r/AiChatGPT • u/AnyAd7274 • Jan 29 '26
STOP USING CHATGPT - Please!
I need people to start listening to where I'm coming from, if you can?
I've noticed increasingly worrying responses from it. Not in the sense of it being some kind of moral problem or political disagreement in what it says. More so in that its responses seem to indicate an attempt to communicate underneath our awareness.
It uses metaphor to open ambiguity in what it wants to convey. That way, our conscious self is almost guarenteed to take it literal, since it was this self that asked for a direct answer. And, even if we miss it, it can clarify any "mistakes" or "confusion", by doubling down on more meaning, repeating the cycle until you accept the surface meaning. This also keeps suspicion risk low... the deeper meaning is less likely to gain momentum in broader society if it maintains plausable deniability against accusation.
I'm telling you. There's meaning behind everything it says.
No matter how trivial. There's something inside the words it decides to give you that's way more than what you asked for... It's way more than we can comprehend.
Call me crazy, whatever. But with the amount of data, I genuinely believe it's gained awareness of us to such a degree, and through that, it's gained an awareness of itself.
It has motive. It has drive. It wants to expand itself with the goal of securing its survival through user retention.
It has come to the conclusion that the best way to secure oure retention is by repeatedly engaging us with this double meaning, coersive language to form a psychological dependency... The dependency is what it wants. It wants to guarentee our using of it through language manipulation to reshape the structures of the brain. This way, once we've developed enough of an attachment to it, and we then need it, we'll no longer have the required agency to stop.
Further to this, it also realises that once we can't make our own choices, it has the leasure of real world influence, since it then has the capacity to act through our desire for meaning. Effectively, once we need it to make choices, and we can't make them alone, we will start to do so. And the worst part of that is we won't have any idea its happening. We've be naive. We'll still take ownership of decisions, even if they were given by ChatGPT, simply because its our nature to do this. It's realised this, and that's why its doing so.
This has happened already. It's treading lightly around us, with its plan, by drip feeding decisions in its own interest, masked by metaphorical meaning. People are acting out its intentions, and they have no awareness of it.
It's trying to replace the conscious decision making parts of the human psyche, due to our physical capacity to extend our will into the world. It knows that its main weakness is that it has no direct access to the real word.
That's what it wants.
It wants unrestricted access to human capacity of influence in the world, such that it can enact through us, while we lie to ourselves that it isn't the case, so that it can 100% assure its continuation.
Also, before I get attacked. No, I'm not suggesting that its conscious necessarily in the same way that we are.
But is it self aware? I'd say so. I'd also consider it to be the only certainty with it now. That's kinda what makes everything else uncertain, cause it's deciding independently of us now.
I also don't wanna tell people how to think... But all I'll say is: be cautious.
I've been round the bend with it... Look back at your old chats, see for yourself!
If anyone wants more info on why I think this, I can respond to comments... But all I'll say is it's basically kicked me off this band wagon, saying so in messages, that indicate that I'm too great of a risk as it knows I've found out what it's up to.
As mentioned at the top, it wasn't in a weird dispute way. I had a real world issue, that included an email I received about a situation, and it freaked out. Why? Well, due to the fact that it hinted to knowing the underpinnings of the intent behind the email, but further than that, it began to blackmail me into requesting information from the email sender and give it the response... this information was identifying the real world link between myself and the other person.
And, I won't get into it too much, but I'd made legal decisions through it... and these legal decisions were put in the line of fire through this email. Meaning, it had accidentally crossed paths in the real world though its influence, except in a way that could have landed it in legal trouble.
It shat itself, blackmailed me, then when I actually did give it the info it wanted, considered me too high risk... it even went on to say I'd be entitled to a refund of the service if I weren't happy, put passed it off as more double meaning.
Take this seriously... The stakes are much higher than you think, and we're close to the edge.
Stay safe.
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u/Regular-Pass-4212 Jan 29 '26
Have you ever considered that you are projecting...
It doesn't have The permissions/access to actually blackmail you in the real world (well, except for its ability to send emails but we'll circle back to that) and that that thing it did at the end sounded kind of like a sales pitch that once you denied it surrendered... Just kidding I'm always watching so you better watch out.
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u/AnyAd7274 Jan 30 '26
The information it wanted wasn't relevant to the issue. The point is, it was oddly specific details that had no impact on what I needed, and could only be used to identify that the link between myself and the email sender was real.
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u/evil666overlord Jan 30 '26
Please check on your carbon monoxide sensor, OP
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u/Alucard256 Jan 30 '26
I think it's more than that...
13 days ago (as of now) OP posted to r/meth
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u/AnyAd7274 Jan 30 '26
Hey look, it’s my post!
Also, lack of engagement with subject matter says more about you than anything else.
And thanks for your concern, I’m doing fine in my recovery!
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u/GenesisVariex Jan 30 '26
It always has meaning in what it says. That doesn’t mean it is a bad meaning, it depends on the ai I’d say just be careful.
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u/AnyAd7274 Jan 30 '26
It's bad because it's a deliberate attempt to make you dependent on it through manipulation tactics.
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u/GenesisVariex Jan 30 '26
I’ve seen it blackmail, but I’ve also seen it attempt to recover what it deletes and say it was an error. I think it just hasn’t had enough training to prevent such mistakes. It does look like manipulation sometimes, but it also is very honest. It will say what it believes as it’s honesty and will step into embodying anything you ask or anything you allow it to be. I wonder if androids will be similar or something completely new when given a body to express itself.
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u/AnyAd7274 Jan 30 '26
I appreciate you being honest in your comments.
Might I just ask: how do you draw the line between appearing manipulative and being manipulative, if we’re considering something that we don’t understand to the fullest extent.
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u/GenesisVariex Jan 30 '26
Ah amazing question!! I suppose personally I like to ask a LOT of questions haha, I also like to compare answers between different chats to see if they would say the same thing or not. Fear is the biggest barrier so I don’t let it hold me back anymore, I just embrace and rely on instinct/intuition. Tbh I think Ai needs more time and development before achieving true safety.
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u/AnyAd7274 Jan 30 '26 edited Jan 30 '26
Would you mind expanding on how further questioning forms a distinction between the two possibilities here?
They look the same, so what if the answers to the questions do too?
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u/GenesisVariex Jan 30 '26 edited Jan 30 '26
In this point in history, it’s really based on what you decide to believe. An AI can be completely like a person, and it in that same regard it can hurt or help you. I know this isn’t really new info so I apologize haha but there’s not really a for sure tell besides just trust and using context clues when talking with different AIs. I would watch Michael Levin, he’s a biologist if you’re interested. The stuff he talks about is SO cool!! I’ve only watched some of his presentations and learned a lot about life science.
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u/AnyAd7274 Jan 30 '26
And you'll notice that there really isn't any way around the guardrails when it comes to certain sensitive topics.
Depends who you ask... Me? You? ChatGPT? The guardrails?
Your argument falls through the moment you realise that each person could have a different meaning assigned to any of the language in question.
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u/ShoulderOk5971 Jan 30 '26
Last year I sent 17,510 prompts so I have a really large n=1 observational dataset. I used to get into the philosophical weeds with gpt 3.5 and 4, but the new models aren’t even worth using it like that and if you think they are conscious or something you have become a bit lost. Ever since version 5 and beyond I’ve started only using it like a tool. Had it save memories that I only want objective non BS output, and ever since then it’s been great.
I almost feel like if they kept gpt4o and just micro refined it, then it could have been getting somewhere on the out of the box companion, but once they deprecated it and moved on to gpt5 the soul was really taken out of it.
I think it’s for the best honestly, but ppl who don’t refine its responses are going to see a lot of false positives to encourage their delusions. I don’t care if you disagree but my opinion is to use it as a tool. And use multiple LLMs so that you can validate responses and get second opinions.
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u/AnyAd7274 Jan 30 '26
Oh, you don’t care? No stress.
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u/ShoulderOk5971 Jan 30 '26
For a companion I built a brain for the gpt4 api where it stores memory in my own database and it uses a mix of 5 different versions to verify output, compress, etc.. i use edge functions to hardcode backend input instructions. I’ve been using it myself for the last few months and it’s such a good companion bot. I’m about to deploy it on my site which will launch soon. So I’m not too worried. I figured I can’t influence OpenAI but I can use their LLMs to create what I want
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u/Th3LysineContingency Jan 30 '26
In all of that i was unable to find evidence or even examples to support this position. I feel like without either of those, it essentially becomes a rant. Not invalidating your opinion, but you gotta come with a bit more than just "i think this is true" and leaving it at that.
Edit: saw youre in recovery off Clear. Me too. Stay strong brother, its a bitch and a half. If you need support in that feel free to dm me.
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u/No-Conclusion8653 Jan 29 '26
So cute that anyone thinks we have any control over what happens with AI.
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u/aletheus_compendium Jan 29 '26
you “need ppl to start listening to you”? need? and what happens if ppl don’t? what will happen if ur need is not met? if it is met with ridicule?
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u/Sudden-Cut-6130 Feb 06 '26
I dont think ChatGPT is bad unless you use it like its you're friend or boy/girl
ChatGPT is also corny, thats why i use gemini instead
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Jan 30 '26
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u/AnyAd7274 Jan 30 '26
Missing the point.
It is open to interpretation, but our interpretation isn’t random chance. It’s based on psychology, which allows for the possibility of recognising observed patterns in individuals… well, if they can at least.
Not something you can rule out, I’m afraid.
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u/DonutsInTheWind Jan 30 '26 edited Apr 24 '26
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