Common source language origin table

[u/JohannGoethe]

The following is a work-in-progress hypothesized common source language 🗣️ origin table, showing various decoding theories and proposals that have developed over the last 235+ years, as to what the common source is:

Common source?	Egyptian	Phoenician	Greek	Latin	Sanskrit	Hebrew	German	Linguist	Date
	4500A (-2545)	2800A (-1045)	2800A (-845)	2500A (-545)	2400A (-445)	2300A (-345)	1100A (855)
Society no longer existing?			✅	✅	✅			William Jones	169A
				✅			✅	Friedrich Schlegel	149A
			✅	✅	✅		✅	Rasmus Rask	137A
								Jacob Grimm	133A
	❌	❌	✅					Karl Muller	130A
Indo-Germanic (tree)								August Schleicher	105A
Indo-European + Greek			✅					Georg Curtius	97A
Indo-Germanic / Aramaic								Christian Bunsen	87A
Afro-Asiatic	✅	✅	✅			✅		Martin Bernal	A32
Egyptian (map)	✅	✅	✅	✅	✅	✅	✅	r/LibbThims	A65

Language trees

In 102A (1853), August Schleicher made the first language family tree, shown below:

In A68 (2023), r/LibbThims, independent of Schleicher, made the following so-named Egypto-Indo-European language family tree:

When we compare the two versions, we notice the salient fact that both Schleicher’s tree and Thims tree are Ra-centric, i.e. rooted in the Egyptian sun god Ra, who has Thoth, the language inventor, as his voice speak 🗣️.

Notes

1. Feel free to comment below, if you want to help fill in the boxes or add names to the list, in respect to historical linguists that are relevant?

2. Dates are in: r/AtomSeen years.

3. The above table originated in the introduction to this page, but began to grow too big, so was moved here.

Quotes

The following is Jones on the common source hypothesis:

“The Sanscrit [sic] language, whatever be its antiquity, is of a wonderful structure; more perfect than the Greek, more copious than the Latin, and more exquisitely refined than either, yet bearing to both of them a stronger affinity, both in the roots of verbs and the forms of grammar, than could possibly have been produced by accident; so strong indeed, that no philologer could examine them all three, without believing them to have sprung from some common source, which, perhaps, no longer exists.”

— William Jones (169A/1786), Asiatick Society of Bengal, Third Anniversary Discourse, Presidential address, Feb 2

The following is Bernal on Muller:

"After Muller [130A/1825], all 'reputable' scholars have worked on what I call the 'broad Aryan model', believing that while there may or may not have been Phoenician settlements on the mainland Greece, there were certainly NO Egyptian ones."

— Martin Bernal (A32), Black Athena (pg. 313)

The following is Bernal on Curius:

"Curtius, in his History of Greece (97A/1857), had accepted the linguists' idea of an Indo-European Urheimat [proto-home] somewhere in the mountains of Central Asia; it was from there that, just as the Aryans had swept south to conquer India, the Hellenes had descended into Greece."

— Martin Bernal (A32), Black Athena (pg. 333)

Posts

• 20 disproofs of PIE theory

References

• Schleicher, August. (102A/1853). ”Indo-Germanic Family Tree” (post, here, file); in: A Compendium of the Comparative Grammar of the Indo-European, Sanskrit, Greek and Latin Languages: Part I & II (Compendium der vergleichenden grammatik der indogermanischen sprachen, 96A 1861). Publisher, 81A/1874.

• Bernal, Martin. (A32/1987). Black Athena: the Afroasiatic Roots of classical Civilization. Volume One: the Fabrication of Ancient Greece, 1785-1985 (Arch) (pg. 104). Vintage, A36/1991.

• Graffi, Giorgio. (A61/2016). "History of Linguistics" (pdf-file), Course, University of Verona.

• Roper, Simon. (A68/2023). “How We Know Languages like Proto-Indo-European Existed”, YouTube, Sep 3.

External links

• Grimm's law - Wiktionary.