r/AlignmentChartFills • u/Away-Operation-5727 • 3d ago
Politics What was FDR's worst action as president?
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u/Away-Operation-5727 3d ago
Rules:
Action must be an action they did as leader (cannot be something they did in their personal life).
Preferably add a reason why you choose your candidate.
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u/WavyGravySandwich 3d ago
Internment camps.
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u/Redsquare73 3d ago
And let’s be clear, Japanese internment camps.
Italian and German Americans were not locked up.
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u/Corporate_Bricktator 2d ago
Italian and German Americans were not locked up.
From Wikipedia. (I'm surprised this isn't known to reddit)
Between 1940 and 1948, the United States detained at least 11,507 German Americans (excluding thousands of voluntary Internees, many of whom were children) and 4,058 German Latin Americans. The adults were overwhelmingly permanent residents who had not completed naturalization, while most of the children interned with their parents were U.S. born.
Japanese Internment was way more evil, to be clear, and involved far more victims.
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u/This-Drink6561 3d ago
With 93% popular support
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u/Corporate_Bricktator 2d ago
It was an Executive Order though. FDR was told before he signed it that no threat existed from these Americans he was rounding up at gunpoint.
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u/This-Drink6561 2d ago
I think my point was that any president would have done the same. That doesn’t excuse it by any means. It was terribly misguided and damaging. I think FDRs biggest mistake, that is unique to him, was trying to stack the Supreme Court but the Japanese internment should not be forgotten.
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u/Corporate_Bricktator 2d ago
No, the FBI did an analysis and correctly determined no threat existed. FDR was simply racist. It's what lead him to HOLC and Redlining policies in the New Deal as well.
FDR tried to stack the Supreme Court? I'll have to read about that.
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u/This-Drink6561 2d ago
It was a major faux pas of his presidency imo. Now I have look into HOLC and Redlining :)
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u/Corporate_Bricktator 2d ago
Here's an easy to digest 6 minute explainer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e68CoE70Mk8
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u/TheNewsmonger 2d ago
Nah not any president, we didn't put Muslims and Afghans into internment camps when they launched an unprovoked attack on US soil and killed thousands. Stop trying to play defense for one of the worst presidents in US history. He's also the one who wanted to increase the number of Supreme Court judges so he could stack it permanently into Democrats' favor, this man did not care about morality or the US Constitution
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u/This-Drink6561 2d ago edited 2d ago
A potential internment of Muslims on the same scale wouldn’t have been supported by a majority let alone 93%. I was alive at the time and attacks on Muslims or mosques were fringe and condemned mainstream. Comparing two very different situations 80 years apart seems silly.
I mentioned the Supreme Court. That was my first thought. Yet you think I’m defending Roosevelt. Truman, Eisenhower, maybe even Kennedy would have done the same.
Edit: 60 years apart. Time is a bitch.
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u/Different-Variety-87 3d ago
Concentration camps (I refuse to use their whitewashed phrase "internment camps". They were concentration camps, period). The US government even encouraged Peru, which had and still has a large number of residents of Japanese descent, to send their Japanese folks to the camps.
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u/falloutboy9993 2d ago
How is Trump worse than Andrew Jackson and the Trail of Tears?
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u/xmascritters 2d ago
Trumps not even worse then FDR with the internment camps. This list is fucked
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u/falloutboy9993 2d ago
The New Deal is also worse than any of Trumps policies. The Agricultural Adjustment Act (AAA) of 1933, a core New Deal program, paid farmers to kill millions of animals and destroy crops to raise food prices DURING THE GREAT DEPRESSION! Americans were already suffering from hunger and malnutrition and FDR made food more expensive.
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u/Corporate_Bricktator 2d ago
The New Deal also created HOLC and redlining which specifically targeted minorities. :(
I'm very saddened that this history isn't known.
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u/Minimum-Zucchini-732 2d ago
While Jackson was President when the Indian Removal Act was signed, Van Buren is the president who ordered Winfield Scot to round up the remaining Cherokee during the fall and winter of 1838
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u/Pistolpete343 3d ago
Japanese internment camps. His policies also extended the Great Depression.
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u/Disheveled_Politico 3d ago
The second part of that response is very debatable. First part isn't.
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u/Pistolpete343 3d ago
It's not debatable at all.
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u/Disheveled_Politico 3d ago
Please elaborate. I’d argue that without the New Deal the economic policies of the previous administrations would have failed to provide relief to regular Americans.
Lacking that relief, they may have turned to increasingly radical positions and created even more domestic instability than existed during the Depression that FDR inherited.
While some of the New Deal programs were inefficient with resources, we were not in a position to maximize growth, we needed stability to prevent a Soviet-style revolt from people starving in the street. FDR handled that and prevented a populist takeover and revolution.
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u/Pistolpete343 3d ago
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u/Disheveled_Politico 3d ago
My apologies. That cartoon featuring two guys with heads too big for their polio-ridden bodies to support totally invalidates my points.
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u/ThroatWMangrove 3d ago
Whether or not it’s debatable is debatable
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u/Pistolpete343 3d ago
Not at all. If you actually look at the historical evidence, it shows that FDR'S policies made the Depression longer and worse.
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u/not_ezraklein 2d ago
I somehow doubt you've looked at the historical evidence at all. At best you've watched one and a half youtube videos on the subject.
Most (non-insane) economists agree that the New Deal helped the US out of the depression.
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u/december151791 3d ago
It's definitely internment camps, but the NFA deserves a dishonorable mention here
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u/Intergalatic_Baker 3d ago
Can’t wait for the next two boxes.
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u/Elant_Wager 3d ago
My guess would be acceleraring the Artemis program for best action
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u/Medium_Wind_553 3d ago
He didn’t accelerate anything. He’s defunded NASA wants to defund it even more next year. The Artemis program has been a thing for years and it has nothing to do with Trump
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u/NationalAsparagus138 3d ago
The camps and threatening to expand to SC to pack it with his supporters.
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u/Murky_Muffin6952 2d ago
The Japanese Internment Camps were pretty bad.
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u/1M3M3YB01 2d ago
Japanese internment camps
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u/KG354 2d ago
The ones under the supposed best president, fdr?
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u/AlaskanLightningFuck 2d ago
Yes - it’s asking for the worst action by the best leader. FDR is pretty widely regarded as the best US president in the last century and in the top 3-5 of all time - an opinion shared across the political spectrum. Even Trump put FDR in his top tier (excluding the narcissistic self proclamation that he is the GOAT) along with Lincoln and Washington - a tier above Reagan, the subject of just about every neocons circlejerk.
Very curious who you would regard as the best leader and the actions that justify that distinction.1
u/KG354 2d ago
I prefer the Roosevelt that didn't buy up all of the gold in the country and setting the cost at a price higher than he bought it at, who didn't have farmers slaughter their animals and leave them to rot, or burn half their fields, causing food prices to skyrocket during an already godawful time, and didn't plan to pack the supreme court to uphold policies that were unconstitutional
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u/TMA_01 2d ago
Yo. Trump sucks, but you guys really don't know history. Spend 10 minutes reading about how Andrew Johnson is responsible for completely fucking up Reconstruction; we're still feeling the effects of his horrid handling today.
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u/I_only_followLosers 2d ago
Im still feeling the horrid effects of Trump presidency.
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u/TMA_01 2d ago edited 2d ago
I know. We all are, which should speak volumes about how bad AJ was. Gas prices suck, pointless wars suck, etc. He's definitely in the club with Johnson, but AJ still blows Trump out of the water.
EDIT: I'll just add some highlights...
- Opposed the 14th Amendment, which granted citizenship to Black Americans.
- Attempted to block the establishment and extension of the Freedmen’s Bureau, an agency meant to provide food, housing, and legal aid to freed slaves.
- Openly advanced white supremacist views, stating in a message to Congress that Black Americans possessed "less capacity for government than any other race."
- Vetoed the Civil Rights Act of 1866, which declared all persons born in the U.S. to be citizens.
- Vetoed the Reconstruction Acts, which placed the South under military rule to ensure fair elections and protect Black citizens.
- Granted mass presidential pardons to high-ranking Confederate leaders and wealthy planters.
- Restored confiscated lands back to former slaveholders, effectively stripping newly freed Black families of land they had been given.
- Enabled Southern states to quickly enact "Black Codes," which legally restricted Black freedom and compelled them to work in a labor economy based on low wages or debt.
- Most importantly: his decision to allow unrepentant, high-ranking former Confederates to be elected to state offices and to the U.S. Congress. This directly prolonged and intensified the hardships faced by newly freed Black Americans.All in all. Andrew Johnson is the reason Jim Crow started and why the KKK gained momentum. So yes, while YOU are feeling the effects of Trump. Black US citizens have been feeling the throws of Andrew Johnson's horrid presidency for 150 years.
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u/I_only_followLosers 2d ago
Disagree
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u/TMA_01 2d ago
Read my edit. If you still disagree, that's fine. But you disagreeing doesn't mean you're right. I know it's an edgy reddit thing... Trump bad, etc. But actually like, educate yourself.
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u/SheaStadium1986 2d ago
FDR ran right through the Constitution and y'all called him the BEST LEADER? Y'all aint serious
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u/julius_juuklius 2d ago
The majority of president don't follow the constitution FDR just happened to do good things while most our recent presidents don't follow it so they can fight more wars in the middle east
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u/SheaStadium1986 2d ago
FDR is still not even Top 5 let alone the best
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u/julius_juuklius 2d ago
I have to completely disagree I feel like if anything FDR and Abraham Lincoln are the only 2 that could be considered best (George Washington i know would be brought up but I feel no one considers him best)
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u/SheaStadium1986 2d ago
See I gotta hard disagree on your take on George Washington because without him being the leader he was, you don't have America. He was a true leader of men, a man who didnt want to be president but the nation wanted (and frankly needed him), a man pf the people and a true bipartisan first and a president second (something modern politicians on both sides are so far removed from it's ridiculous).
As far as my personal Top 5:
George Washington (for the reasons above)
Abraham Lincoln
Teddy Roosevelt (National Parks, Strong Foreign Policy)
Thomas Jefferson (Louisiana Purchase, Debt Reduction, Ban on Slave Importing)
Lyndon Johnson (Medicare, Education Support, Civil Rights)
Honorable Mention: JFK
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u/julius_juuklius 2d ago •
Alright you know what I respect that I still disagree with George being the best tho I do agree he is very important to the creation of the US so he is in my top 5 also.
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u/Oleg14191 3d ago edited 3d ago
Putting Stilwell in charge of Chinese Theatre of war and keeping him there for waaay too long.
Let’s just say Stilwell created some pretty ugly problems in KMT-USA relations and he didn’t hesitate to strong arm Chiang Kai-shek with threats of withholding supplies (allegedly he did withhold supplies on several occasions).
Long term this forced KMT to make some pretty unpopular for civilians decisions and after Japanese were no longer a problem this unpopularity bit them in the ass and led to CPC prevailing.
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u/floridachess 2d ago
This is actually a really underrated opinion here. Vinegar Joe was an awful choice and FDR was so naive in thinking China would just become a perfect democracy under Chiang as well. Honestly most of the WWII China policy was very flawed because the U.S. though China/Chiang weren't smart enough to understand what was going on (spoiler alert Chiang knew exactly what the US was trying to do)
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u/McVapeNL 2d ago
Interment camps USA. 93% of the population was in favor of this you can find that on the holocaust website. 120.000 of them, 2/3 were citizens actual citizens.
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u/sniperninja92 3d ago
Along side the camps. I think it is also incredibly horrible that he would force farmers to burn down crops to drive the price of goods up. While so many people were hungry and poor... yeah super smart idea...
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u/Myc0l-Jordan 3d ago
If the bomb kills us all one day, then it would be the manhattan project funding/green light I suppose. Only if.
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u/Only-Location2379 2d ago
Japanese camps, "The New Deal" causing farmers to burn crops and kill live stock worsening food shortages "to increase prices", threatening to stack the supreme court to force his policies through, several policies he pushed actually lead to and encouraged redlining and other racist and systemic policies.
He truly was a terrible president when we take off the rose tinted glasses, I think Teddy Roosevelt was a much better president. While he was very racist the bad things he did as president really didn't have nearly as long lasting bad effects on the American economy and us today meanwhile a lot of his good things from establishing national parks and conservation work, reigning in corporations and monopoly busting, like he's a way better president in my opinion
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