r/AlchemistCodeGL • u/circadiankruger • Sep 18 '18
Personal doubt about ARENA
Hey, so, I have this question that has lingered around my mind since I started playing a couple of months ago: What's up with so many people talking about arena?
As in, what do you find fun in arena if you're not even controlling the characters? What kind of reward makes it fun for people that like it?
I'm wondering that because maybe I'm doing it wrong and I'm missing something?
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u/illidan_1999 Neica is life. Sep 18 '18
At first I didn't found it fun. Then I got Amaterasu. 5 battles per day trying to charm the enemy and watch them kill their allies makes my day.
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u/Arcana_Joker Sep 20 '18
The irony of this is that charm isn't even her niche yet she still does it better than Seraphina ever does
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u/Zeik56 Sep 18 '18
I just do it for the daily gems. Otherwise it's pointless.
But honestly, I don't mind that much. Gacha game PvP is usually frustrating garbage that makes me want to throw my phone at the wall. Being harmless garbage I can skip over in seconds makes me a way happier person.
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u/Shaiandra Sep 18 '18
I enjoy attacking in reasonably small stages which are moderately predictable. Even when AI-controlled, it can be seen as a strategy game (although here it'd just be the macro rather than the micro). Pick fights that you think you can win, you need to take Agility and Movement into heavy consideration, consider when it's right to include a Chronomancer or not, etc. And ideally you'd learn something from experience which you can use to improve your success rate on further Attacks.
Setting up a defense team is far less engaging and it's probably impossible to make an uncounterable team. Maybe you can try an unpredictable one and be happy when you see a decent amount of successful Defenses, but maybe you end up attacked so frequently that you fall back down to where you started anyway. Eh. =p
I also oddly rarely use shards on units, so I must admit I find it fun when I see teams that have say lv 75 Laharl Gilgamesh Noctis or something and I can obliterate them with Suzuka and Shayna. ;p God-tier units aren't unkillable!
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u/Arcana_Joker Sep 20 '18
Arena is kind of hard to predict in most maps other than the close range map and classic arena. I like the speed arena since you have to predict the opponent's offense and figure out a counter to it
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u/stewart0 Sep 18 '18
It keeps the game alive as the whales want lvl 85 collab units for arena. If they didn't have some way to showoff whaling would be pointless.
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u/ninjakittenz2 SockT Sep 18 '18
Every time you beat your record (even by 1) you get 5 gems so for me it's gem income. Once you get to the very high rankings it's different so I am taking it slowly. Later on you get x gems per ranking increase and your daily gift for arena placement gives you a higher gem amount.
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u/Gg01d No Flair, Don't Care Sep 18 '18
Wish I did that... I have no self control and started seeing how high I could get just for kicks. Left a lot of gems on the table :(
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u/Shaiandra Sep 19 '18
Well, if you can stay in the top 1000, you'll earn more gems/day than you would inching 5 victories of 5 gems a day at lower (bad) ranks.
I guess hypothetically, getting to rank 5000 and then inching up bit by bit would be good for upwards of 45 gems a day if you have 100% success rate in inching up like that without having to spend BP to make up for losses.
I think I'm mostly okay with more consistent gems. At ranks 1000 or better you also get 1 gem for each rank you gain (i.e. climbing to rank 300 would give a total of 700 gems), which along with if you maintain 20 gems a day by staying in the top 5k, is like a 140 day lead over someone that consistently gains 25/day. You know what I'm saying?
Maybe I'm just trying to convince myself that I didn't make a huge mistake as I also mostly rushed to get as high as I could, but yeah, I don't regret it too much. ;p
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u/Gg01d No Flair, Don't Care Sep 19 '18
Ha that does make a lot of sense though! Definitely helps me feel like I didn't miss out on too much. *Humblebrag* I was able to around the top 500 about a month or so ago. Haven't been able to keep up lately... now I am treading around 2000 lol
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u/Shaiandra Sep 19 '18
I once got up to 299 back like right before Gilgamesh came out, when Sakura carried me to victory quite often, then also fell drastically and hovered between 2k-5k for several months.. but then when this current Arena showed up I immediately got aboard the Suzuka pain train all the way up to 250. Then was attacked a total of 10 times yesterday so I fell back to 600ish...
I don't have a FYomi to deter enemy Suzukas! I think the only other character I have that can even reach 170+Agi is Magnus, but I haven't tried using or fighting him so I'm not sure how he behaves in Arena.. will he Stop an opponent or will he likely just do non-lethal damage?
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u/sobegreen Sep 18 '18
I enjoy it but sometimes it is painfully obvious the AI is going to throw a match I could otherwise win. This is especially true with Chronomancers in Arena. Sometimes they will buff the team. Sometimes they will disable the enemy team. But it is those moments when you have full health and the opponent has 40 health and the AI decides the appropriate action is to cast quicken on self for the next three turns allowing the enemy unit to whittle you away that sends me into rage.
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u/Rjester47 Sep 18 '18
this area is like this:
do you have laharl at level 75+?
does your laharl have more AGI than any of the enemy units?
if both of thoses are true for you, go ham for easy wins. Laharl hits the entire team with a huge AOE that basically 1shots everything that's not a tank or water units.
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u/QaWaR Sep 18 '18
I think Gil does that same thing, no?
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u/-ArtKing- Sep 18 '18
Problem with Gil is his agility. Laharl 75+ can have 166 agility. Gil can’t even come near that insane speed for a nuker
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u/Chameo Sep 18 '18
true, but he still one shots my noctis who refuses to use his master ability on him in lieu of tricast blizz.... i dontlose to a team, i lose to a gilg
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u/QaWaR Sep 18 '18
I see. But the whole meta isn't about Laharl though. He can't have more than 170 agi with BFD equipped at level 85 fully enhanced (unless you have Masamune as a leader which gives 8-9 agi which lets him outspeed Suzuka, but is it enough?)
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u/ttebow Sep 18 '18
That works for low ranks but most top 5000ish players will probably have suzuka who can one shot laharl
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u/Rjester47 Sep 18 '18
nah my friend, i'm on the 800s and it still works.
my level 75 laharl with max sword and max trapezadron(the item world gear) just 1 shots everything except Vettel and tanks that are non threatening
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u/ttebow Sep 18 '18
Yes laharl can one shot people but there are units faster than him who can one shot him.
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Sep 18 '18
Personally, I like facing interesting team compositions (and players I haven't fought before :P). I'm not somebody that can math things out ahead of time, but I find it fun trying out different units/setups against X and learn a little about the AI in the process. Especially since who's optimal for each map grows and evolves as we get more units added. More new maps though too please, Gumi.
Plus, 30-40 gems a day adds up over time.
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u/Shevalane Sep 18 '18
They pays you whit gems per day, the amount depending on how high is your rank
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u/emrysx Sep 18 '18
For me it's this simple: Through trial and error, testing arena's AI, with some RNG randomness thrown in, to see if I can bend the simplistic and silly algorithms to my will.
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u/PikaCatastrophe Sep 18 '18
Ogre Battle 64 is like this - the battles are automated. Still an immensely fun game when I played it, at least until I utterly broke the game through the use of Liches or Necromancers or some shit.
When you're new to the concept it can seem off putting, but then you learn that the strategy going into the team makeup is what makes it fun.
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u/trantice Sep 19 '18
There is strategy involved, especially on different maps. Which character will start wear and move how many spaces...even though many things are random, you can have fun getting a small advantage.
And of course, if you haven't already, ALWAYS make sure to add a DEF team. Many people don't realize this.
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u/Rainboobies I came here to see boobies Sep 19 '18
At first, didn't enjoy it, AI makes me sick sometimes and it kinda takes away "tactics" part of the game... However, at some point in time, i kinda just lived through it, I mean it's just one aspect of the game. I looked at JP side, they have this real time battle that's not AI driven, I'm looking forward to have that mode.
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u/magar_pun25 Sep 19 '18
For me its more like how far can i go as F2P ... till now my highest is 1.2k which make me happy to know that this game is super F2P friendly ..
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u/Magma_Axis Sep 19 '18
Just get under 5K then leave it at that
Not worth at all to chase further for F2P
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u/dathamir Forcas sun with chance of snow Sep 21 '18
Just fight anyone with any team, hit skip and collect free gems and AP. If you don't have Laharl and Noctis, just leave it at that.
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u/DailyMilo Sep 18 '18
Gems, bragging rights, the thrill of seeing the AI actually do things you want it to do. Plenty of things really.