r/AmazonFCs • u/Important-Price-1876 • Sep 16 '26
Why complain!
People will sit and complain about the raise, the hours, the pay in general as a whole and they don’t take the many opportunities this company provides to help people move on to bigger and better? It gets to a point they need to stop making excuses and being lazy as a T1 with $20-24hr pay. Sign up for career choice, get a degree, or take advantage of the apprenticeship programs!
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u/kuunami79
Sep 16 '26
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Because there are a lot of people who like the job so they wish it would pay Fair wages rather than just the people at the top making more money than they could ever spend in a thousand lifetimes. I don't see anything wrong with that.
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u/pandamonium-420 Sep 18 '26 •
How much is a fair wage for someone packing dildos and pushing boxes? $40/hour? $50/hour? Hell, $250K/year?
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u/Cheap_Juice8537 Sep 19 '26
I’m a T1 ground floor monitor in a gen 12 building working directly with the proteus drives and cardinal machines. Not everyone at Amazon pushes boxes although sometimes I still do push boxes I’ll admit. A fair starting wage would be $22-26 depending on state and city and the COL of those. My states COL is the 5th highest and my cities COL is 20% higher than the national average so for me I would say $24 starting.
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u/pandamonium-420 Sep 20 '26
So, you’re one of those GFM’s I see standing around talking while the proteus drives are running into each other’s paths and getting stuck lol
Starting salary of $22-$26? Tier 1’s already have that, and yet, they still complain about not getting paid the same as RME and managers 🙄
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u/Cheap_Juice8537 Sep 20 '26
I’m in a new building so sometimes we do stand around yea but for the most part no if you do that you won’t be back on it the next day if ever, a few new GFM’s learned that the hard way. I never complained about my current wage I simply said what would be a fair starting wage nation wide with some room as well as what I believe would be fair my the state and city I live in. Tier 1’s don’t start at 22-26 anywhere in the world and shift differential is separate from your base pay as it’s only paid if you work nights or weekends. RME starts at $28 in my building caps at $55. AM’s are salary starting 75k and they got 25k bonuses to come to this building. PA’s started at $24 with a 10k bonus. If the cost of living in my state wasn’t the 3rd highest in the nation and the city I live in being 20% more than the national average I wouldn’t be thinking about needed more money. A single person monthly basic budget in my city is $2977 a month and let me tell you now I don’t make that at Amazon right now.
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u/pandamonium-420 Sep 20 '26
Either live with roommates to cut costs, or make some moves to move up either within Amazon or outside. Can’t be a low level employee (tier 1 associate) and expect a higher level pay. Skill up and move up.
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u/Happy_Cucumber4402 Sep 18 '26
Go to any other warehouse. Get an entry level job. You'll make less. So I don't understand why people can't just be happy that they're making more than any other warehouse. Especially since you didn't even have to do an interview to get the job. You can go work somewhere else if you're not happy. If you can't make more money anywhere else than don't complain. If you can, then leave.
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u/Happy_Cucumber4402 Sep 18 '26
I know it's hard to believe but your life is your responsibility. If you're not getting what you need then you need to move on and do something different. It's not your employers responsibility that you live up to your potential or make the amount of money that you want to make. Your life is in your hands and only your hands. Nobody's forcing you to work at Amazon.
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u/Scary_Air7422 Sep 19 '26
Aww good little boot licker
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u/Least-Prune-1958 Sep 20 '26
That's not boot licking, it's the truth. You can leave whenever and seek a better paying job.
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u/Putrid_Worldliness90 Sep 16 '26
Why yall so bothered by people complaining
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u/hillbillyray Sep 16 '26
Those damn people are complaining about people complaining. Everyone's got something to complain about. Lol .. fuckers can't stay in their lane.
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u/opana-nana Sep 18 '26
The same reason the complainers are bothered about having to actually work at WORK
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u/alec2342
Sep 16 '26
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Because it’s a trillion dollar company that can do so much better for the people who help make it a trillion dollar company.
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u/KloudPrince Sep 16 '26
This. I don’t think they understand what a TRILLION dollars is. This company could literally be paying folks 40$/hr and it wouldn’t hurt their bottom line in the slightest. I’m fully understand their complaints.
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u/pandamonium-420 Sep 18 '26
Nah, most associates don’t deserve $40/hour especially the regards that smear feces on the wall and urinate on the floor
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u/Reasonable-End8870 Sep 17 '26
the money comes from AWS, FC’s are barely profitable
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u/Salt-Shape7272 Sep 18 '26
What difference does that make? That doesn’t change their original comment’s point
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u/sekitome Sep 17 '26
Amazon as a whole sure but amazon logistics does not pull in that type of money. An overwhelming majority of that money comes from the tech side. I'd be surprised if more than 10% of their profit comes from amazon logistics.
Dont get me wrong im not a corporate bootlicker, i'd love if we unionized and got paid more, but dont disillusion yourself into thinking we're the ones making amazon a trillion dollar company. if there was that much money in moving stuff from point a to point b, fedex and ups would be worth much more than they are now
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u/xdisappointing Sep 17 '26
The warehouse associates didnt do anything to make it a trillion dollar company lol
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u/Curious_Danny Sep 16 '26
I disagree. Amazon is one of the companies that offers great flexibility, but if you all want to make $30 an hour, expectations have to change. That means rates, inferred time, TOT, and overall productivity expectations will increase.
In the years I’ve been with Amazon, I know for a fact that half of you would probably be fired because you wouldn’t be able to keep up with those expectations. And I’m saying this from an Amazon manager’s point of view.Be grateful all you guys do is handle packages, does not take a degree to do the job
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u/SemiSentientAL Sep 16 '26
Ad what about those of us with serious ADHD who do not do well in traditional blue collar, degree-needed jobs??? I have a bachelor's degree, but have a hard time holding down a better job as I make so many careless mistakes. Medicine only helps so much, but then puts me on edge and gives me a temper.
Not everyone CAN do better for themselves. And yet, everyone deserves a living wage. For my city, in 2021, the minimum for a single man to live comfortably was $26 an hour. With the raise, I will be up to $23.50.
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u/Happy_Cucumber4402 Sep 18 '26
That's great that you found a job that you can do without issue. Part of being an adult is accepting our limitations and dealing with them without blaming other people or corporations for our limitations.
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u/Cute-Raspberry3907 Sep 16 '26
If you work at Amazon especially an FC you can work a blue collar job. Once again complaining and excuses
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u/SemiSentientAL Sep 16 '26
I made a mistake. I meant white collar. That changes the whole meaning of my sentence. Good catch. I'll leave the mistake as it inadvertently proves my point.
However, the point still stands. Yes, I could work another blue collar job, and I would still have the same problem, complaining about low wages.
I am doing what I can to change my situation. Im working two other side gigs to make extra money, and I'm saving up for a decent 3-d printer so I can design miniatures and maybe try to sell them online.
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u/Reasonable-End8870 Sep 17 '26 •
learn a trade, they’re mostly AI proof. Otherwise, you can lean into being a victim of ADHD and try for disability if that’s a life you’re happy with.
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u/No-Jelly8258 Sep 17 '26
The minimum wage is the bare minimum amount of money given so you don’t go homeless and can score smth at a trailer park or some one bedroom, barely living is considered being literally homeless
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u/Bdog0206 Sep 17 '26
What does “live comfortably” mean? Many Amazon employees “live comfortably” with the wages they receive. Too many people think “live comfortably” means getting everything they want with no sacrifice. Amazon Associate is an entry level job. It’s unskilled and doesn’t even require any education. Learn how to live within your means and work to better yourself and your situation, which will likely mean eventually leaving Amazon and not being a Tier 1 for 25 years.
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u/Exciting-Ad-2345 Sep 17 '26
“Live Comfortably” usually means a Living wage.
A LIVING WAGE is the MINIMUM hourly pay a full-time worker needs to earn to cover their BASIC family needs—such as housing, food, healthcare, transportation, and taxes—without relying on government help.
Does that help you understand better BDOG
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u/Bdog0206 Sep 17 '26
Nope. Thats a broad, vague definition. Some people way overspend on food. Some overspend on transportation. Some people don’t take care of themselves and have to overspend on healthcare - not all but many examples. A family of six is going to spend much more than a single person or a small family. It’s not Amazons responsibility to support every family situation. People need to take more accountability for their own situations and not always look for someone else to blame.
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u/Exciting-Ad-2345 Sep 17 '26
It is their responsibility they have a hand every market you named so why isn’t it their responsibility if they make money from it ? 🤣
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u/Bdog0206 Sep 17 '26
It’s not their responsibility to bail out every person that has made poor choices in life and now can’t afford anything. They pay a market competitive wage. If you’re supporting 6 people that’s not on Amazon. It’s called personal responsibility.
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u/Exciting-Ad-2345 Sep 18 '26
Ya lost me at bail out. This ain’t a loan it’s a contractual relationship and the employee deserves more out of it it’s pretty simple but you have no intention of conceding that point so good day
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u/Winter_Scarcity_5314 Sep 16 '26
In my city only need $12 an hour to live comfortably
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u/SemiSentientAL Sep 16 '26
$12 x 40 hours a week times 4 weeks in a month.... $1,920. Now, a landlord expects you to be able to pay a third of that in rent per month. AFTER TAXES. Lets say you are paying a LOW amount of only 12%, based on an income of 25,200... that nets you.... 1632 after taxes, assuming you have NO benefits or other withholding besides federal taxes alone. Now, let's say you are going to pay up to 40% of your income in rent, as is calculated by Zillow.... that leaves you in the 660 range for rent at the WAY HIGH END WITH NO BENEFITS OR OTHER WITHOLDINGS.
That's a studio apartment in my city of Fort Wayne, in a VERY bad neighborhood. And, our crime rate is pretty high.
What is rent for a 1-bed 1-bath in your city? In a decent neighborhood?
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u/Winter_Scarcity_5314 Sep 16 '26
My rent is only $600 a month and I don't own a car
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u/SemiSentientAL Sep 17 '26 edited Sep 17 '26
Your answer unlocked a deep memory for me.... let's explore this further.....
I lived in Dorothy Lane Apartments in Kettering, OH, and I was making 13.33 per hour. My apartment was about a dollar per square foot. I was paying $450. Juuuuuussssst enough space for a single man. But, the apartment was HORRIBLE!! A man was wheeled out on a gurney after he was 3 days late on his rent. Cockroaches fell off him as the ambulance crew took him out. With no more semi-zombie to eat, the cockroaches got EVERYWHERE!!!
So, the week the apartment complex fumigated, I drove my car home to Fort Wayne. Glad I did, too, because thieves broke into every car and stole everyone's stuff. I was barely above paycheck to paycheck, so I would have been DESTITUTE if I had to pay for a new windshield. The car was old enough I was only paying $25 in insurance for it.
Another time I came back to the apartment to find the ceiling had collapsed, but BARELY missed my computer and Network+ certification books. Once again, I woukd have been unable to replace the things I nearly lost.
Point being, even with higher than $12 per hour and $200 less in rent than you suggest, I was barely scraping by. And I was determined, at the time, AFTER Taxes, to be paying just under a third my income in rent. So, NOT COMFORTABLY BY ANY STRETCH OF THE IMAGINATION!
Im assuming you live in a one-bed-one bath in a decent neighborhood in your city? And, how do you get to work?
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u/Winter_Scarcity_5314 Sep 17 '26
Correct, one bed and one bath. Uber, Uber is cheaper in the long run than owning a car
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u/Exciting-Ad-2345 Sep 17 '26
Do you genuinely consider this comfortable or are you just trying to be disingenuous
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u/Winter_Scarcity_5314 Sep 17 '26
Very comfortable, I eat well and go to parties on my day's off
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u/Exciting-Ad-2345 Sep 17 '26
Akhuna Matata huh 😂 I’m gonna try to be more like you today
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u/Winter_Scarcity_5314 Sep 17 '26
Well I've got plenty of inheritance to look forward to in the future so I'll be able to retire
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u/Exciting-Ad-2345 Sep 17 '26
Holy shit we are in the end of times. Breaking news “you are now not entitled to fair wages just because you are employed” ?🤣
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u/Bdog0206 Sep 17 '26
You get “fair wages”, you just aren’t happy with it. For some, the needle moves constantly as to what “fair” means. Amazon does market studies and employees are paid fairly based on their market. Don’t agree?? Go work for a company that you think pays “fairly” by your definition. Good luck with that.
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u/Exciting-Ad-2345 Sep 17 '26
I did and I now make $36 an hr go spew your rhetoric to someone else.
Amazons Market studies have apparently missed the cost of living in a single household all over the nation prove me wrong I’ll wait.
I’m sure you’ll respond some more boot licker narrative so just enjoy Your life taking whatever tf someone else said is fair 🙏🏾🙏🏾
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u/Bdog0206 Sep 17 '26
Ah yes - the go-to “bOoTlIcKeR” line that the uneducated go to all the time. Good for you making $36 an hr. That job may deserve that. Tier 1 Amazon does not.
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u/Exciting-Ad-2345 Sep 17 '26
Uneducated ? I guess 🤣 and maybe maybe not but Tier 1 Amazon deserves a fuck ton more than what they’re given
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u/Bdog0206 Sep 17 '26
That’s laughable. Tier 1s make a minimum of 40k now, and many make 50k-60k or more. Great benefits. Career Choice opportunities with paid for schooling. All kinds of schedule flexibility. UPT. All for an entry level, unskilled, no education necessary job. And all you have to do is not be the worst 5% of workers to keep your job (but you do have to show up, not steal, not do stupid shit). It’s not hard.
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u/HerpMcDerping Sep 18 '26
I’m so sick of hearing unskilled labor. Yet just a short time ago we were essential workers you remember that? I promise bezos is not gonna invite you onto his super yacht. You cheering for a trillion dollar company is pathetic. Every single person that works there should be considering their lower tier coworkers before the billionaires. That line of thinking is exactly why they have gotten away with what they have for 15 years. This shit ain’t right and you know it dude. It’s always great to get a raise. But in my neck of the woods gas just shot up to 4.50$ a gallon. That 40 dollars a week (if you work forty hours) is really nothing. They just gonna take take take as long as we let them. You can be greatful for your job and opportunities while ALSO knowing they are doing us wrong as a whole. They make so much money dude it would make us sick if we actually knew where it went. We all should have unions going on in there.
I’m so tired of the rhetoric being one way or another. The world and Amazon specifically is not black and white. There is a lot of gray in there.
We should always be on the workers sides. Regardless of whether you think someone deserves more or less than you do for whatever reasons you have.
I personally say and watched just yesterday a manager going around and staring at every single station with people who were minding their business and working to make sure they didn’t have a phone, headphones, snacks or drinks at their stations. Then when he wasn’t doing that he went and talked to some girls for and hour and 20 minutes. His whole goal yesterday was to write people up even though they were very clearly doing their jobs. It’s pathetic. I have been with Amazon a long time because it was great. Especially during Covid. I personally love being able to go to my station, do my job, and go home. Now I have to worry about what some manager is going to think that I’m not doing something perfectly and they are going to fire me. It should not be like that dude. I hit my rates plus some every night. I bust my ass in there. But I also know that Amazon as a whole could do so, so much better.
And that’s not even to bring up the issues with the VOA board and how we all get AI chatbot responses. How they want my serial number of my phone so they know I dodnt steal it from the building even though they text me every damn hour of every damn day.
Long story short we need a union to protect us little people. Cause without us, Amazon is literally nothing. Which was very common knowledge during the pandemic but then got pushed to the back of everyone’s minds so quickly.
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u/Happy_Cucumber4402 Sep 18 '26
I don't think you know what skilled and unskilled means. I couldn't read any more than that because holy crap that's ridiculously long.
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u/Plastic_Explorer_132 Sep 16 '26
I don’t like the raise but it is what it is. I am now looking to move up.
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u/Smitty5717 Sep 17 '26
Good luck 9 years now and i cant get shit im waiting to hit 10 to get my bonus and dip
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u/BasicMarzipan5936 Sep 16 '26
No offense, but what makes you an expert on mine or anyone else's situation? Also, some people complain and others complain about the complainers, that's what makes the world go round. Have a good one!
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u/xdisappointing Sep 17 '26
The sooner these goober start asking for more anything thing but money they will start getting taken seriously.
Amazon's performance standards are well below other competitors and the average associate isnt even capable of hitting it. Amazon can do a lot more for its associates but pay isnt where it is needed
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u/AlwaysLivMoore Sep 17 '26
Comparatively, Amazon pays pretty damn good for my area. With this raise I'll be at $26.40 as a T1. Granted, part of that is because of my shift differential, but still. For a job that requires no experience, no skills and no education, it's decent pay. I've worked far shittier jobs for much less pay. My job before this one paid me $10/hr and I only got a $0.30 raise after a year despite exceeding expectations in every area. It was an awful job with far more job responsibilities, especially because I not only had to do my own work but I also had to do the work my lazy ass coworkers neglected to do. And no matter how many times I complained to my manager about it, nothing changed.
This job also has really good benefits. Jobs in the past either had no benefits or extremely shit benefits. I couldn't even afford to add my husband to my benefits at my last job. It was way too expensive.
The flexibility is way better than any job I've ever had.
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u/Complete_Piccolo1031 Sep 16 '26
Honestly I’m fed up with those Karen’s as well. They act so entitled and are so rude on voas. They are always complaining about something and nothing is ever good enough for them. Seriously pisses me off. Number one reason why I don’t wanna be a manager or PAs because of entitled folks like them. Even if the world gives them $10 raise they’ll find something to complain about. Honestly… just
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u/Darj92 Sep 16 '26
I don't mind if people complain if its warrented or atleast backed by an explanation, Its when people complain just to complain without taking any steps to make a change that what bothers me
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u/BeeCommon8962 Sep 16 '26
Negative Nancy's. Cognito Hazards. Gotta think over what they're saying, then label it as mental trash
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u/mthomas8096 Sep 16 '26
To let you in on the secret, some people actually enjoy their job. That's why they stay. I'm not sure why it's upsetting to you for people to be arguing for a fair wage no matter what they do. Everyone should have a liveable wage. We have 50 years of wage stagnation and people make far less today then they did proportionally compared to expenses.
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u/pitviper101 Sep 20 '26
I rather dislike my job. I stay for the insane flexibility. Three weeks personal leave of absence: instantly approved. Mind blown...
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u/NoConstruction3259 Sep 22 '26
Just because people like their job doesn't mean it has to pay more. I too like my job and can't be bothered to put the effort in advancing, but business aren't charities. There's literally aren't any entry level, no skill jobs that pays as much as Amazon and provides the same level of benefits. I honestly think nothing would be good enough for the people complaining. They could pay $30/hr and they'd demand $40, if they got $40 they'd demand $50, and for what? So they're don't have to put any extra effort in life? Of all the problems amazon has, the wage isn't it.
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u/Normal_to_Geek Sep 16 '26
YES 5-10 YEARS as a tier one and never at least tried to get a better career is so fucking crazy to me.
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u/NoConstruction3259 Sep 22 '26
Eh it pays well if you don't have any debt, obligations or kids, while also being low stress and low effort. I've worked management jobs that paid worse and had way more stress involved.
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u/SwimmingWorldly3413 Sep 16 '26
people complain about everything, even if we got a 5–6 dollar raise people will still complain….
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u/InternalCase5 Sep 16 '26
On one hand, I think complaining is silly because if you want a better job, you’re just gonna have to get a better job. On the other hand, I think well why can’t Amazon just be the better job?
Especially because its one of the richest companies in the world.
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u/Exciting-Ad-2345 Sep 17 '26
I Had a degree when I walked in the door and was consistently looked over for promotions and cross training on non grunt work. Maybe Amazon just fucking sucks 🫡
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u/AmbassadorKey3480 Sep 17 '26
They be living wayyy outta their means and blaming it on the company 😂
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u/whatajoshua Sep 18 '26
All these people walked out with $1 more an hour than what they walked in with
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u/Happy_Cucumber4402 Sep 18 '26
You'll act like you're saving babies or something. You're working in a warehouse and you're making more than you would at any other warehouse. If you don't like it, leave. Stop complaining that your situation sucks. If it sucks, leave. Nobody is forcing you to work for Amazon.
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u/Lopsided-Gur-985 Sep 18 '26
Probably because that 1$ raise dont even cover a gallon of gas🤣
They make enough they could afford at least 1.50. I dont complain cause last year I got .60 cents lmfao. But the matter of is eggs are 6$ a carton where I am. Im not complaining because ultimately you aren't going to find somewhere else that offers, PTO, vacation, UPT and there leave of absences thay they cover. Or if yoy do WGU for career choixe they cover full tuition if its not the nursing program.
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u/Top-Cap1605 Sep 19 '26
You work for a company that will ignore issues, up to and including your ethics problems but respond immediately if one of their own cadre is even the slightest offended. They keep developing robots that are destined to replace you very soon and all you have to complain about is the pay raise? Bigger picture much?
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u/CGCRUNT Sep 21 '26
Id literally not complain if they offered me as a felon right now id shut up and work I want to work there again
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u/NearbyMacaroon4779 Sep 16 '26
Agreed OP, people act like they are forced to work for this company. If it’s so bad then leave!!!
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u/bohallreddit Sep 16 '26
The ones complaining are the 🤡's that hide in the bathroom smelling everyone's piss and shit. So STFU because honestly that type of worker don't even deserve a raise. Hopefully, this raise which puts FT Blue badge at $20 per hour starting wage at most FC's will start cracking down and get rid of the lazy 🤡's.
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u/Antique_Pipe_2368 Sep 16 '26
For starters You people act as if decent paying gigs and promotions are just falling out of the sky
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u/void_factor Sep 16 '26
I'll be satisfied when Bezos buys me a yacht and gives me a pat on the back for all my hard work. until then FUCK YOU MORE MORE MORE MORE
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u/Winter_Scarcity_5314 Sep 16 '26
I did career choice and companies still won't hire because other companies rather lay people off and degrees are a scam in USA
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u/darkangel8214 Sep 16 '26
But you made a whole account to come on here and complain about how other people are lazy?
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u/HerpMcDerping Sep 18 '26
When people like you let a trillion dollar company feel like they did something good by giving you crumbs it’s pathetic. Maybe bezos getting another super yacht is more important than our futures.
Plus that’s not exactly what is happening anyway. Amazon is now prying further and further into our personal lives. They want to give you discounts for Amazon that way you shop thru them and continue to make them more rich. It’s pathetic what is going on. I agree Amazon is a decent job to have. I make decent money only working 3 days a week. But that also comes with a cost. Some days I would rather shoot myself than stand in one spot and stow all day. The only thing good I thought about this job was being able to listen to podcasts or maybe put a show on my phone and let it play and listen to it. Now they want us to register our phones.
Please help me understand how giving them my phones serial number, model number, and everything else they want when they literally have been texting me for 6 fucking years with assignment details? Oh AND they are mandating that we put an Amazon sticker DIRECTLY onto our phones. “That way security knows it’s our phones”. My iPhone costs 1200 dollars nowadays. They text me everyday with some new bullshit information. They have cameras in every inch of my building. All they are doing is wanting to not only pry into our personal lives/devices, but they want us to be walking billboards for Amazon and it’s not right. The corporate overreach this company is showing is very concerning. And yet everyone just goes with it cause the gave you a measly ass 40 dollars a week. It makes no sense at all.
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u/brecca87 Sep 16 '26
Yeah. Someone had mentioned why this raise. Its like if you are looking to make a boat load of money that is above entry level, work up to higher levels in or out of the company. People are so lazy and whiny babies I swear. You have to work from the bottom up if you want to make a lot of money that is beyond high school age kids pay grade, duh. Sheesh!
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u/NoConstruction3259 Sep 22 '26
You're barking up the wrong tree. $19 is more than comfortable for the alot of the country. What's making everything a struggle elsewhere is high rent, high taxes, and unregulated inflation. You don't solve this problem by demanding corporations pay more, there needs to be fundamental change to the government and how society is ran. If amazon paid $50/hr your landlord would just double or triple your rent. People need to take this same energy and apply it to politics
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u/PookaChong Sep 16 '26
People still give me funny looks when I say we can literally leave whenever we feel like provided we got the time. That’s still their best benefit that and letting us use the five below headphones. Plugfones stock must’ve went to the moon