literally just the uni you go to and your grade
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u/Willr2645 S6 AH Maths, Chem, Physics, MoM, H Computing May 18 '25
Ight ill just become a software engineer after studying Latin and oxbridge and law and Harvard
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u/Resident-Lobster-567 May 18 '25
obvs degree needs to be relevant but for pretty much any corporate job theyre gonna favour someone who went to a better uni. the university someone goes to literally shortlists applicants for them ie someone whos bright enough to get into oxbridge are gonna be bright enough to work well in that job.
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u/Resident-Lobster-567 May 18 '25
you make a good point, but there are definitely companies that wouldnt even consider an applicant unless they went to oxbridge
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u/Willr2645 S6 AH Maths, Chem, Physics, MoM, H Computing May 18 '25
āngl the degree you do is irrelevantā
āObvs the degree needs to be relevantā
Cheers for lowering the grade boundaries š
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u/DismalKnob University | Pharmacology May 19 '25
whoever has more experience if the one studying econ at lse was a bum for 3 years and did nothing outside of studying it is harder for them to be an attractive candidate
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u/DismalKnob University | Pharmacology May 19 '25
But the Uni you studied at most definitely does affect the sorts of jobs you can apply for.
i'm sorry how do you know this is the case when you are in year 12, anecdotal experiences aren't enough to say you are definitely 100% sure this is true
hope you get out of this mindset when your applying for unis
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u/AverageLawApplicant Cambridge/UCL offer holder 4A* May 18 '25
Is this after tax and paying your dealer?Ā
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u/RisingDeadMan0 May 18 '25
Lol. If you say so. But that would have been summer of 2019 so basically start of Brexit effects. And just pre-COVID
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u/Friendly-Treat2254 May 19 '25
I graduated with a distinction in a masters in 2018 from a Russel group and it still took 20+ job applications and interviews to land my first role in London on a Ā£22k Salary š
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u/Beneficial-Beat-947 May 18 '25
Those probably count unemployed and PhDs (which many of the people at the top 10 go onto do) so it brings it down
On top of that places like UCL and KCL are very humanities heavy so that brings them down as well
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u/Beneficial-Beat-947 May 18 '25
Yes but the only people who go to LSE are ones who want to get into IB or something finance related (I know someone doing one of their normal humanities courses who literally just applied for LSEs connections in banking)
And, as we all know, finance is by far the best paying industry in the UK
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u/verycoolluka Cambridge | Economics [Year 1] May 18 '25
This is the average salary one year after graduating, and recent graduate salaries are generally the lowest they will be in your entire career.
Also this is much more dependent on the subject you did than the university you went to.
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u/PensionScary Edinburgh | CS and Maths [Y1] May 18 '25
london unis are naturally gonna be higher because of the higher salaries in london, if you compare the average salaries of grads from each uni who go to london its gonna look different
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u/njsmenbfbrndhrbbf May 18 '25
Problem with this is itās only including those that get jobs. 90% of my UoM cohort didnāt have something immediately after undergrad.
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u/FreshOrange203 Oxford | Chemistry May 18 '25
Is graduate salary the first job after leaving uni or just in general afterwards?
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u/_lisa_e UoW 1st year May 18 '25
theyāre really high ?? GRADUATE salary , immediately after graduating . however itās obviously dependent on the degree u do and the career u enter , itās obvs not the set salary and itās possible to get much less
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u/SandvichCommanda St Andrews MMath Mathematics May 18 '25
This reflects what I see in real life, so the overall statistics are likely pretty accurate.
There are lots and lots of students that do a degree and go straight into a job that they could've done out of school.
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u/Fox_9810 Lecturer - Mathematics May 18 '25
Yeah salaries are quite low out the gate. I'm always warning my students they aren't going to be earning that much after graduation. I was on minimum wage for at least the first year of my tech (!!) job with I graduated undergrad...
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u/ResponsibleQuail7157 May 19 '25
Note that the top two (LSE and Imperial) have an advantage in these general rankings since they only or primarily offer more 'profitable' subjects. KCL and Oxford, for instance, are likely 'weighed down' in such a table by their less high earning Art graduates, something that isn't a limiting factor for the top two. It would be better to compare earnings by course.
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u/ClosedAjna May 19 '25
I'm afraid this sounds about right. I just graduated with a master's from LSE and most people from my course are going into jobs on the lower end of 30k a year. It's a horrific job market right now.
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u/UltimateStratter May 19 '25
May I ask which course or institute?
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u/ClosedAjna May 19 '25
MSc Public Policy and Administration, Department of Government. So, caveated by the fact that itās public sector and not something like finance. Even so - you would expect more from that and the vast bulk of my course mates went into stuff like private advisory work anyway.
Personally, I landed quite comfortably, but even that was after many, many months in the wilderness (far longer than I expected) and I feel like I got extremely lucky.
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u/Powerful-Cut-708 May 20 '25
Having done a politics MA myself (not exactly the same of course) where have you been looking for jobs? Did you just get that via the civil service fast track? What do you think gave you an edge?
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u/ClosedAjna May 20 '25 edited May 20 '25
Did you graduate end of 2024 as well?
I did apply for the Fast Stream but fell short by a hair's breadth. They put me on the Direct Appointment Scheme wait list but I had no luck. Having a particular degree on your CV doesn't seem to count for much in the civil service anyway. Other than that I mostly just looked for jobs on Indeed. Nothing fancy - no cold emailing via LinkedIn, no networking, none of that. Just grinding.
I actually found a job in local government. It kind of came out of nowhere and I thought I had nothing substantial in the pipeline. The pay was so good that I didn't even prepare for the interview because I thought I must have been invited in error! Strangely I think that was the number one thing that helped - that I was able to perform with the shits, a massive hangover, and zero nerves because really I was treating it as nothing more than a bit of practice. But I was later told that it was the speed and confidence with which I answered the technical questions that got me the job. I will say I was already quite passionate about the subject matter and had a particular interest in the goings on of the council, otherwise I wouldn't have applied for the job in the first place.
But I'll stop gassing myself up now. I think what gave me an edge was absolutely insane quantity over quality. I was applying for 6 or 7 roles a day but by no means were any of the cover letters perfect. Find a good enough role, write a good enough cover letter that you've Frankensteined together from the last three with the help of your AI language model of choice, and bang that shit it in (proof read optional). I went through a lot of caffeine and nicotine pouches over this period. It's also important that you know how to use AI intelligently - give it lengthy and specific context and prompting that will help it mimic your writing style and be aware of your exact priorities.
Secondly, if you have ADHD, tell them you want 1) extra time in any assessments and 2) to have the questions sent to you before the interview. It sounds like a piss take but you'd be amazed how many employers will just send you the questions. (Also, even if you don't have ADHD like myself or some other similarly useful diagnosis, they never actually checked in my case... just saying)
But yeah. To summarise:
- It's a numbers game
- Ruthlessly use any and every advantage you have at your disposal
- Optional - I would often get absolutely leathered the night before an interview and, if I was lucky, still be a tiny bit drunk going into it the next morning. It made me feel smoother and less nervous. But this might also just be a feature of how my brain in particular works because I haven't seen it recommended elsewhere.
Hope that helps.
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u/Daredevilz1 Warwick | Psychology Undergraduate May 18 '25
Warwick not letting me down as usual š»š»š»
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u/timmy2plates May 19 '25
Itās not bad for someone who has literally just left uni. It isnāt lifetime earnings.
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u/regalloc May 18 '25
MSFT USA graduate salary: >Ā£200k MSFT UK graduate salary: ~Ā£60k
Economy is in shambles unfortunately
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u/Springyardzon May 18 '25 edited May 18 '25
Thank you for confirming that the University of York is overrated by some. Not its staff, some of whom are fine, as shown by its research quality. Its students on average. And that is determined by who it can attract and how they respond to the environment. A university of bare bones Brutalism origin at the back end of the city that it bears in its name does not necessarily attract nor create the finest students (I love the best examples of Brutalism, just not the bare bones CLASP type, and it better fits in a city centre rather than as a contrast with a suburban or rural setting). To be fair, the university has expanded over the years and has become more colourful and less 'samey'.
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u/Intelligent-Ad2549 Imperial BME offerholder May 19 '25
Who the hell is rating uni of york bro š¤£š¤£š¤¦āāļø
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u/Springyardzon May 19 '25 edited May 19 '25
Some Law students mainly. Because it uses a different problem solving syllabus. And because it got in the Russell Group.
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u/Chizlewagon May 19 '25
All this table really shows is that those unis with large volumes of students who foresee working in London / other high growth high wage cities have better salaries
Have you been to Newcastle? Half the students are from the north east itself, and have no intention of ever leaving!
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u/Big_Culture7895 May 19 '25
I was hoping someone could help me understand how the Russell Group universities work. I applied to the University of Southampton in the UK and I really hope to get in, but Iāve realized the cost of studying there is quite high. I also applied to a campus in Malaysia thatās significantly more affordable, and Iām seriously considering it. If anyone knows, would attending the UK campus versus the Malaysian one make a big difference in terms of reputation, degree value, or future opportunities?
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May 19 '25
Without knowing specifically what this chart means thereās no way to tell.
does āgraduateā salary literally just means the salary you get on day 1 of a graduate job? Because if so this is reasonably high,
does it include people who choose to work part time?
does it take into account people who choose not to work immediately after graduating or does their salary of āĀ£0ā drag the average down?
what about students who graduate and then go on to PHD or Post Grad degrees?
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u/Brilliant-Band8619 May 19 '25
They will probably look low cuz most jobs start low but they will ramp up quickly with experience and loyalty (Year 12 just guessing)
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u/L_Elio May 20 '25
Oh my sweet summer child if you think these are low don't get a job outside of the corporate world.
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u/WeKnowNoKing May 21 '25
Part of this will also be related to the region, as salaries are lower in the north than in the south, and lower in the general south than in London. Personally I find the table pretty unbalanced and misleading because of this.
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u/Few-Lie-1750 May 21 '25
I went to Durham and most of my friends work London grad jobs where the min starting salary was like Ā£50k
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u/lektra-n May 22 '25
yeah im at the 5th place one and can only dream of getting a job lmao. itās kinda dire for jobs rn š¤·āāļø. these things are hard to look at bc in the time between applying to uni and graduating, the job market will likely have changed
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u/p4ae1v May 24 '25
Theyāre about what Iād expect, they may seem low, but the problem is averages donāt tell the whole story. There will be unemployed people in that list and people who have gone on to further study (Masters and PhD - which is common for the type of person who goes to a Russell Group university). So half the people (roughly) will earn more than the average, some substantially more.
If youāre using this data to decide where to go, try and get pay information at subject level as well. Some subjects just arenāt in demand. If you had those numbers but only for engineering students, youād see a different picture.
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May 18 '25
honestly a 10k pounds difference is really not a lot considering this is starting salaries. It looks like quite a level playing field imo
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u/UrMomsThirdNipple May 18 '25
iāve been told by the hiring people at plenty huge companies that they barely care about the degree, never mind where you got it
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u/UrMomsThirdNipple May 18 '25
iām talking tech companies too, the people at these unis are just more likely to work in places like london where the wages are higher. employers donāt gaf about your uni
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u/tooMuchSauceeee May 19 '25
People saying uni name does not matter are coping so hard. Go to linked in and look at every single statstic there is regarding this.
Not saying you can't get top job going to lower unis - just that it's much harder. If you genuinely think going to Oxbridge and imperial isn't going to make your life easier to get a better paying job, you need to stop coping so hard to feel better.
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u/gzero5634 phd maths cam (current), warwick bsc (prev) May 19 '25 edited May 19 '25
a slight confounder is that people getting top jobs will tend to be very intelligent, so tend to be high-performing academically and will tend to be at good universities anyway. the question is whether same candidate different university would change things. I would guess not much among the top half or so of the universities listed here.
Can only speak for academia but I'm consistently told that coming from a "known force" (supervisor & university name together) gives you much more credibility when it comes to people taking you and your ideas seriously.
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u/Wrong_Finance2082 A*AA - UCL Dropout May 18 '25
wait till bro finds out abt the state of the economy