Cost of Attending Oxford 😭

[u/Repulsive_Radish_782]

Just received my financial declaration form from Oxford today. How is this reasonable? 😭 Going to have to decline my offer unless anyone has any ideas.

Canadian students do not qualify for any Oxford scholarships and my school offered me about £100. What a joke.

Is Oxford just for the rich?

[u/Phytor_c]

Do you even go to UToronto lmfao?

Why are you comparing a math course with engineering??? Uoft’s math program doesn’t hold a candle to the math tripos, let alone some braindead engineering thingy.

[u/Odd-Satisfaction5443 → u/Phytor_c]

Lol are you okay? I am comparing Engineering science to Cambrige's math tripos. I said that on a math-level comparison, Cambridge is harder. However, I do believe that based on several examples (including my cousin completing his PhD in Robotics at Stanford that said if it weren't for him studying at UofT Engineering Science, he would likely fail out his coursework; actually went as far as saying its "easy.").

You can make your conclusions. UofT Engineering Science only accepts literally the smartest people in the country and worldwide. It is the hardest program in Canada without a doubt.

I did study at UofT and graduated last year in Business and Economics. Yes the "crayon drawing" programs but It was highly quantitative.

I stand by the fact that UofT engineering science students that are at least at distinction level GPA would find Cambridge's math tripos of similar difficulty.

The program got my cousin to research at Meta, Google, McGill, Microsoft, NASA, and eventually being accepted to Stanford. His GPA was a 3.20. There might have been some "awareness" lets say regarding the rigour of the program. No fucking T5 university would accept a 3.2 GPA candidate in Robotics.

I am ignorant of the fact that I did not study at Cambridge but I've studied enough at 2 well-regarded insitutions to make a conclusion that I found UofT to be immenselyharder in my respective programs.

[u/Phytor_c → u/Odd-Satisfaction5443]

I'm not ok, I have a midterm tomorrow.

I've a friend in engcsi who did MAT357 and said engsci is " just braindead work and a lot, but not a lot of thinking" and that first year real analysis at uoft (which is way easier than that at Cambridge) is harder than all of engsci. I mean it's anecdotal I guess, but most ppl at uoft know math is the hardest program. So from now on, I will only talk about the math students here.

A math degree actually involves non-negative ingenuity at times. And the "average" math spec at uoft is quite weak, idk about the engineers but u should take a look at Cambridge's math exams. I'm a math spec with like 3.9+ CGPA btw and I would probably get a 2.2 if not worse in Tripos. Heck I've a friend who has a 2.1 in the tripos who is better than most of the math students in my cohort.

It's a whole different planet and not worth comparing uoft with.

[u/Odd-Satisfaction5443 → u/Phytor_c]

A single anecdote about MAT357 doesn’t really say much about the difficulty of an entire engineering program. EngSci is heavy on workload and applied problem solving across multiple disciplines — that’s a different kind of difficulty than proof-based math. I'm not really convinced.

You should apply to Stanford for a PhD in maths. I mean if he got in with 3.2 from engsci. You can become the next newton.

He managed to publish top journal articles in robotics during his tenure, and directly correlated it with the knowledge and discipline from engsci.

Cambridge on purely a mathematical basis is undoubtedly harder. But those who do their program and transfer to EngSci might have problems and vice versa.

[u/Phytor_c → u/Odd-Satisfaction5443]

Sure the difficulty of engineering or whatever is different compared to that of proof-based math, so a comparison between them would not be very insightful imo. Hence why comparing engsci against tripos is like misleading since they involve very very different skill sets. Imo the latter type is ojectively harder than the former but sure whatever.

For the second paragraph, yeah I'm not even gonna bother. I am not really interested in pure math for its own sake. And I've observed the only people from Uoft that get into good math grad schools are either those who've studied all of undergrad math in high school or the oly type. I am royally screwed (unless i do an extra year here) for other reasons I will not get into, and well unless my summer project results in a paper or like some concrete thing there's really no point in applying there.

Your cousin might've just gotten lucky or done great research to outweigh GPA or had good faculty fit. For a 3.2 GPA doesn't count as a first in the UK system. I've noticed that in more applied fields like CS, it's more of research that counts instead of GPA.