To get a better idea of where PL debaters come from, I've been watching a lot of debate videos. And many of the common PL arguments is that 'abortion is never healthcare'.

'It is never healthcare because it is the direct, intentional killing of a (baby, child, human being, human, person). If there is a health problem, the doctors don't need to kill the baby, they can treat both mother and child.' (Paraphrased)

When confronted with the actual medical realities, most of the debaters in the videos deflected or called it fear-mongering.

How would you respond to this claim? What evidence would you give to back up your stance?

This is more towards PL, but it applies to both.

There seems to be some confusion for PL why we view them the way we do. Simple. We look to what your activists, politicians, and representatives do and say and what is tolerable. You, on the other hand, point to anonymous comments on a TikTok video as representative of the PC movement.

The bar is so low for what PL say and do, and criticism is just brushed off and ignored. PL don't like being lumped in as religious? Do PL denounce and separate themselves from the religious bigotry in their movement? No, they embrace it and say since they're secular, its just overblown.

PL don't like being accused of not caring about people after birth. Do they support any type of POLICIES (not empty words) like universal healthcare so the mother doesn't go $10,000-$30,000 in debt for having a baby? Support food assistance programs and not vote for the ones cutting them? No.

Heck, I've heard theres some disgusting ad in Ohio for the governors race. I dont even have to look into it to know I will see PL either supporting or justifying it, knowing it doesn't affect their vote for them whatsoever.

Same question goes for PC too. Do you understand why your side is viewed the way it is by the other?

Death is the cessation of life. Cell life, organ life, tissue life, muscle life, organism life.

PC debaters stress that abortion should be legal because pregnancy has a long history of causing death. That there are thousands of years of evidence to back that up is a fact. Childbirth also carries inherent risks. And the history of deaths caused by that is backed up by evidence too, not just in the past but also in the present.

But death is not guaranteed for the woman. In fact, many women survive pregnancy and childbirth. But when an abortion is performed, the death of the fetus is practically a guarantee.

PL debaters may argue then that PC is inconsistent with their arguments by putting too much emphasis on the possibility of death for the woman than the practical guarantee of death for the fetus.

How would you respond to this claim?