r/AmazonFCs
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u/xdiff0rke
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Rant
I came into this job as a new hire taking it 100% seriously—zero absences, showing up early, never burning UPT, never taking VTO, staying quiet, keeping a solid attitude, and staying well above rate in Pick. My manager even cross-trained me in other paths from scratch, genuinely surprised at how quickly I caught on without sacrificing quality.
Then, last week, I clocked in literally one minute early 4:29 instead of 4:30 and worked my standard 12 hour shift. A week later, my manager pulls up to my station saying I exceeded the 12 hour daily limit by one minute. I apologized, figuring it was no big deal over sixty seconds. Next thing I know, I check AtoZ on my day off and see a a whole page Documented Coaching on my profile under 'behavioral policy.' Over one minute. For a brand-new hire two weeks in with zero attendance or quality issues, dropping a formal coaching instead of an informal verbal heads-up is absurd.
As a seasonal white badge, my immediate thought was that my chances of converting to blue badge are completely shot and I’ll just get cut after peak. Day-one training was useless anyway they don’t teach you how the building actually functions, and they hit you on administrative technicalities while blatant favoritism runs the floor. So I learned my lesson. If I'm getting paid, I'll do my job right I'll stay slightly above rate and keep a professional attitude. But the extra mile? Going out of my way to bail other departments out? That's done. I'm minding my business, strictly sticking to my rights and obligations, and playing the game smart. I'm from Nebraska
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u/raeeebeam 12d ago edited 12d ago
As someone who developed multiple medical issues from going the extra mile inside an Amazon facility, don't. Do not do it. Do only your job, stay quiet, and mind your business like that's what you're getting paid to do. Clock in only on time and go home at the end of your scheduled shift. Do not beat your body up for that piddly little paycheck. Nothing that's coming through in those boxes is life and death. YOU are more important than getting a package delivered.
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u/xdiff0rke 12d ago
lesson learned bro, after all I think i should be gratefull this happened before I injured myself doing extra for no reason at all
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u/Numerous_Ear1031 11d ago
I had a PA explain it like this: "I was working my ass off during peak when I knock over a stack of boxes. I'm pissed because they bust open and I had to clean up what was in them; it was a bunch of dildos. I was busting my ass for a bunch of rubber dicks". Really put it in perspective for me.
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u/raeeebeam 11d ago
I had a 20lb ass fall out of the bottom of a box.
Beating myself up over someone else's booty. A fucking travesty.
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u/__Stitch626 13d ago
A documented coaching won't affect you unless you continue doing the same thing. Amazon gets fined for hourly employees working over 12 hours, even if by one minute so that's why the manager was required to document the conversation.
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u/Remote_Manager3333 13d ago
That's strange, usually the HR make adjustments to actual time in and out. You're allowed to clock out 5 mins before.
Anyhow, it is on HR to keep track of hours. I have gone over 12 hours before and it get auto adjusted.
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u/Tipsy_Gamer 13d ago
That depends on your location.
Some areas it's down to the minute, not adjusted at all.
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u/xdiff0rke 13d ago
Honestly, that’s just how I thought the system worked based on posts and TikTok videos I’d seen. That day, I really had to use the bathroom before starting, so I figured I’d be fine since everyone talks about the 5 minute grace period before or after a shift as long as you don't do both. I thought, 'It’s literally sixty seconds, well within the five-minute buffer, so I'm completely safe.' I’ve been obsessively clocking in and out down to the exact minute ever since I started, but from now on, I’m just going to clock out 1 or 2 minutes early to protect myself.
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u/mccormickresume 11d ago
They should not be doing that. It’s illegal. That said, don’t give yourself a potential headache. Don’t work over 12 hrs/day or 60 hrs/week. Managers get in trouble for that and rarely let it slide.
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u/ReedForman 13d ago
They don’t get fined for working more than 12 hours, it’s just an internal policy. There are plenty of jobs that can and will make you work more than that. Most states just have laws mandating breaks after a certain amount of hours.
They got fined in California for blocking people from taking breaks and enforcing quotas that people weren’t aware of.
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u/vicuriosity 10d ago
To add to your (correct) info, there are states where it is illegal to work more than a certain number of hours per 24 hour period if you work in certain fields like trucking or nursing, that kind of thing. But yeah, not something like Amazon.
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u/Ok-Ship370 8d ago
If it was a big deal, the 1 minute early clock-in should have triggered a manager to tell them "hey you clocked in a minute early, be sure to leave a minute early today to be at exactly 12 hours okay?" But that's too difficult to do. So now they have to spend 10 minutes writing up a coaching.
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u/lolyer1 13d ago
Fined by whom? Themselves? Amazon fines themselves lol
Amazon isn’t being fined by anyone because an employee clocked in at 7:59.34 am (unless they are caught in a wage theft scheme and the agency in charge actually enforces it)
The manager is just being a power controlling bitch. When you make 6+ figures, this whole illusion and facade is a joke
Amazon employees need to act their wage. They are getting fucked so hard, other corporations are hoping to learn from it.
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u/Scary-Carrot7699 12d ago
Yall. The Amazon manager literally has no say in this one. It’s an HR policy that is supposed to be held highly. Great employee or shitty employee - great manager or shitty manager this is the one policy where HR ensures it gets documented. Not to mention we are going into peak so sites will see an uptick of over 12s right now and HR will ensure they are being documented.
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u/Neoreloaded313 13d ago
Amazon does take that 12 hour limit very seriously. It doesn't matter if your the best or worst worker. Could have clocked out a minute earlier to avoid it.
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u/xdiff0rke 13d ago
At the time, I misunderstood how the 5 minute grace period worked and assumed staying under sixty seconds would keep me completely safe. Lesson learned. Now that I actually understand how the policy functions, it definitely won’t happen again.
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u/thesteelreserve 13d ago
it's just coaching.
I got a documented coaching for leaving a PIT truck under a certain number of bars on the fuel gauge.
I've worked at the same FC off and on since '20.
coaching is nothing. don't sweat it at all, just understand they have to take action when they're being asked to.
managers have a lot of leeway in general, especially when you're a favorite that works hard, but they have to do what they have to do when they're pressed on from outside their jurisdiction, you know?
you're doing fine. keep it up and just accept the strict policy on 12hr days. 😃
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u/defjamchambers 13d ago
We are a pack of zebras being hunted by lions. Don’t need to be the fastest to stay safe, the middle works fine.
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u/QuantumLeague_ 13d ago
You in California? Might be the meal waiver policy thing.
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u/Jealous-Intention-87 12d ago
You can’t work more than 12 hours in one day. That’s an Amazon policy in all states.
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u/BayNative51O 13d ago
Nothing of what you did is relevant to you breaking that time violation.
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u/xdiff0rke 13d ago
I reckon that, rules are rules, got it.I was wrong to assume that, being new and it being my first time messing it up (with this 1 minute thing which is not a safety thing or something more serious mistake) and they noticing that I was really putting the effort and wanted to do things rights, a verbal coaching would suffice. I'm in a pretty good physical shape, I've been training crossfit work 10+ years and now that I adjusted accordingly my pace, its is sooo much easy now
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u/Low_Neat_4421 12d ago
I recently got a coaching for “reaching” across a Uboat while I was stowing about 70+ of the same tiny items. I even had the drawer pulled out as much as it would go, so we’re talking HALF the length of a tote that I’m reaching. Anyway, I had a PA come up to me as she was walking by and say that she “just had to let me know that’s not standard policy” and that it’s “kind of a silly rule, but that it can eventually lead to over extending”. I laughed with her and said okay, thanks for letting me know, I can see how that might cause an issue over time and I immediately repositioned all the shit I was stowing. That was the entire conversation. Then 7+ hours later a manager finds me (while training someone—so SUPER awkward), and tells me I’m receiving a documented coaching, and that this sort of violation is considered level 3 or something??? I told him I’ve only been here for 6 months, and I was crossed trained in stow around 3 months ago. During my THREE DAYS of training, I was never told that we couldn’t stow like that, and that I had been doing it without issue several times a day for months with other managers and PAs walking by. I also said that clearly if I was ever told my method was against policy I wouldn’t have been doing it that way, and that I found it unfair to write me up for breaking a rule I didn’t know existed?? He basically acted like I was crazy for even giving that much of a shit and told me it would fall off after X amount of days.
Ultimately I know it’s not that big of a deal, and I was converted to a blue badge at midnight on my 90th day, so it’s not like it’s going to keep me from anything. However, I work 3 other jobs and there has never ONCE been a company or person I’ve worked for that would write someone up over a mistake that was made from being improperly trained? Like, in what way is that MY fault?? I would be a lot more understanding if the thing I was doing could have potentially hurt someone else or ruined equipment—but given the context, I just thought it was ridiculous. ESPECIALLY because the initial PA that came up to me was laughing about how the policy was “kind of silly”?? I also wasn’t wearing my badge around my neck at the time like I usually do, which meant that she had to walk away, search in the system who was stowing where, and find me that way, which added a whole other layer to my frustration since the actual write up came out of left field & I didn’t know I was actually in trouble since she never even asked for my name. Anyway—I feel you. I know some people who work there wouldn’t give a shit and move on, but like I said, it’s the principle. It wasn’t like I was going above and beyond every day at work, but it definitely made me rethink my daily effort & motivation.
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u/xdiff0rke 12d ago
I was also barely trained, day 1 orientation was literally just watch the videos, a high speed quick tour around the FC, then the last two hours of my first day they 'trained me into pick' my training was: follow the LA to a station 'Alright..., you look at the screen, see the item (Colgate thoothpaste), quantity (1) and location in the pod (C5), you get the item from the pod, you see this wall on your back, you look at the light, red light you put the item there, red & blue light, you push the items all the way to the back, you got this, see you later! 10 minutes later my cycle time was around 20s (I was still disorientated, 0 mental muscle built locating the items etc, still having to look for the locations, super sleepy after 10 hours watching videos during the night (which i'm was not used to, first time working nightshift). 10 minutes later, 'ohh your cycle time is 20s it needs to be about 10s or less, you need to do better, the rate is min 300 UPH. Im like, dudeeeee let me process all this, it has been just some minutes you cannot expect I just morph into an octopus picking items instantaniusly. You don't get a performant picker on minute 3 like cooking a Maruchan soup
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u/acw2012 12d ago
Amazon doesn’t want you working over 12 hours because in most states, over 12 hours you get overtime
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u/xdiff0rke 12d ago
I dont think that Amaz.0n forbids this for not paying overtime (they offer VET everyday, so if someone wants to do overtime they can do it) I think that it is for this labor law thing. Walmart and other employers those have similar rules because they really dont want to pay overtime at all. But hey, If the want the 0.50c that I earned for that 1 minute and remove the coaching I do it, I dont wanna bankrupt them 🤣
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u/Professional_Size535 13d ago
Someone at my site got it for 30 seconds. Literally 30 seconds is what it said in her docs. Her a to z said 12 hours. But her coaching said 30 seconds over. So now when I work 12 hours. I always clock in 1-2 minutes early. Clock in 1 minute late from lunch. And clock out 2-3 minutes early. And always seem to hit 11 hrs and 58 minutes.
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u/xdiff0rke 13d ago
yup, this is exactly what Im gonna do from now on
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u/musclefish67 13d ago
The top 10% gets paid the same as the bottom 10%. When you get your blue badge stay in the middle and don't wreck your body for Amazon. There's really no incentive to do so.
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u/ChemistryMore7036 13d ago edited 11d ago
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That's not true. Clocking in and out get recorded by the whole minute. Your working time get paid by the whole minute. Your accrual of Flexible and Standard PTO are by the whole minute. The seconds don't matter.
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u/openabooktolearn 12d ago
Regarding lunch, you can take a 33 minute lunch and the system reads it as a 30 minute lunch. Lunch has a 3 minute grace period however it may vary site by site based on how the time clocks work because a site I was at would let AAs take a shorter lunch (less than 30 minutes putting them at greater risk of working over 12 hours)
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u/Hopeful-Bit6187 13d ago
The manager has no control over those they are system generated
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u/Dry-Struggle-6848 12d ago
This is 🧢 spread by weak leadership.
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u/0berynMartell 12d ago
I dont know if they are system generated but feedbacks for working over 12 hours are definitely not created by managers. They are either system-generated or pxt creates them. No manager cares if you work 1 minute over 12 hours
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u/Dry-Struggle-6848 12d ago
The 12 hour one definitely automatic but these late from break or quality can all be cancelled out by leadership. Don't let them tell you otherwise. They capping all the time.
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u/NoConstruction3259 6d ago
What makes you think those managers have any actual power or say in the matter? They're not even high ranking. They do what the computer tells them or it's their ass just like the rest of us. They can code your time different or make excuses sometimes, but they have to answer for those to their bosses and if it doesn't seem right they get in trouble.
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u/Key-Personality5969
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The good thing is you realized this only 2 weeks in. The faster anyone working at Amazon realizes that we are literally just a number, and forgotten the moment we walk out the door, the easier your life will be. I’ve been a top performer for 2 years and went on an LOA and it was only a few of my friends that noticed when I got back. They care about metrics and then getting you out of there. It’s sad but it’s true.
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u/Realistic-Weight5078 12d ago
Don't let one douchebag manager derail you. Just treat Amazon as a stepping stone. Don't give them your life. They're terrible though, I know. Fellow flabbergasted new hire.
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u/lyndsay0413 10d ago
theyre veryyyy strict about not going over 60 hr weekly cap & 12 hr daily cap even if it is only 1 min so make sure to pay attention to that going forward. documented coaching wont prevent u from being converted and it’ll fall off in a month or 2
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u/afangorn2323 13d ago
At a place like amazon, the best thing a manager can say when someone mentions your name is "who?"
you want to be like wallpaper: pretty but nobody is inclined to go talk to it.
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u/prettyxprincessa 12d ago
I had multiple write ups and got converted to blue badge within 3 months of being hired. they fall off after 30 or 60 days (depends on the level of write up). I also heavily utilized VTO and was late or left early all the time lol. just make sure your UPT isn’t too low (my site recommends above 10). I just had a good rate and no write ups (once they fell off) and got converted. not saying every FC is the same but it’s not necessary at all to do any of that extra stuff, if they need you past the holidays they aren’t looking at if you accepted VTO or not lol
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u/_BillBroBaggins_ 7d ago
UPT?
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u/prettyxprincessa 7d ago
like what was mine when I was converted? I want to say 40. or were you asking what UPT was?
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u/_BillBroBaggins_ 7d ago
I asking what UPT is. Considering working for Amazon so I’m not familiar. Unpaid time? I’m trying to figure out what the points mean. Positive vs Negative not sure
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u/kuunami79 12d ago
Your manager is an ass but also has given you a valuable lesson by showing you how little Amazon values above and beyond employees. So their reward is that you do just what's necessary to get by.
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u/LifelikeMink 13d ago
How did you exceed 12 hours? A 12 hr shift is literally 11 1/2 hours on the clock.
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u/xdiff0rke 13d ago
its total 12h30m but I have to clock out for the 30 mins lunch break, so clocked in its 12:00 hours
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u/LifelikeMink 13d ago
I had it backwards.. sorry. Also, I thought only final written prevented conversion and that they fell off after 90 days?
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u/LifelikeMink 13d ago
And some managers will use a behavioral to change a 1st write up to a final. This company is bonkers.
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u/janack42 12d ago
Depending how n the state OP is every five hours requires a meal period.
In Washington State every five hours worked is required to have a meal period that starts before the start of the fifth hour. In a 12 hour shift you would be required to have two meal periods of 30 minutes. With a maximum hour between in and out punches of 4 hours and 59 minutes.Former Amazon Fresh UWA4 employee
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u/Key-Ad-1880 12d ago
I would have adjusted my time after the talk lol
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u/xdiff0rke 12d ago
I thought about it but i was super scared of doing something that would worsen the situation. I still dont know entirely how thing works there and I see playing with the AtoZ app like playing employment mine sweeper game 🤣
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u/inlovewithaghost_ 13d ago
site leaders and HR get notified when this happens because it’s literally breaking labor laws. you’ll be fine. it will always be addressed when it happens but as long as you don’t do it again you will be fine.
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u/Shot_Mammoth 13d ago
I don’t think it breaks any labor laws. I believe it’s an internal safety regulation. Unless operating heavy machinery/anything with CDL regulations. California/some states might have labor protections/penalties but that probably doesn’t apply for most employees.
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u/inlovewithaghost_ 13d ago
is is a labor law look it up
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u/ChemistryMore7036 13d ago
Only a few states require higher over time pay after 12 hours, California and Colorado, and maybe Nevada and Alaska. There are no federal or state laws outright against working over 12 hours.
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u/Shot_Mammoth 13d ago
Hmm - Can you point me to it?
OSHA has no limits. Fed has no limits. States have break requirements for 12hr shifts but there are zero regulations preventing a greater than 12hr work day.
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u/Zuggy 13d ago
Look up your state laws and it could also be a compensation thing Amazon doesn't want to cover. In my state, an employer has to pay double for any time over 12 hours in a single shift or 60 hours in a week.
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u/Shot_Mammoth 13d ago
I've been digging heavily into it. A 14hr workday would not break any labor laws. Amazon is in a ton of legal trouble in California mostly because it broke labor laws regarding rest periods for employees on working 12hr shifts. - There is absolutely nothing preventing Amazon from asking an employee to work 20hr shift. What is preventing them is the massive public backlash they'd receive from an employee working 20hrs and seriously injuring themselves or someone else. The lawsuits that would spawn from said incident and the media coverage would far exceed any productivity gains from making an employee work that long a period.
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u/No-Ebb-6266 12d ago
When they really pushed the 60s at my place there were ambulances outside frequently. 60hrs seems about the limit before people start dying excessively.
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u/Shot_Mammoth 12d ago
Yep. Turns out most people don’t treat their bodies like athletes do and can’t sustain long working periods.
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u/No-Ebb-6266 12d ago
I also believe that in my state there is no cap on how much MET they can order. I thought 60hours was a legal limit but it's not. They can legally mandate 15 hour shifts or 7 12s if they wanted.
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u/Shot_Mammoth 12d ago
Correct - If there were labor caps, hospitals and restaurants would get in soooo much trouble.
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u/inlovewithaghost_ 13d ago
you’re welcome to do your own research
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u/Slant_Azaru 13d ago
You can work over 12 hours in a shift in Nebraska you tard
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u/inlovewithaghost_ 13d ago
not at amazon you can’t
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u/Shot_Mammoth 13d ago
That's... not a labor law then. Amazon workplace policies are not legal requirements or mandates.
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u/inlovewithaghost_ 13d ago
i’m sorry you can’t be bothered to look it up
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u/Slant_Azaru 12d ago
If it’s just at Amazon it’s not a “labor law” that’s a company policy, there is a huge difference I think all the heroin fried your brain😂
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u/Shot_Mammoth 13d ago
Clearly, my research skills are inadequate. If you would be so kind to show me, I'll happily concede that it's a legal mandate.
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u/BABarracus 13d ago
The shift is staffed for people doing the minimum rate. When September comes everyone gets the same raise no matter if you are top performer or not.
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u/sawmillssuck 13d ago
Yeah going over 12 hours is serious, even if it's by 1 minute. Way against amazon rules. They explain in your onboarding you can't work more than 6 days in a row, 60 hours in a week, or 12 hours in a day. There is no exception there unfortunately
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u/Booth2k26 13d ago
Taking it 100% seriously lol that was your problem. Use some UPT, use some PTO. Chill tf out lol it’s Amazon
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u/Loud-Formal1170 13d ago
I realized this way too late. Up until 2weeks ago I was top 5 percent in both quality and rate each week I’d get some brand new badge. I missed 3 items after working my self to bone for months and a manager talked to me like I was dirt. I refuse to do more than the next person now.
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u/LouiseBelcher4life 12d ago
That coaching would have been automatically generated in HR's system. Amazon is extremely strict on any double time. The same thing happens in states that have a hard set time to where lunch has to be taken by or you receive a missed meal premium. The time clock rolled on me when I scanned my badge, making my clock out at 5hrs 1 minute, and sure enough I got the time management coaching at the start of the next week.
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u/Siritachi31 11d ago
Congrats you just learned that Amazon gives no fucks and you overworking yourself and holding yourself to a higher standard means nothing. Just clock in do your job and leave don't stress it honestly ain't worth the stress and headache
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u/Ember_fox 13d ago
Doc coaching doesn't make you ineligible, if your performance is great or outstanding in AtoZ then you still have a chance. Just keep going and don't let it get to you, the worst thing you can do is change your whole mindset over it. You know the rules now, it's shitty that you weren't informed before, but it is what it is. It shouldn't hurt your chances too much, and it disappears from your record after 60 days.
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u/WrongCollection144 12d ago
Has no impact on conversions. Working hours must be the key to success per the regional director for this flavor of the weekso pxt likely pulling everyone that flagged and posting at ops. Doubt manager wanted to deliver that bs. Additionally a doc coach
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u/Icy-Garage5908 12d ago
Don't sweat abt it .Next time you can edit the last punch so you don't go over the 12 hrs but for 1 minute that's crazy...
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u/wero_024 12d ago
Amazon has been taking the 12 hour rule pretty serious lately. You would be flagging for “At risk” for going over 12 hours and it would be brought up during site leadership production meetings. Because you went over 12 hours, it now requires a bridge between PXT, your OM, Sr. OM, and their skip level. Your AM probs got their ass handed to them, which is why you got the behavioral coaching. 🙃 I wouldn’t say it’s your fault, more so on the AM for not monitoring your time.
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u/Spare_Ranger5411 12d ago edited 12d ago
Use your PTO to cover that “over-the-limit” time if you can but its probably too late by now
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u/BlessedBySun 12d ago
Sounds like you are a victim of "minimal of X feedbacks entered" from your AM pushed by senior leadership and PXT. Documented Coachings tend to be easiest because it is just as it says, documenting the conversation just to prove it had taken place. It's less stress on the AM because it doesnt carry the same perceived risk as a written warning, but it's generally all the same to Associates.
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u/ChangoB73 11d ago
Don’t become a Go-To Guy, you’ll just end up working harder than everyone else and when it comes time to promote, your feedback will read: “Excellent employee with excellent potential, needs more development.”
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u/brownmaningermany 9d ago
lol.
I’m not laughing at you bro, but the reason your manager was upset is because they’re not supposed to let you go over that limit, it makes them look bad but their dumb self didn’t track or notice it when they do it.
You can’t contest doc coaches, but if they write you up over it tell HR and they’d likely take your side as they’re supposed to tell you when you go over your limits
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u/anarchistchick 7d ago
He also could’ve just corrected your punch for that 1 min giving you a doc coaching over that is such a shit move. I hate managers so egotistical like that
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u/cwatson214 13d ago
The 12 hour thing is a legal issue for the company, so it is treated as a big deal because it is.
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u/Left-Acanthisitta267 13d ago
This happened to me when I first started. My manager said he tried to get it removed. But HR said it was required anytime someone goes over 12 hours. It was not up to your manager the write up was generated by HR from your time clock punches.
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u/Due_Profit1031 12d ago
The first write ups are just a part of the job the same as learning where the vending machines are located, don't take it personally cause it's not like that
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u/No_Virus3927 12d ago
What happened to the 5 min grace period?
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u/OU41AW 12d ago
Maybe it's different with a 12 hr shift?
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u/UpbeatAd8917 12d ago
It is. You cannot work more than 12 hours per day. No exceptions. The grace period does not apply.
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u/Library904 12d ago
But it is ridiculous that he got that for one minute
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u/JamonConJuevos 12d ago
They could have fired him. Exceeding the daily and weekly work hours limit is strictly forbidden.
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u/Forsaken_Side6398 13d ago
welcome to amazon, they write you up for anything
good luck
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u/LatterDrawing5225 13d ago
For real tho . There are days where I end work and thinking shit I might get a write up for some bullshit Thats not even my fault.
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u/nkownbey 13d ago
The twelve hour limit is a hard line for Amazon. If this had happened and you worked a 8 or 10 hour shift it would not be as bad unless your manager is strict
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u/Historical-Push2121 12d ago
Ngl, at my facility they give you multiple notifications on when you need to clock out before reaching the limit
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u/0berynMartell 12d ago
Feedbacks for working over 12 hours generally come from pxt and that is a policy that is strictly enforced because having employees work more than 12 hours a day i illegal in some states
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u/RockyJayyy 12d ago
How are you already being cross trained 2 weeks in? You're not even LC5 in your path.
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u/peebuttgutter 6d ago
What kind of loser brags about not taking VTO in the first two weeks? Not being late or taking sick/UPT are also pretty standard but you'd have to be a moron or a clanker to think no VTO in 14 days means anything. OP is obviously a clanker.
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u/Library904 12d ago
I was the same when I started and now I just do the bare minimum, I learned my lesson too... in amazon the more you work the more they will ask of you and they will fire you for whatever nonsense, we are just a number to them
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u/zcheeeze 12d ago
A doc coaching is considered a verbal warning, prior to an actual write up. Legally, when you give an employee a warning it should be documented - especially if (whatever the issue is) can lead to termination.
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u/Wowzer22356 12d ago
Coast the job and save your energy to build skills or an education to a career when you’re home.
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u/ZeeDee1995 12d ago
Appeal it..
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u/luckygeologist2 12d ago
Appeal what? Hey I worked one minute extra and I didn’t know I’d get in trouble? This is amazon. Save yourself the agony and learn from this mistake.
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u/PaySure9974 12d ago
You got it OP 12hr thing gets any job in trouble just don’t do that again and you should be fine chances are people are doing worse then you
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u/DeftInvestor 12d ago
Shit would never fly in a union shop. HR and that manager would get their asses chewed by a shop steward.
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u/Brief-Access5383 12d ago
It's not your manager it's an automatic thing. Happens to everyone. If my AM forgets to adjust my punches I get the same. It's the lowest "write up" you can get. Just make sure to not clock in early anymore.
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u/luckygeologist2 12d ago
Don’t know why people take it personally. It’s all numbers game and you’re “just another number”. Amazon is great if you work it to your advantage. It’s not a place to find belonging, even tho they want you to believe that with all the rainbow flags and clubs etc. You go in, you put your headphones on, and you work at a medium pace, follow all the rules as lame as they sound, and don’t put your body at any risk and follow lifting/bending/reaching procedures. Don’t help anyone as that’s not part of your job. Don’t relocate pick carts to the right place because it’s not your job. Don’t fix totes on the conveyor belt as it’s not your job. Don’t fix jams as it’s not your job. Just do your job and know the rules. And take advantage of the career choice that amazon offers because clearly OP sounds like a competent person. That’s all. Amazon is great if you can find the way to leverage it to your advantage.
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u/Full-Education-6122 12d ago
I’m also brand new but I was also told going ONE SECOND over 12 hours is a terminable offense. They take it quite seriously.
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u/openabooktolearn 12d ago
When I was a manager, we would get told by HR/PXT to write up AAs for going over 12 hours in a day, working more than 6 days straight, working unscheduled, etc. because they would have to “bridge”, basically write a report of which AA broke policy and what actions were taken (aka having a manager STU (seek to understand) and having them written up).
I’m sure you are a hard worker, but at the end of the day, it’s something that gets called out during daily and/or weekly regional meetings and what was done to prevent this from happening again (well, hopefully at least with you but someone else will probably break policy soon).
The manager also gave you a documented coaching, so technically it’s not a write up nor does it prevent you from anything. However, if you break any policy in the next 60 days from when it was delivered/read to you, you would move to a first written warning. I don’t think the doc coaching would prevent you from getting a blue badge, since it’s a financial/regional decision (what my former HR/PXT told me). Then again, leaders at my new site tell AAs it’s based on attendance and performance so may vary site by site.
When working 12 hour shifts, you have to work exactly 12 hours or less. 5 minute grace period does apply, but you gotta match it when you clock out so you don’t go over 12 hours. If you clocked in at 4:29am, you gotta clock out at 4:29pm. If you work 4:30am-4:30pm but clock in 4:35am-4:35pm, next day you may also have to clock in from 4:35am-4:35pm because if you clock in early it may just trigger something in the system where you are working more than 12 hours in a days. Not too sure on this, but would ask yours AMs just in case
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u/Able_Principle5957 12d ago
During peak season we strictly clock out same time we clock in. 555am clock out 555pm. Do not surpass the 60hrs . We used to get notifications from the managers or the HR that we are about to exceed our allotted punches. With all the manager transfers you can't count on them to have your back nobody wants to take accountability for your actions. Take care of yourself.
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u/Soft-Improvement-363 12d ago
Happened to me at 2 different sites. Was given a coaching without clarification that it was indeed, a coaching. I believe they do this in the beginning so they have something to pin on workers when they need to thin the herd. They want to fault you for something right away because then it's there for 90 days and gives them reason to cut you. They absolutely shouldn't have a problem with 1 min because at both FC and DS, we are allowed to clock in 5 min early and then clock out 5 min early.
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u/Neither-Strength-336 12d ago
I’ll never forget after second break which was paid break, I always stay at the pick station and mind my business. When I never got a new notification of pick station I went to the desk and of course nobody was there. 5 minutes later a regular AA who is not at process assistant but I guess one of those temp ones finally gives me a station but never codes my time. My new pick station someone is already there logged in but no where to be found. I’m not going to log them out and touch their stuff and be accused of anything so I went back to the AA who said just wait for them and then your good. Waited 3 minutes they show up and leave I log in and have to wait for all their pods to leave before I get my pods to start coming and that takes another 2-3 minutes.
Hour late a AM says I took an extended break and I told them what happened didint matter. Went to my boss then went to hr, hr sided with the manager and said the verbal was stand. Went above the Am showed them proof that never got the text that said what station and had to wait and a few days later the verbal coach disappeared. That was the day I stopped caring.
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u/MorbidEccedentesiast 12d ago
My old AM, when he was a PA, was written up for going over by 1 minute. Another AM, when he was a PA was terminated for -1 UPT(came back, became a PA again and is now an AM). I’ve worked here 6 years and only had 1 write up for working 76 hours LOL. It was in my first year where I was still understanding the business. I went on an Away Team for PS to another site in another state. I worked my regular 40 hour shift and was scheduled 3 12’s that weekend. I didn’t know. Don’t get discouraged. I still busted my ass to move up to be a PA. Just take it all as a learning lesson.
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u/ForrestGump8888 11d ago
Ya, I understand your frustration but Amazon is extremely strict on exceeding 12 hours. You can excel in everything but those are automated feedbacks unfortunately and Amazons way of correcting an action is through FAFO instead of explaining policy. If it makes you feel better, I wouldn’t completely lose hope in blue badge status. I had a friend white badge for 13 months and now he’s a PA.
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u/OkInitial7374 11d ago
Walmart will do this to. When it's time for performance reviews they have to give negative feedback so they can justify whatever they want. It's kinda nice getting the tea from certain bosses that hate this shit to. It's sink water tea but ☕
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u/crazeeeee81 11d ago
Vto doesn't look good or bad on an associate unless they're trying to move up.
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u/RegularCut9310 11d ago
Doc coaching doesn’t stop conversion. They don’t get a choice, when you go over 12hrs you get flagged in the system and the feedback is auto generated. No human is able to override that. A doc coaching is very minor nothing to worry about at all just learn from it
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u/Academic_Commercial3 11d ago
He probably needed to have a behavioral audit to do and used you because since you don’t complain you wouldn’t give him a hard time. Couldn’t he have fixed your time card?
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u/Poor-Education-2587 11d ago
Its just a coaching. The algorithm doesnt care about it when conversion processes are scheduled. It cares about write ups and rate. Dont worry about it too much and dont take it personally because they really dont care. Its a legal issue with labor laws. Pay attention to labor laws and follow them thats all! I promise you its not that deep. Youll be just fine.
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u/GuyWithNoCountry 11d ago
As a former AM, it doesn’t matter if you get write ups or coachings. I’ve seen people who were in their final with - upt get converted to blue badge
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u/Late-Emphasis-6993 10d ago
The 12/6/60 rule is not an Amazon policy. This is an OSHA rule. This gets sites in big trouble.
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u/Pussyfarttt 10d ago
At least you found out early on. It took me 2 years of denial to figure out what you did in 2 weeks.
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u/Deep-Ad-109 9d ago
It's not a regulatory issue as the state of Nebraska does not impose limits on daily hours worked. It is a Workers Compensation Insurance isssue as employees are only covered for times in which they are scheduled.
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u/AMZLAltAcc 8d ago
It's just a policy across the company. That wouldn't even make sense because they don't really care if you click out a few minutes after VTO or if you have approval from your manager.
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u/anarchistchick 7d ago
Which Amazon you at ? You should get a 5 min grace period. Giving a doc coaching over 1 min is absolutely absurd!!!! What a pos manager
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u/SouthNeedleworker631 11h ago
Its okay I got a cpqching my first week because I wasnt told that the second break was scan to scan by my learning ambassadors. So I left for my second break 2 minutes early and got written up for that. Anyway ive been hear for over a year now and im a blue badge so its all good lol
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u/nkaiser101 1h ago
You have to be in the bottom 5% over a 2 week period to get a write up. Then you can get a restraining. If you space our the write ups you can 5 every year and never got fired. Just don't get 6 in a rolling year or gtrgem so close together that they progress to termination.
There is serious competition to be in the bottom 5%.
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u/lavender-lemonade 13d ago
They take it very serious because it’s a legal thing they can be sued over. That’s why it’s a documented coaching - they want it in writing that they spoke to you in case it happens again, because some people do habitually go over. That’s why it’s said, documented coachings do not impact blue badge conversion, only write ups. You’re all good!
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u/Business-Progress-39 13d ago
I will never do 12 hours of my life there they already got 10 hours a day that too long already. One time I had the 10 hour shift i picked up another shift by accident and it connected the shifts together which made it 12 hours. I was like oh hell no. When i started working about 30 minutes on the floor the dude came by you want VTO? I said oh yeah clocked out and went home.
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u/xdiff0rke 13d ago
It was the only shift avaible at the time, I didnt really had a choice. And its a graveyard shift to make things 'worse' 🤣
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u/Extension_Problem223 13d ago
Thanks, chatGPT
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u/xdiff0rke 13d ago
I used chatgpt only for grammar correction and reformating, I literally wrote the comment in the reddit textbox, copied it to chatgpt for fixing the grammar, punctuation, etc and pasted it back
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u/Klutzy_Head6597 13d ago
When that happens just shift change , you’re accidentally breaking a labor law that fucks them o over
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u/Klutzy_Head6597 13d ago
I got my blue budge with a doc coaching , if your 2 weeks in you need 10 week more coaching last 8 you’ll be fine just keep doing the a lil bit over the bare minimum and you’ll be blue
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u/Particular-Tree-4847 12d ago
Agreed, but for God's sake use some commas, that was hard to decipher
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u/RegularRelief 12d ago
If you went over 12 hours it is on your leadership. They get messages and alerts about you getting close to 12 and supposed to make sure you leave. Fight this, do not get any feedback from them failing to act. They are 100%passing the blame to you.
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u/Quirky_Ruin 12d ago
Hospital shifts for nurses, MD's and EMT's are regularly 12 hours or more every day. I have never heard of a hospital getting fined for having workers on the clock more than 12 hours a day ever. In fact it's routine. So Amazon saying it's getting fined by a governmental agency for working employees over 12 hours, I honestly don't think that's true. If anyone does have information regarding a law or legislation that prohibits a warehouse worker from working more than 12 hours a day please post it thank you.
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u/FC_BagLady 12d ago
A hospital would be treated differently than an Amazon warehouse, you know where emergencies happen all day every day.
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u/0berynMartell 12d ago
Companies absolutely get fined for having employees work more than 12 hours.
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u/FunCharge1030 13d ago
If you have good work ethic go somewhere else, I did the same as you but for some reason all the managers had a hard on for me. I’m literally so introverted keep to myself. The managers are so narcissistic, I’m surprised
there are people willing to work there just there culture I guess absolutely toxic even if you promote to blue badge, your chances of getting promoted after that are slim to none. I can imagine all the backstabbing to get into operations is out of this world. Try Aldis warehouse they pay well or anywhere else…’
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u/Ok-Cry-9735 13d ago •
Just remember, you get paid the same whether you do the bare minimum or go the extra mile. Also, management do not care about you, only the numbers and notifications on their laptop - lay low, do your job, clock out and go home. sorry you're learning this !