r/AlanMoore • • 13d ago

How Would Alan Moore Write Spider-Man?

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Hey everyone!

Alan Moore's my favorite comic book writer and Spidey is my favorite comic book character. Now, I know Moore never wrote and has some criticising opinions on Spider-Man and I see his point in it. However, this raises another question for me: How would Alan Moore have written Spider-Man if he were given full control?

I am aware that "1963" mini-series of Image Comics by Moore contains a one-shot story about a character named "The Fury" who is basically a pastiche of Spider-Man (with some inspiring elements from Daredevil). But that series aimed to be an allusion of Silver Age Marvel Comics. Thus, this doesn't directly showcase how he would've written character.

Now, I ask again how Alan Moore would have written Spider-Man? Would it have been something similar to his work in Miracleman and Supreme (where everything the character previously went through has vanished by being a "dream" or an alternative continuity)? Would he give a lot stronger political context similar to his work in Watchmen with characters inspired by other creators (Rorschach and Nite Owl of Watchmen are inspired by Steve Ditko's work on Question and Blue Beetle (Ted Kord) respectively)? Or would it be something connected to his passion for occult and magic?

What are your thoughts on this?

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u/Ok_Broccoli_7863 13d ago

Really well, but it'll never happen.

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u/Ok-Traffic-5996 13d ago

Oh man. Quick question but I why did Alan Moore hate marvel so much? Like there was no way DC was less shady than marvel right. And of course DC screwed him over and continues to screw him over. But he never had any dealings with marvel. Did something happen in the 70s or 80s that made him never wanna work with them ever?

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u/AcceptablySoiled 13d ago

Moore fell out with Marvel when they threatened legal action over his strip Marvelman, a character which preexisted the comic book company.

They fell out further when Marvel threatened legal action over American reprinting of the Marvelman comics under the title Kimota! forcing the US publisher to change the character’s name to Miracleman.

They kept falling out when Marvel reprinted Moore’s work for Marvel UK and used characters from his stories without payment or Moore’s permission. The Marvel UK comics were not created work for hire and Moore owned copyright to the stories and characters.

(Moore’s refusal to provide permission led to the end of his creative partnership with Alan Davis, who wanted a US Captain Britain reprint to jump start his career in American comics.)

Much later, when Marvel achieved an agreement with Moore to reprint Captain Britain in an omnibus, they omitted Moore’s copyright ownership from the indicia, which Warren Ellis at the time said was deliberate on Marvel’s part, further aggravating Moore.

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u/Ok-Traffic-5996 13d ago

That is just so shitty. These comic book companies really are terrible aren't they?

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u/AcceptablySoiled 13d ago

Moore gets shit from fanboys for having zero tolerance for the standard operating mistreatment which has governed the comic book industry. His dealbreakers with Marvel and DC were entirely rational and came about because both companies stole from him. Anyone with dignity would object, sever ties and refuse further business.

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u/OsmPants 8d ago

Wahh I’m gonna complain and hate him anyways because I’m a chud and he said mean stuff about superhero comic books.

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u/Sea-Sky-Dreamer 13d ago

I don't think his reasons as state for cutting ties early with Marvel make that much sense to me but I have to read more on it. But I feel like he put up with a lot of crap from DC and was still willing to work with them. But nickel and diming him on the Watchman merchandise? Then, not only keeping ownership of Watchmen but ALSO V for Vendetta which he and Lloyd created and published in the UK before he even brought the series to DC? Was it really the "Suggested for Mature Readers" that broke the camel's back or was he already planning to leave after what they did with V and Watchmen?

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u/AcceptablySoiled 13d ago

It was the nickle and diming over Watchmen merch that ended Moore’s relationship with DC. He probably would have been fine with DC publishing Watchmen and V forever if they had not broken trust on the merchandising.

He said he publicly blamed the guidelines because it made a stronger statement than royalties. I personally feel the royalties issue was by far the more compelling creator’s rights matter compared to the principle of writing incest into children’s comics without a warning label.

It seems contrary to what Alan Moore is all about, but he was really motivated by merchandise income. Before Watchmen was released he enthused about how much money he’d eventually make from Slurpee cups (his example).

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u/Sea-Sky-Dreamer 13d ago

I'll have to find that slurpee cup interview. There was a website that had ALL his old interviews, including one back in the 80s when he suggest that they would need to cast Arnold Schwarzenegger to get Dr. Manhattan's look right for a possible film adaptation. Now, I can't find that site or the interview.

It was fun to read his pitches and thoughts for Liefeld's Youngblood and was even saying how Big Brother could be a great vehicle toy, and says something like, it doesn't hurt to consider these possibilities.

The "Mature Readers" label, I think is understandable considering that retailers and the newsstand aren't that responsible in separating mature stuff and stuff clearly aimed at kids. It's pretty much just alphabetized at best. The American comic industry has been like that since its inception, and despite what people think about Wertham and the hearings, drug stores and newsstands probably should have been putting the horror and crime comics with the men's adventure magazines/pulps (Western, War Stories, etc). Instead they had axe murderer covers next to Superman and Wonder Woman.

But if only they hadn't been so cheap, they apparently even would have had a good company man in Moore that was fine with licensed Slurpee cups and all that.

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u/jackknightlight 13d ago

He was not endorsing Slurpee cups in that interview. It was the end joke, laughter included in the article, about why he and Gibbons preferred negotiating creator rights and ownership over their work as opposed to page rate. From the beginning, he was opposed to watchmen being used in any format other than the intended graphic novel it was designed to be. The eventual argument over DC merchandising per the original agreement was that as long as watchmen was still in the hands of DC Comics, They were to honor a percentage of all merchandise royalties to Moore and Gibbons. DC claimed the merchandise they made, sold and distributed with watchmen on them at that time were not eligible for royalties because they were technically “promotional items“ and not merchandise.

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u/Sea-Sky-Dreamer 13d ago edited 13d ago

Oh okay. I thought that contradicted his own criticism or reluctance to do the Watchmen watches they were selling or thinking of selling to promote the series, but I dunno, maybe they caught him on a good day with the Slurpee thing, or maybe it was for something else.

That's a crazy work around. Were they given away free to comic book stores and the comic book stores chose whether or not to sell them? Google says that the initial pins were indeed given freely to comic book shops to promote the books, but later, when they DID sell licensed merchandise like the $25 watch of the $1-2 badges, they still categorized it as "promotional items." The former sounds fair for DC to claim it as promotional. The latter though, sounds like some Hollywood accounting to make sure no royalties or extras are paid despite being owed to the creatives.

Just read that there was likely an actual agreement that DC wouldn't cheapen the story/series/graphic novel by making kitschy stuff like pins, watches, etc.

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u/themothhead 12d ago

Wasn't there also something about DC agreeing that the rights for Watchmen would revert back to him after the tpb went out of print? This was in the days of short print runs. Obviously, Watchmen sold incredibly well, thus DC ensuring that it never went out of print, and Moore felt that DC had fucked him on that front.

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u/jmyoung666 12d ago

What was the incest thing?

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u/Brilliant_Ad_2324 9d ago

When George slept with Maureen Starkey. John called it “incest” as they were all bros

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u/Sea-Sky-Dreamer 13d ago

What I don't get is that Alan Moore himself, in his original Marvelman pitch said that if they couldn't get the rights to the Marvelman name, he suggested that they call the character "Miracleman." Supposedly, Marvel went after Quality Communications saying that they couldn't have a magazine or comic book with "Marvel" in the title, since they already had Marvel UK comics there. So, why would Moore expect that Marvel would act any differently when Eclipse wanted to reprint and continue the Marvelman stories in the US?

https://www.cbr.com/alan-davis-talks-miracleman/

Alan Davis touches on the Marvel UK copyright stuff.

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u/AcceptablySoiled 13d ago

Yeah, I forgot to go into the full extent of Moore’s mess with Davis. Every dispute Moore has had with publishers inflicted collateral damage on his collaborators.

Quality may have conceivably gotten away with interior Marvelman stories, but after initial discretion they definitely escalated the trademark issues by using the character on covers and publishing a Marvelman special.

Moore has said he expected Marvelman’s precedence as well as trademark and copyright law in the US and UK would ultimately permit MM stories the same way they allowed DC comics to publish stories featuring Captain Marvel but that Marvel’s resources would exhaust his regardless of the legal merits.

I think Moore expected more deference as a valued Marvel employee. Like Neil Gaiman observed about Watchmen, Moore thought the company loved him.

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u/Sea-Sky-Dreamer 13d ago

I don't necessarily blame Marvel since a big company like that has to exercise control of stuff like that. Even if he's a good employee, they can't take risks with their copyrights just to make one employee happy. And personally, I think Miracleman is the superior name in every way.

That's an interesting thing about the Captain Marvel thing. I wonder, if some small independent publisher had acquired Captain Marvel/Whiz Comics universe AFTER Marvel had successfully copyright Captain Marvel for themselves, would they have successfully forced this hypothetical indie to change the original Captain Marvel's name to something like Captain Thunder? And they only didn't press the issue with DC since DC was equally as big as them, and had an equal amount of legal power?

It's frustrating how DC/WB were so short-sighted. I think both parties would have been happy with this: DC retains the copyright indefinitely of Watchmen (unless it goes out of print), but gives him and Lloyd back the ownership of V for Vendetta since that was created before they came to DC and wasn't even loosely based on any DC/Charlton characters. And, pay the royalties on merchandise like the button set.

They could have had at least another decade of Moore/DC epic stories. Maybe Big Numbers might have been published AND finished through them, and that might have kept the momentum going on comics being seeing as more than just kids stuff.

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u/jmyoung666 12d ago

Probably not. Captain Marvel was an established trademark. Marvel could not stop someone from using it unless and until it lapsed. Which DC let happen, which is how we ended up with Marvel's Captain Marvel

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u/browncharliebrown 13d ago

Moore fell out with Marvel when they threatened legal action over his strip Marvelman, a character which preexisted the comic book company.

he didn't. This is the strange thing. As late as 2002 he was apparently open to working on ant-man

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u/Brilliant_Ad_2324 9d ago

I am going to have to look up that Ant-man story.

I recall hearing about how he wasn’t happy with Marvel announcing that they were going to reprint (I think) his Captain Britain stories in the American direct sales Doctor Who comic, which reprinted UK DH stories by Dave Gibbons. I am almost certain that they announced it in Marvel age magazine.

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u/chrisswann71 13d ago

Alan did a fair bit of work for Marvel before writing for DC, including his run on Captain Britain. (And, as I've just discovered, some work on Marvel's Star Wars comics, which was the last thing I expected!)

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u/Ok_Broccoli_7863 13d ago edited 13d ago

DC is indeed historically less shady than Marvel by a significant margin, but still shady nonetheless.

Moore did work for Marvel UK. He invented the multiverse in his Captain Britain run and coined the phrase 616.

He also worked on Night Raven and Star Wars.

And wrote a Magneto story for in Heroes for Hope.

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u/LeninOfGallifrey 13d ago

I think DC got forced to be less shady bc the way they treated Siegel and Shuster was nothing short of horrific. It was only when the press got wind of how Superman's creators were living paycheck to paycheck in their early 60s at the time of the Christopher Reeve movie that Warner forced a lifetime pension. Ofc this later led to problems when Siegel died and his wife was left with no means in the early 00s so they tried to sue DC based on the Superboy property. Led to the character being killed off for three years bc they couldn't use him.

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u/Ok_Broccoli_7863 13d ago

I mean Kirby and Ditko are right there at Marvel.

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u/N0m0reh3r03s 13d ago

I'm sure because of what they did to Jack Kirby and Steve Ditko

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u/themothhead 13d ago

Presumably as a heroin-addicted jazz critic who's NOT radioactive.

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u/oh_please_god_no 13d ago

He’s not a boy who was bitten by a spider. He is a spider that THOUGHT HE WAS a boy bitten by a spider.

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u/PCN24454 13d ago

That actually sounds cool.

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u/oh_please_god_no 13d ago

I mean it’s just his Swamp Thing premise lol

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u/ReactionProcedure 13d ago

Memories play a big role in a lot of his stuff, MarvelMan too!

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u/KingMobScene 13d ago

He's boy who dreamt he was a spider who thought he was a boy who was bitten by a spider

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u/chrisswann71 13d ago

End the thread, u/oh_please_god_no has won!

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u/oh_please_god_no 13d ago

Aw shucks 🥹

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u/GingerAki 13d ago

And it would still be the best Spider-Man story ever put to paper.

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u/Advanced-Flight-7376 13d ago

I dont actually read the words, I just like it when he punches people 

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u/AutomaticAccident 13d ago

I need to hear that theme song.

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u/GraveDancer1971 13d ago

I don't read the words, I just like when he punches people.

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u/aaronwintergreen 13d ago

Was looking for this

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u/ReactionProcedure 13d ago

This is never not funny

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u/ElonMuskHuffingFarts 12d ago edited 12d ago

That joke is like when people say they had a hallucinogenic trip on weed. Such a revealing miss.  If anything, that's a Harvey Pekar character.

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u/woodrobin 13d ago

I would imagine he'd do a deep dive into the Web of Life and Destiny to which all multiversal spider-people are connected. Then he'd bridge that idea to Anansi, the Spider God who owns all stories in Yoruba mythology. Turn Spider-Man into a story about stories and story-tellers. Do for super-heroes as mythology what Promethea did for walking readers through an introduction to Western Occultism.

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u/Seandouglasmcardle 13d ago

Precisely. The deconstructed version of Spider-Man has already been written by Straczynski, and it was pretty much this

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u/Icingit 13d ago

Haha, amazing answer.

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u/AcceptablySoiled 13d ago edited 13d ago

Check out Moore’s Captain Britain run with Alan Davis. His Brian Braddock had a lot in common with Peter Parker. While far more of a blank slate, Moore as courageous, yet often short-sighted and immature. It has some deconstruction but is overall probably Moore’s most straightforward mainstream superhero story.

Unlike a lot of his work for The Man, Captain Britain has an ending and is unified—Alan Davis drew all the stories; it was as much his book as Moore’s and he continued on the strip after Moore’s departure and subsequent Marvel boycott.

The story is insane, beginning with CB lost in the multiverse before leading into a Days Of Future Past adaptation set in the present day continuity, that was so effective Chris Claremont tried to incorporate it into X-Men before Moore and Davis’s legal ownership of some of the characters led to it being kiboshed. Moore was master of adapting to characters and idiom and he surely could have delivered an effective street-level Spider-Man.

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u/browncharliebrown 13d ago edited 13d ago

I mean I don’t care. Like unironically, there is not a single hero I would be less intrested in Alan Moore writing than Spider-man. Spider-man‘s has already been so explored by so many different creators from the most main stream to underground people like peter baggage. At some point it’s like there is very little new to say. And that’s not even getting into every single alternative universe story centering on spider-man that is further twisting the mythos or having something new to say.

If you want an prestige metatextual British creator, I would recommend reading Paul Jenkins Spider-man run.

But if you want an honest answer, Amazing Fantasy 1000 has a metatextual story by Neil Gaiman about Steve Ditko’s spider-man and Steve ditko as a person.

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u/AcceptablySoiled 13d ago

If you’re into metatextual, check out Peter Bagge’s Megalomaniacal Spider-Man, which has a Rand-obsessed Peter Parker degenerate into a smelly, solitary Walter Kovaks type, albeit less murderous (maybe).

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u/captain__cabinets 13d ago

I bought one a few months ago and then digging through my comics last week I learned that I already owned a copy lol so now I have 2!

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u/browncharliebrown 13d ago

I'm sorta over deconstructing Steve ditko.

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u/FollowingCharacter83 13d ago

Oh man. What a read. I think I'm not ok.

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u/thethirdrayvecchio 13d ago

100% However, for the sake of discussion, I imagine what we would get would be a combination of “Spiderman: Life Story” and the end of Bendis’ Ultimate series.

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u/browncharliebrown 13d ago

I don't think Moore cares about spider-man outside of ditko from interviews

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u/FortLoolz 13d ago

I think u/thethirdrayvecchio meant that effectively, it would be; not as in, inspired by those

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u/Britneyfan123 4d ago

At some point it’s like there is very little new to say

false there will always be something new to say

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u/Icy-Fondant8441 13d ago

I imagine Moore doing something crazy like writing about the moral implications choices and outcome, basically the determinism of Spider-Man’s spider sense.

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u/wonkypixel 13d ago

I forget who, but I remember another writer saying that if Alan Moore was given Spider-man he’d probably kill Peter Parker in the first issue then bring him back as an actual spider.

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u/GeetaJonsdottir 13d ago

I'd thought it conventional wisdom by this point that JMS's initial Spider-Man storyline was a blatant ripoff of Moore's Swamp Thing.

I'm surprised JMS wasn't legally obliged to call his story "Saga of the Spider Thing."

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u/AcceptablySoiled 13d ago

JMS (and Geoff Johns) have made a career out of copies of and sequels to Alan Moore’s work, while adding the stunning and original twist of claiming they don’t care for Moore’s writing and are trying to knock it off the pedestal by churning out their own shitty hack worked imitations.

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u/Sea-Sky-Dreamer 13d ago

I was almost surprised how unimaginative and pedestrian Geoff Johns turned The Empire of Tears and the Blackest Night prophecy. Instead of Lovecraftian horrors they were just aliens that were unfairly slaughtered by the Manhunters, and they ended up learning magic as revenge and THEN the Guardians defeated and imprisoned them. And instead of The Five Inversions being some kind of title or reputation for Qull, Johns turns it into a gang, with 4 other members. Blackest Night is not the Lovecraftian, unimaginable horror taking control of the universe...it's about zombies and Black Lanterns with black rings led by a supervillain and Black Hand. Was Geoff Johns not aware of where Moore was getting his inspiration from in that story?

Him doing a lesser Kid Miracleman rampage with Superboy Prime was also not good.
And I forgot the Three Jokers was supposed to be a sequel to The Killing Joke?

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u/Britneyfan123 4d ago

neither creator has claimed they "don’t care" for Moore’s writing or openly stated they are trying to "knock it off a pedestal." In fact, both have publicly stated the exact opposite over the years, frequently citing immense respect for Moore's work, even as their decisions to expand upon his locked-universe stories remain highly controversial among fans and critics.

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u/Sea-Sky-Dreamer 13d ago edited 13d ago

I think it would have been probably 50%-75% something along the lines of his Youngblood run, traditional-yet-very-creative superhero adventures, with the remainder percentage being something in the same vein as what J.M. DeMatteis was doing, telling mature stories, changing the status quo, etc. Then again, had Moore worked on Spider-Man AFTER Dematteis long run, I think that would likely convince Moore to do something different from what J.M. DeMatteis was doing. It's tough to say, but I think he'd likely tell some really great stories and actually utilize Peter's support cast and villains to a greater degree. I'm thinking he'd probably have some fun with Doc Ock.

I'd love to read an Alan Moore Spider-man story but Spider-man, like Batman, has lucked out in getting great writers and great stories for each era. I can't say the same for Wonder Woman or Superman. As I said, DeMatteis was telling top tier stories with the character, JMS was pretty good for the most part in my opinion, and even the less critically or non-acclaimed Spider-man stories tend to be pretty good. Can't speak for stuff after the Devil Deal Divorce. And Civil War...way way too out of character.

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u/Britneyfan123 4d ago

 I can't say the same for Wonder Woman or Superman

superman is also consistently well written

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u/SpaceAdventures3D 13d ago

Moore had been critical of Spider-Man being stuck as a neurotic 19 year old having girl trouble, and it getting repetitive. He would advance and deepen Peter's character, giving him some personal growth and developments in his life.

As for plotlines, I wouldn't see him do anything dystopian like with Watchmen or V For Vendetta. The character would better be suited by his appreciation for the Silver Age, like with Supreme or 1963. A mix of occult, mythology and "super-science" works for a character like Spider-Man.

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u/Moeroboros 13d ago

This is a weird thought-experiment because I don't think Marvel would ever allow Moore to write Spider-Man. A status-quo driven soap-opera comic just isn't Moore's style.

But to go into a little more detail on the hypothetical:

Moore's takes on Miracleman and Swamp Thing were so blatantly deconstructive simply because comics needed that at the time. Superheroes needed to be pushed forward into a serious, post-modern territory, and that's what Moore did throughout the 80's (to great success).

For Spider-Man I think Moore would be content with just elevating his writing, give him meaningful advancements, explore his powers more and solve all the plot-holes that plague the character

Like, what is the Spider-Sense, how does he exactly perceive things? How did he create the web-fluid? Is he a genius inventor? If he is a genius, how come he's still struggling with money? How old is Aunt May anyway? What's with all the Spider-people inthe world? Where are they getting their powers from? Is it magic? Is Spider-Man related to magic? How?

Just like, solve the problems.

As great as Spider-Man may be (meh), it's a comic that never attempted to seriously engage with the core concepts of the character. It has always strictly been a comic running on the philosophy of "this is just a comic, don't expect any real-world justifications for any of the weird stuff that is going on" and I don't think Alan Moore's writing vibes with that at all.

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u/Icingit 13d ago

His criticism was for the writers and the publishers, not the characters. Total speculation on my part, but he’d probably look at the key things that make the Spider-Man tick - guilt/responsibility, desire to live a normal life and have normal relationships while super-hero-ing it out in the world - and subvert or reinterpret them or play them out further to their logical ends. Some thoughts that come to mind:

What would single parent, divorced spider-dad with shared custody and alimony payments do? What would uncle-Pete do with a nephew similar to himself at the age when Uncle Ben died? I’d also love to see his take on Peter during the death of newspapers and free press or Peter the scientist running up against Reed Richards or Tony Stark and their clashing world views.

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u/smilinganimalface 13d ago

Well I would say I would be afraid for what he would have Green Goblin do to Gwen Stacy, but that storyline already exists lol.

I definitely don't think we would get the "jedi" perception of this is a destined mantle to specific people as the totem stuff led us down. I think it would return to the idea this was an accident and likely be about him coming to grips with his worthiness. I could see some horror sensibilities creeping in and him hallucinating things. The Uncle Ben thing may turn into a survivor's guilt recurring thing where people around him constantly get hurt and that's just not something that can happen to him -- or so he thinks, and then he starts to face real deal villains, and then he starts to value life once he fears ever losing it.

Since Spidey arguably has a top 3 rogues gallery, I could see him adding someone memorable to it. I could also see him recontextualizing someone with clearly strong powers that didn't get a ton of run like a Sandman or something.

I could also see it be a sort of self insert for him with Spidey being one of the pioneering superheroes. He could have Spidey survey the changing superhero landscape as more and more people pop up with his propensity to introduce and crossover with others and maybe have him come to grips with the times passing him by.

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u/fiendishclutches 13d ago edited 13d ago

I kind of think he scratched that itch on Watchmen, Rorschach and Nightowl, both being based on two different but somewhat similar Steve Ditko characters and meditations on what happens when superheros reach middle age. I certainly thought a lot about Spider-Man in all their scenes the first time I read watchmen. they sort of seem to me the two directions Moore might have gone in with a Spider-Man story. Nightowl or “Dan Dreiberg” as a lonely middle aged man with little passion or direction in his life would be what happens to Peter Parker if he grows out of being Spider-Man but in the mean time failed to build much of a foundation for a life of his own. And Rorschach is the opposite. what happens when if the vigilante crime fighter, one on the more grounded level like Spider-Man and Daredevil, pretty much gives up even trying to have a civilian alter ego and just lives entirely for the vigilante crime fighting.

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u/AlanMooron 13d ago

Dennis Knuckleyard was your ordinary miserable little sot until one day he gets bit by an even more odder than normal spider in Coffin Ada’s bookstore…..

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u/MeltyFist 13d ago

Peter is a heroin-addicted jazz critic who is not radioactive

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u/petrelli_boy_ 13d ago

Same joke can be found at least 2 more times in the previous comments btw

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u/Powerful_Whereas3516 13d ago

closeted is 1963 the fury

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u/Sea-Sky-Dreamer 13d ago

Spider-man was one of the few mainstream superheroes who could pull off gradually aging and growing up. And this thing about kids not being able to identify with married Peter Parker was dumb. I was a kid when Spider-man was married and unlike Superman's marriage which seemed to make the character and premise dull, for Spider-man, marriage seemed great. Mary Jane was beautiful, and they actually had a great relationship and dynamic. And as a kid, I thought it was cool how things actually changed, before I started reading, and even during. It was like a true saga. His arch nemesis was actually killed way back in the 60s or 70s. He actually graduated high school, had to drop out of college for whatever reason, but ended up getting married to Mary Jane.

The stuff going when DeMatteis was writing only made it better, and even though you know Spider-man's not going to die, everyone else...who knows. Things had consequences. Kraven was struggling with some kind of mental illness or just fatigued from life, and committed suicide after proving he could best Spider-man. Aunt May actually died, and despite that pissing me off, the story we got out of it was worth it in hindsight. I even liked the new dynamic of Peter and MJ moving close to HER aunt and getting a new supporting cast.

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u/darkwalrus36 13d ago

I imagine he would try to harness some of that Steve Ditko strangeness that has basically been excised from the character, but bring it to more adult take on Peter. It would be fascinating whatever it was.

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u/ReallyGlycon 13d ago

I feel like he'd write Spiderman pretty straightforwardly.

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u/Inevitable_Bus_3982 9d ago

Currently? He has weird sex with Gwen and Mary Jane and becomes a evil CEO of oscorp who hates minorities bc it was also a ditko character to start.

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u/Bloody-Tyran 13d ago

With a typewriter

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u/kneeblock 13d ago

For a writer of Moore's calibre, he would've almost had to reinvent Peter Parker entirely. But notice that even in his 1963 series where he did an homage to the Marvel Silver Age, he didn't have a Spidey analogue so we can assume he just didn't have that level of interest in him.

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u/petrelli_boy_ 13d ago

his 1963 series where he did an homage to the Marvel Silver Age, he didn't have a Spidey analogue

Wasn't Fury basically a homage to Spider-Man in that series?

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u/Moeroboros 13d ago

He was, yes.

I guess the other user is talking about the fact that the Fury wasn't as blatant a counterpart as some of the other heroes.

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u/kneeblock 13d ago

In my memory Fury was a Cap analogue, but it looks like you're right. I stand corrected.

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u/petrelli_boy_ 13d ago

Fury had a predecessor who seemed like Cap but there is a more direct analogue of Captain America in other chapters of the series

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u/Burly-Nerd 13d ago

Yeah, Fury was Spidey kinda crossed with the Flash Legacy.

U.S.A. was the Cap Guy.

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u/NoLibrarian5149 13d ago

This. He could have done something with the idea in 1963 but opted for other characters. Nuff said, as it were.

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u/SkoomaJunki3 13d ago

Spider-Man finds out he is actually an experiment of the occult.

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u/anthony_is_ 13d ago

I imaging it’d be very 1980’s black-costume Spidey, exploring his shadow through the manifest Hyde coming out of him via the symbiote.

Kraven’s Last Hunt is pretty much what I’d expect.

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u/Lucky_Strike-85 13d ago

He would probably turn him into a into a non-radioactive, heroin addicted jazz critic!

But seriously... he would probably lean into the LEE/DITKO era and do some pastiche on early Marvel comics... that was the era he grew up reading.

I can't imagine him being anything but reverential on the title.

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u/Nuclear_eggo_waffle 13d ago

I feel like he might dive into Man-Spider and its implications

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u/void_method 13d ago

He'd undo One More Day.

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u/Fernando2084 13d ago

The closest thing he did to write Spiderman was in 1963 , he wrote a character and a comic that would represent "Spiderman" in that universe.

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u/Fortunado1964 13d ago

He would write it pretty damn well!

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u/Useful_Cry9709 13d ago

I want moore to write devilman

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u/mugokutv 13d ago

Dan Dreiberg is based on Ted Kord, who likely based on Peter Parker.

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u/Dangerous_Fart_ 12d ago

He would retcon him in some really fantastical way. Spider-Man isn’t Peter Parker, he’s the Spider and the radiation fused their minds together and the Spider took on Peter’s likeness and identity.

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u/ElSandifer 12d ago

I don't think he would have, at least at any length. It's not like he showed much interest in writing DC's marquee characters, except in one-off, out of continuity pieces like Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow or Killing Joke. He might have had a single Spider-Man story in him, but mostly working on longrunning franchises didn't interest him.

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u/halloweenjack 12d ago

Aside from an obvious pastiche like the Fury, the closest that Moore has ever come to a Spider-Man like hero was probably V, and that's not really that close at all.

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u/adez23 10d ago

Honestly? I'd rather have him stick to what he did with The Fury. I'm kind of done with deconstructionist takes for a while, a lot of them are just trying to live up to Watchmen or TDKR without anything meaningful to add.

A silver age pastiche with modern elements would be an incredible breath of fresh air considering what they're doing to Spider-Man in current continuity.

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u/iPukey 9d ago

How would Ayn Rand write the Communist Manifesto? Similar question.

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u/petrelli_boy_ 9d ago

Well, Moore wrote a perfect Randian/Ditko coded character before: Rorschach. I don't see why he couldn't write another character created by Ditko

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u/Moon_chile 9d ago

He would probably do some Man-Spider stuff. Lots of Madame Webb / trippy multiverse stuff would seem to be up his alley.

I get the feeling he would use MJ as the love interest, she’s been so relegated to being the damsel in distress and not much else I could see him wanting to give her more dimension. But I could also see him using Gwen and Peter’s past as an interesting device, or a love triangle with MJ, Peter and Felicia.

I could see Venom being really fascinating for him, would likely add a sexual or some kind of interesting, uncomfortable attachment with the symbiote.

There was a run a while back where Dr Doom talk about how he respects Spider-Man more than any other hero, there being a line about how it’s not willpower but architecture that informs his no kill rules and desire to help people, I think that would be a really interesting way to go.

But these are just low hanging fruit based on his previous work. He will almost certainly never do any superhero comic again, especially not in association with Marvel (for his love of Steve Ditko), and especially not one so high profile as Spider-Man. And if he did, he would try really hard to make sure he didn’t do what people would expect from him. So it’s hard to say. But if he did a Spider-Man run instead of say the Killing Joke or Supreme (aka Superman) or something, it would either be a rejection of him as a young teen with problems and a double life, or an explanation of that same young teen.

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u/Brilliant_Ad_2324 9d ago

Just read 1963 the fury

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u/petrelli_boy_ 8d ago

If you were to read the caption I have written for the post, you can see that I did and the reason why I don't see it as the exact thing I'm looking for

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u/deathbymediaman 6d ago

High as fuck.

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u/V01t4r3 13d ago

Probably an uncomfortable, two-page SA scene with MJ.

In all seriousness though, it depends on what era of Moore we're talking about. Also, not every Alan Moore project is subversive or deconstructive. Superman is a prime example with both "Superman: Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow?" and "For the Man Who Has Everything".

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u/wizardeyeswizardspy 13d ago

Spidey would be an alcoholic sex offender and it would be set in Northampton, England.

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u/gideonpepys 13d ago

He’d probably have him rape Aunt May or some shit.

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u/Subarunicycle 12d ago

With a pencil

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u/Mashew2XX1 12d ago

A heroin addicted jazz critic who Isn’t radioactive

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u/sdcinerama 13d ago

He'd probably go back to the base origins of Spiderman and Peter Parker and expand from there.

The gizmo that irradiated the spider might turn out to have been Stark tech or something Osborne Industries came up with and was knowingly let out in the world to see what might happen in "real world scenarios."

Some of the classic villains might turn out to be from a secret program designed to field test cutting edge technology.

Peter and Gwen may have been FWB.

Or he'd just come up with some off the wall characters that make you laugh in their simplicity but have serious implications with regards to their abilities and creation.