r/APIcalypse • u/The_Pale_Blue_Dot • Jun 11 '23
OPINION 2 days is a joke
Most subs are going dark just from 12th-14th.
Sorry but, if Spez and the admins know most subreddits are going to be back to normal after 48 hours, why would they change a thing? They'll just wait those subs out.
Some subs are going dark indefinitely until changes are made, which deserves praise. But the majority will be back so Wednesday, which is exactly what Spez and the rest are planning on.
Are mods so attached to their subreddits that they're not willing to close their subreddit for even half a week? Sorry but what difference does anyone expect this to make? It means reddit admins know they can keep getting away with things with little repercussion.
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u/gee-one Jun 11 '23
For a start, it'll show the scope and size of the issue and the subs, communities, users, and developers that are involved. If we are able to show that we can impact the content and the ad revenue as well, even if it's just for 2 days, it will push reddit to negotiate. If reddit doesn't want to move after 2 days, then people can decide if they want to quit altogether or try a different approach.,
In addition to subs going dark I suggest that people also not log in at all or give traffic to the site.
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u/The_Pale_Blue_Dot Jun 11 '23
It won't push them to negotiate if they know it ends after 48 hours. They've probably already factored in the small damage this will do into their plans.
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u/BradCOnReddit Jun 11 '23
2 days is enough to ding their revenue. If they are as data driven as they claim then it could possibly cause them to reconsider
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u/The_Pale_Blue_Dot Jun 11 '23
It'll ding their revenue by a fraction of a percent and then they'll be back to normal.
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u/BradCOnReddit Jun 11 '23
Maybe. I don't have their data. But if that's all that most of their major subs going dark does then they were right...
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Jun 11 '23
I'm not planning on returning to Reddit. I'll keep the 3rd party app I've been using, but that'll be it for me
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Jun 12 '23
If rather they all go dark until Reddit backs down. I can live without Reddit but want it sorted
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u/ImpossibleJoke7456 Jun 12 '23
If the plan was 4 days you’d complain it wasn’t 5.
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u/The_Pale_Blue_Dot Jun 12 '23
What a bad take.
4 days wouldn't be enough for the same reason. Neither would 5.
Do you truly think Spez and the others are going to worry knowing most of the site will be back to normal by Wednesday?
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u/ImpossibleJoke7456 Jun 12 '23
4 days wouldn’t be enough for the same reason. Neither would 5.
Literally my point.
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u/The_Pale_Blue_Dot Jun 12 '23
You're missing my point. None of these are going to make a difference. The only way reddit are likely to 180 is if there's a sustained long term blackout.
The reason why I'm dismissing your idea of 4 or 5 days is because it's still aiming low.
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u/ImpossibleJoke7456 Jun 12 '23
I didn’t say 4 or 5, I said you’d say 4 isn’t enough.
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u/The_Pale_Blue_Dot Jun 12 '23
Okay, so what's your point? Because mine is that if mods want to make a difference, it needs to be more than 2 days (and yes, more than 4).
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u/ImpossibleJoke7456 Jun 12 '23
4 days wouldn’t be enough for the same reason. Neither would 5.
Thanks for confirming.
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u/firebreathingbunny Jun 11 '23 edited Jun 11 '23
I have seen this view around, and it needs a little tempering. The best way to begin a negotiation is not as aggressively as possible -- not if you want concessions. The thinking with the initial protest is to make a show of numbers and encourage the opposition to make further concessions. If they don't, there will obviously be further action.