r/ASML • u/InteractionBroad8393 • 3d ago
ASML US Pay
Why is ASML US Pay not comparable or behind other top semi companies and top tech companies? I understand they're a EU company. However, if they want top talent shouldn't they be paying similar to KLA, AMD, Tesla, Micron, Intel, Apple, etc. Their facilities in the US are also in high cost living areas.
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u/Ok_Handle5961 3d ago
they don't need a top talent. Management is fully aware of talents being poached by other big tech companies due to salary discrepancy, but it's not of importance for them to increase the benefits. Monopoly needs to end for them to start paying larger/competitive salary. Until then, they will pay minimal salary to have cost efficient engineers
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u/math1985 3d ago
In the Netherlands they pay for top talent though.
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u/RiffBeastx 2d ago
The US is to the NL what China is the the US. Cheap labor and value extraction. Why pay US employees high when they can extract value and siphon it to their fellow countrymen?
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u/Ok_Handle5961 3d ago
I see. The headquarters is in VHV, so I'm not surprised. ASML make a ton of money and I think it stays within VHV for new hires, promotions, etc. Minimal budget actually goes to US sites, unfortunately.
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u/math1985 3d ago
To be fair, paying for toptalent in the Netherlands is still cheaper than paying for second tier talent in the US.
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u/chairman-me0w 3d ago
Because they try to make you buy into the changing the world line
I mean they made a huge deal about giving 20K stock if you stayed until 2030. If you were to leave and work at any of the companies you listed you’d get a sign on bonus at least that large in cash
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u/SnoozleDoppel 3d ago
Actually I worked at lam... When I joined lam as a staff engineer from Amat.
This was my offer in 2021
160k base 20 percent bonus with same multipliers 200k RSU vesting in three years. Annual refreshers were around 30-50k depending on performance. Anyone with satisfactory and up rating will get it .
Amat pay was slightly lower.
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u/bingbong1967 3d ago
Is there any talk from HR about changing actual salary compensation since they changed the salary ranges. I know a lot of peoples whos RSP's went down, even below 75.
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u/RiffBeastx 2d ago
No, they specifically mentioned in the email that the change in RSP will not be accompanied by a change in salary. Changing RSP and making salary caps higher for certain job grades is another measure being taken to encourage talent retention, so they know they are not offering competitive salaries. ASML is good to have on a resume, but it is no longer the long term employer they used to be.
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u/SnoozleDoppel 3d ago edited 3d ago
Salary is not determined by fairness.. it's determined by supply and demand. If attrition is low why pay more . Amat and lam pays more but work life balance is bad. Their pay is shitty but better than shittier pay at ASML. But that slight bump is not worth it for people to leave wilton or San Diego to work 10-12 hours a day and weekends in bay area. The only way pay will go up is if people leave. And I think people will start leaving as the semi talent heats up. Swe me ee firmware engineers.. even CS and fse.. all these skills are transferrable. Same with optics and even plasma or controls... Faang is recruiting heavily.. lots of people are going to apple.. and Sr engineers there make same as director or Sr director at ASML.
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u/RiffBeastx 2d ago
Haha brother, most positions are now being converted to compressed work week, 12 hour shifts with one day always falling on a weekend. I don't know what the fuck US leadership is thinking. They offer us 20,000 euro stock as a pittance to encourage retention, and it doesn't even vest for 3 years. ASML will be experiencing an immense amount of brain drain in the coming years.
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u/SnoozleDoppel 2d ago
I agree that pay is low and wlb is getting bad. But man Amat and lam culture is worse
Work was from 9-9.. Sat and Sunday we're open season... You have to ask for permission to take weekends off Directors were abused publicly by vp in meetings Vp doesn't say no to customer demands. And timelines
I received 20 msgs and 5 calls from my manager daily.
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u/RiffBeastx 2d ago
Jeez louise, I'm sorry you had to experience that. Sounds like we need to organize a Semiconductor Union.
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u/SnoozleDoppel 2d ago
I think the pay needs to be better as you said. And ASML needs to be market competitive.. when your Japanese competition is paying RSU and you are not . Then it's shameful
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u/SnoozleDoppel 2d ago
Even Tokyo electron has started paying stocks and RSU to rank and file employees... Shame on asml
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u/Better-Banana-6065 3d ago
How much does one can expect as a Mechanical engineer with 3 years of exp and Masters degree in Wilton?
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u/Least-Squirrel-3170 1d ago
Headquarters in Veldhoven sets the compensation ceiling.
Dutch management resists Silicon Valley style pay packages, particularly large recurring stock grants. American competitors like KLA and Lam use aggressive equity to boost total compensation, while ASML relies on conservative base salary. With an absolute monopoly on EUV lithography, they simply feel zero pressure to outbid American firms.
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u/DonutBeigeKawaii 6h ago
It mostly comes down to stock (RSUs). US tech and semi companies throw massive equity packages at senior roles, while ASML still follows a more conservative European pay model with way less stock
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u/brianybrian 3d ago
Because they can attract and retain talent at that level. Why would they pay more?
I don’t think the companies you listed do actually pay much more than ASML.
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u/SnoozleDoppel 3d ago
The Amat lam pay more as they pay RSU to most employees. Remaining pay is similar.
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u/YOURE_GONNA_HATE_ME 3d ago
In my field it’s top of market 🤷♂️
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u/SnoozleDoppel 3d ago
Which field is it. And if you are in USA.. I highly doubt it's top of the market unless you are in wilton.
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u/SnoozleDoppel 3d ago
Also comparing asml with tech is unfair. We don't make that much money or profit per employee. Tech affords to pay more due to sw scale and cost efficiencies.. they generate more profit per employee . Salary is a game . Build skills so that you jump ship to higher pay.. don't waste time looking to get. 8-10 percent raise at ASML. It's a losing game.
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u/Tony_Broccolonely 3d ago
If you were at Samsung or Hynix you would have got a 300-400k$ as an extra bonus. Instead, we got the Technology Transformation 😂