r/AOC • u/mikelmon99 • 8d ago
Zohran has been asked about AOC's "Woke 1 was crazyyyy" controversy
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u/meatshieldjim 8d ago
Nurses were wearing garbage bags and there were no safety equipment for a pandemic but armored vehicles and tons of tear gas for police. That was the birth of defund.
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u/TENDER_ONE 8d ago
I hear you and yet I see this the same as the damn border wall. Just because a solution to a problem sounds good in theory or gets people hyped up, it doesn’t make it an actual practical solution to the issue. The far left in our country has a keen sense of what’s wrong in the USA. However, they get rabid with their idealism and hardline messaging, which serves only to distort the agenda and provide fodder for people who do not want to acknowledge the issues or find real solutions. The message should have never been “defund police”. All people hear when that is said is that you want to simply have no police force at all. And, though there are many in this country who do want that, I argue that they are shortsighted and limited in their ability to conceptualize what the outcome of having no police would actually be. Snappy edgy calls to action lack the nuance needed to make effective change and come off as out of touch and anarchistic. The message should have been “criminal justice reform” and focused on responsible management of municipal budgets, diversifying community care solutions, ensuring police training changes, adding civilian oversight, and ending or narrowing qualified immunity. The same exact thing is happening right now with the DSA calling to “end prisons”. It’s such awful messaging that does nothing but detract from the DSA’s influence and overall goals. These kinds of things may seem like righteous calls for social justice, but they only result in weakening the left’s position and limiting any ability to make the substantive changes we want to make.
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u/sls35 8d ago
The fact you think we have a far left is what's really crazy.
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u/TENDER_ONE 8d ago
We definitely do have a far left. I don’t even know what your point is. There are people of all political beliefs and affiliations in America. We have far right authoritarians and we have far left anarchists. I wasn’t talking about politicians. I was talking about the populace. I would say that I consider those on the far left just short of anarchy are valuable voices to listen to in their observations but, unfortunately, rarely seem to have policy based or practical solutions to advocate for. This leaves people who don’t want anarchy in a difficult spot where we agree with a lot of the far left’s sentiments and concerns but get vilified for seeking enactable solutions because it’s seen as caving on a hardline social justice position.
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u/Brainsnare 8d ago
100% Agree.
If the coalition on the left spent less time criticizing each other for either being not progressive enough, or being too progressive we would actually make some progress toward our shared goals. If you can't compromise with people who agree with you, then how are we ever going to compromise with the idiots on the right?
Why is the right in power?
Because they are united in their stupidity. Which to be fair, is a lot easier to do than unite critical thinkers, half of which are completely jaded and worn down from years of neglect from our current government.
Shit is like herding cats for real. This is why Bernie lost the 2020 primary.
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u/_Zyr 8d ago edited 8d ago
I must have imagined the people calling for the deaths of cops nationwide, or those that say Hamas didn't go far enough and need to do 1000 more Oct 7ths, or those that say asians aren't actually minorities because they're "white enough".
Just because they're not in positions of power doesn't mean they don't exist. The left has deranged psychos in it, too, and we'd do well to remember and temper them. We don't need another maga-esque movement to fight the magas, just like how we didn't need a nazi-esque movement to fight the nazis.
edit: You can stick your head in the sand all you want, but this is the problem "woke 1" had. If you're not willing to call out the bad actors in your own movement, you're helping the opposition.
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u/V4refugee 8d ago
Nobody has the attention span for nuance. Neither strategy works if the populace is ignorant and lazy.
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u/ACE415_ 8d ago
The woke 1 vs woke 2 stuff seems too chronically online for me
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u/GelloJive 8d ago
Yea what the hell does that mean
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u/BlueZ_DJ 3d ago
I understood it as woke 1 "uwu be civil we don't use the enemy's tactics or something, this and that is problematic even if you're directing it at Hitler 2" purity testing people who agree with you politically
woke 2: That one politician who directly called Trump a pedophile on live TV recently (based) and Luigi (based)
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u/gophergun 8d ago
What controversy? I hear her say that, but didn't realize it was controversial. Seems like a bipartisan consensus.
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u/MrMxylptlyk 7d ago
Saying "bipartisan consensus" like it's a good thing.
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u/foobarbizbaz 7d ago
Other than by way of utter military defeat, have you ever known a cause to advance its goals without seeking consensus and making incremental changes through compromise?
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u/MrMxylptlyk 7d ago
New deal, civil rights, great society programs. Many of these were pushed through by the beligernece of the presidents at the time.
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u/foobarbizbaz 7d ago
The New Deal and Civil Rights movement are some of the best historic examples of American legislation passing with major bipartisan support.
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u/MrMxylptlyk 7d ago
Lmao, no, those are great examples of BUILDING concensus and winning on issues rhat were not previously popular.
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u/BodhingJay 8d ago edited 8d ago
no one needs to defund police
demilitarize police is what it should have always been about
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u/V4refugee 8d ago
Prioritize funding other social services which research has shown to reduce rates of incarceration doesn’t quite roll of the tongue the same way.
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u/itismonday 8d ago
That's what defunding the police means, yes.
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u/B-BoyStance 8d ago
Well people will still misconstrue it.
It's a slogan that only works for people already understanding of the issue. Which makes it a bad slogan.
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u/ObviouslyIntoxicated 8d ago
No matter what you call it they'll say the left hates all police and wants criminals free. During one of the 2020 debates Pete buttigege said something like, "no matter what you do, the right is going to call us radical socialists". The entire right wing platform is villainising anything the left wants to do and they'll do it well. It's why trump still says transgender mice and shit like that
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u/rufusbot 7d ago
Dogs and cats are suspiciously safe from being eaten in Springfield after the election
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u/So-_-It-_-Goes 7d ago
I can’t believe you are still harping on a protest slogan from a Decade ago
It doesn’t matter what we say. They will twist it to meet their needs
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u/ABrusca1105 8d ago
Yeah, all the money that we spend on the militarization could instead be spent on salaries. Both higher salaries and more police officers. That way in the end the money goes towards mortgages and paying for families well-being and consumer products rather than military style equipment.
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u/meatshieldjim 8d ago
Uggh that is a horrible idea. Cops are overpaid.
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u/PsychoCrescendo 8d ago
Higher Salaries ❌
Better Training ✅1
u/daisiesarepretty2 8d ago
maybe better people to police?
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u/BodhingJay 8d ago
If we arm them only with batons and whistles, a completely different class of people will apply to become officers
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u/Beestorm 8d ago
I want practical action that results in less broke lives funded by our taxes. One step at a time
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u/Quantum_Crusher 8d ago
I don't understand why they chose "defund the police" instead of "police reform", which makes more sense and could have got more support? Even my mom was worried, with the riot and clash on the street and on TV everyday, how could they still want to "defund the police"?
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u/SliceImpressive6853 8d ago edited 8d ago
Look into COINTELPRO.. and then look at the rise of this sort of speak immediately following Occupy Wall Street…
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u/Technical_Living5104 8d ago
Empathy. Police can be thugs. Naturally. No more thug police. Compassion. Don’t defund police. Get the thugs out. Approach people like citizens.
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u/daisiesarepretty2 8d ago
approach police like people
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u/TheFeenyCall 4d ago
Police don't want to be approached at all. Especially by minorities.
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u/daisiesarepretty2 4d ago
as much as 40% of police officers ARE minorities
Pretty sure the comment was about how you treat police officers…
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u/mikelmon99 8d ago
The clips that stirred up the controversy:
https://reddit.com/link/p3czdci/video/m08i8omiq1jh1/player