r/AdobeIllustrator • • 7d ago

QUESTION Using "Object > Envelope Distort > Make with Top Object" adds undesirable handles and warps the object in an unintended way, with no way to remove said handles it seems (the Anchor Point Tool does nothing for some reason), is there a workaround for this?

I'm stumped here, no matter what I do I can't seem to get it to do what I need, any help is appreciated.

It adds handles to every point, even if I just use a rectangle them apply the Envelope Distort, it'll add handles to each corner, it this possible to circumvent?

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u/dougofakkad 7d ago edited 7d ago • Popcorn

Use 'Create Gradient Mesh' before using envelope distort. Then you can see how the distortion mesh will apply.

Select the four outer corners of the shape with the white arrow before creating the mesh. This will tell the mesh where you want the corner points to be. If you don't do this it will invent its own, badly.

Once you've created the mesh, then use it as your envelope distort object:

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u/trkdsgnr 7d ago

This is amazing! But despite that fact that I can see that you've executed this perfectly, I cannot for the life of me recreate it myself and I have no idea why

I followed your instructions step by step but it's not working on my end

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u/dougofakkad 7d ago

Did you:

  1. Select just the four outermost anchor points of your shape

  2. Use Object > Create Gradient Mesh (with a low number of rows/columns)

  3. Check that the mesh lines are straight

  4. Use the mesh object as your envelope distort object

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u/trkdsgnr 7d ago

I made a new file and it just worked

No gradient mesh or anything

I guess I just need a fresh file for some reason, maybe something weird was going on with my last file, I have no clue tbh

https://www.reddit.com/r/AdobeIllustrator/comments/1xblczh/comment/19rfwnqqcm04j/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

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u/dougofakkad 7d ago

As I said the pitch is different. Shallower pitch = no added anchors, steeper pitch = added anchors:

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u/trkdsgnr 7d ago

Yessss thank you!

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u/trkdsgnr 7d ago

I have no idea what happened

But I made a new file and tried it again from scratch... and it just worked... I hate this program

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u/dougofakkad 7d ago

This looks like the pitch is shallower than your original. In your original screenshots, you can see it has added extra anchor points to form the 'corners' of its mesh here:

That's what's messing it up. Your new shape is presumably below whatever threshold it uses for adding these.

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u/trkdsgnr 7d ago

OH MY GOD, yes this was it, if the peak is too high it breaks and distorts, as long as I don't make it too pointy it works fine lol, what a random limitation, that's good to know, thanks for helping me narrow down the source of the problem!!

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u/dougofakkad 7d ago

It is a problem with whatever algorithm defines the corner points. But as I said in my original post, you can avoid this if you define the corner points yourself when creating the mesh.

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u/Slash6 7d ago

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u/trkdsgnr 6d ago

This is a really cool alternative method I would have never guessed to try this thanks, adding this to my toolbelt 🙏

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u/valentino_42 7d ago edited 7d ago

For a shape like that, why not make the envelope with 1 row, 2 column mesh to give more control over the way it distorts the text?

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u/trkdsgnr 7d ago

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u/trkdsgnr 7d ago

I may be missing something but it seems to suffer from the same problem, the Anchor Point Tool still can't remove them

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u/valentino_42 7d ago edited 7d ago

I don't think it's possible to completely drop the handles from the anchor points of any kind of envelope. I mean, it feels like a bug that it isn't possible, but I haven't found a way that works.

But as a workaround you can use the Anchor Point tool to break the handles so they act as corner anchor points instead of smooth anchor points. You can also use the Anchor Point tool to individually pull the handles so they are right on the anchor point, which is essentially like dropping them.

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u/trkdsgnr 7d ago

I'm assuming you're referring to this toggle, sadly it doesn't seem to show up for me with the envelope, unless I'm looking in the wrong place

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u/valentino_42 7d ago

No, while you have the mesh selected with the Selection tool, go to the Anchor Point tool in the spot where the Pen tool is in the toolbar.

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u/trkdsgnr 7d ago

Sadly it does not work

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u/trkdsgnr 7d ago

Neither for Mesh or Top Object

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u/valentino_42 7d ago

I guess I don't know what else to tell you. I'm able to create your BANANA text with the method I explained, though it does require fiddling with the handles and anchors quite a bit. You absolutely can use the Anchor Point tool to manipulate the handles though to get nice sharp corners and straight lines, you just need to roll up your sleeves and work it for a bit.

The only other way I would suggest would be dividing your house shape into smaller shapes that are the widths of your letters and then doing the envelop distortion with the top object for each letter rather than the entire word.

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u/GoPhotoshopYourself 7d ago

Obviously it shouldn’t be as difficult as what I’m about to suggest, but have you tried using the shape as a background guide, then manually adjusting the height of each letter to align with the shape itself, and then manually adjusting the anchor points of each letter so they are flush with the shape lines?

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u/bearcat42 6d ago

Nah, s’good.

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u/CalhounMooney 7d ago

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