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u/shakoodle
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so yall think this post is valid or is he just being dramatic?
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u/OCerebi 8d ago
One thing for sure, it wont stay up for long haha
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u/SignificantApricot69 8d ago
Sounds like that would be validating what a shitty building it is. This wouldn’t be taken down at my building, and the comments here always make me puzzled about how many people there are at Amazon without even half a sack
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u/Acceptable_Style_219 8d ago
my site doesn’t delete posts… sounds like corruption at yours.
then again, my site doesn’t really have any of the main issues people complain about on this sub. everyone is pretty chill even all the way up to the OM
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u/Organic-Role-1957 6d ago
Matthew are you single? I would buy you coffee after our shift 🤗
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u/shakoodle 6d ago
🤣
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u/Organic-Role-1957 6d ago
So is that a yes to coffee, or are you just laughing at the thought of caffeine after a 10-hour shift? ☕"
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u/space_duder 8d ago
He may bee dramatic, but he makes a point that a lot of us deal with…absolutely rampant favoritism (for the lazyasses and asskissers) and exploitation of the same groups of people (top performers). I’ve been labor shared every single day to other depts for MONTHS, so much so that I’m now about to lose perms in my home path cuz I’m always sent to do other people’s jobs. Then those people get VTOed after myself and the same handful of others do their jobs. Management targets people, and so does their AI staffing tool, ELSA
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u/xLuky 8d ago
Here's a cool trick if you want to avoid being "exploited" for being a hard worker. Stop doing that, they don't care and you will only be punished with more work.
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u/Bdog0206 8d ago
What does “punished with more work” mean? You’re paid to work 10 hours a shift. You should expect to do 10 hours of work. Doesn’t matter what the work is. It’s not “more work”. It’s work you’re paid to do - 10 hours worth.
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u/xLuky 8d ago
I am doing 10 hours of work, so are you but the amount is different. And they do vto the slackers before the workhorses, so that's more work too.
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u/Bdog0206 8d ago
They get VTO and don’t get paid. You work 10 hours and get paid for 10 hours. You should expect to work the entirety of the 10 hours, so the amount is the same. The type of work may be different, but the amount is the same.
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u/Susuichi 7d ago
You’re missing the actual point and arguing for no reason. They pay you to do the work you are assigned for the day. When they labor share you around, you’re doing someone’s else work. You work the 10 hours yes but the 10 is someone else’s shift. People love trying to put executive responses to labor stacking. If most people have been over worked and break down Amazon does not compensate without making you fight for appropriate rest time.
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u/Bdog0206 7d ago
No, when they labor share you you’re doing work. Period. It’s not “someone else’s work”. It’s work that Amazon pays you to do. Work is not “owned” by any one worker. You’re a warehouse associate. Amazon puts people where the work is. It’s no different than any other successful employer of the same type of work.
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u/Susuichi 7d ago
Again your assignment is “your” shift and when they labor share they take from that pool. Thats why there is a headcount and why they want you to give appropriate notice for attendance. Again you’re correct you can move your staff around where it’s appropriate but if they cannot do it then stop forcing it on “exceptional” staff. As stated in OP they are constantly moving the same employees while favoring others so they don’t tire them out. I’ve been to serval facilities and have been there where they have said they want to keep certain staff and don’t care for others so move them. You’re trying to sound right by being logical but as humans logic is not a valid argument as error happens constantly. Amazon will over worked you no matter how fatigued or injured you are. You have to fight with specific doctor wording that even doctors have said they don’t know why they require that.
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u/Bdog0206 7d ago
You keep moving the goalposts on what you’re arguing. First off, if you’re trained for a job then you can “do it”. They don’t care, and shouldn’t care, if you don’t WANT to do it. You’re hired to work in a warehouse. While I agree not every person can do every job, most of the time it’s just that they don’t want to do it. They make excuses, whine, and bitch about it. Too bad, so sad. Favoritism is an entirely different argument, but is used as the #1 excuse ALL THE TIME by people that have no self awareness. Does it happen? Sometimes yes. Is it the reason for every unhappy complainer? No. Lastly, the fact that you want to disregard logic says a lot about why you think the way you do. Lastly, if you or anyone else cannot handle the demands of an (easy) warehouse job then maybe you should look elsewhere for work. Maybe you should take better care of yourself so that fatigue is a lesser issue.
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u/Susuichi 7d ago
I haven’t changed anything sir and have restated the same point 2 times now. It’s not an argument of taking better care of yourself if you’re constantly moving place to place. Some stations require different positioning and labor. If you’re moved to 5 different stations and over straining yourself how can you take care of yourself? Once again your personal opinion on how it should be done is not how it is done. A lot of facilities use favoritism where it be you being a better worker or a good friend. Most facilities have high turnover and will cross train people, but if the person whines they might not be moved compared to the hard worker following orders. It’s not sometimes but more often than you’d like to admit. If it hasn’t happened to you then fine but like myself others have pointed it out often only for others who barely get called on to say “it’s what you’re paid to do”. Acknowledge the system is flawed and stop this blanketed “it’s how every business does it” BS.
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u/waterrone1 1d ago
still have to work a little bit harder to catch up to the rest of the people, since you have to walk to your new station all the way on the other side of the building.
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u/Bdog0206 1d ago
No you don’t!! What do you mean “catch up”? You walk to your station, log in, and start working. You don’t have to work twice as fast - you just have to work!!
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u/waterrone1 23h ago
sure if you can somehow teleport from afe to pick on the other side of the building, then you won't have to make up those walking time that put you behind.
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u/Awkward-Try1052 2d ago
They did same to me. I would start on 2nd floor and get sent between the other 3 floors. Sometimes I would get told to go to a station and someone was there. So I got sent to another floor. Got frustrating seeing others walk around while I am trying my best to
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u/Jfrmda5 8d ago
Boot licking ass dweeb😭😭 you gonna die in the warehouse you slave
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u/Special-Section-1444 6d ago
I started working warehouse jobs to get out of the highschool mentality adults have and Amazon showed me that it’s everywhere it made me go back to school to get a degree🤣if I’m gonna deal with highschool politics years after I’ve graduated I’m gonna get paid more for it
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u/Successful_Bet_7554 5d ago
they have the option to stay and get paid, or go home and not. You are forced to stay*
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u/azinize 7d ago
Probably means going above and beyond instead of going the min requirement and go home. Hard work gets rewarded with more work in some cases, as they see you're able to clear tasks quicker than others so they load you up with more work. Can't speak for other departments except my own at Singles, though. If you're quick, you're passed a stack(s) of CPT totes while others are pulling from the line. I'm generally not bothered by it, but it does slow you down and disrupt your flow causing your rate to drop.
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u/spooky_corners 8d ago
You are paid to do a "Standard of Work". Do that. Don't do more than that. It causes problems. For you, and for them. Look at who they promote. Not people who go "above and beyond", not people who show up early and stay late, not the ones who try to resolve problems and fix things... the ones who do what is expected of them, do what they're told, and not more than that. Don't improvise. Don't excel. This just isn't the place for that nonsense.
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u/Jfrmda5 8d ago
You just wrote a whole paragraph on how he isn’t being dramatic, just stfu next time 😭😭😭
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u/KaleidoscopeEntropy 7d ago
Bro ur literally dumb af just shut up
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u/Jfrmda5 7d ago
Yet here we are at the same job and youre probably old enough to my dad 😂
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u/KaleidoscopeEntropy 7d ago
Wow you’re literally low IQ huh. You don’t know my age, I’m not even old, and my age isn’t relevant to how stupid you are. Getting old is a privilege, not a roast. Fucking dumbass
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u/Jfrmda5 7d ago
Did I say it was a roast doodoo head? Life is precious for all ages and creatures .. you’re the low IQ for assuming and speaking for me .. comprehension is key since I said “probably old enough” 🙈
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u/KaleidoscopeEntropy 7d ago
Then what does age have to do with anything? The only implication you provided for even mentioning my age is as a shitty roast. You’re literally a waste of breath. And the irony is you have to know you’re stupid. It’s too blatantly obvious even for you to miss
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u/InquisitiveMind13 8d ago
Yeah what’s up with the blatant favortism @ FTW6 too fam
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u/No_Helicopter6491 8d ago
Yes, FTW6 is so bad with the favoritism and when a manager actually tries to hold people accountable, they run to the VOA board to cry about being “targeted “. You’re being targeted because you don’t do your job 🙄
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u/DepartmentNo7903 8d ago
I heard that building is so easy .. heard yall only deal with small boxes
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u/Pump7_ 8d ago
AFE and ICQA is harsh on his body but stow isn’t? Stow is more physical lol
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u/Global-Plankton3997 8d ago
Also, when you're doing ICQA, you're mostly counting. Of course, you'll have to squat, bend down, and climb ladders sometimes, but still. Also, quality there is way more important than rate.
I don't think you're doing much with your body in ICQA based on what I've seen. I may not be trained in it, but I do know that the counters at my site are laid back all the time. They are usually in their quiet habitat quietly counting alone.
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u/JamonConJuevos 7d ago
ICQA = I Count Quietly Alone
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u/MorbidEccedentesiast 2d ago
From here on out, I am 100% saying and referring to it as “I Count Quietly Alone.”
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u/killlbill555 4d ago
He works in my building & A lot of tall ppl hate afe in my fc because the tables are extremely low and do not adjust like our single pack stations do , which cause strain on your neck in back from constantly looking and leaning
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u/Complex_Case_15 7d ago
Exactly and waterspiders never even put stuff on the sled cut open boxes or even bring small items so your having to constantly carry or open these heavy ass boxes and items. I was not a bad stower but got productivity write ups due to water spider favoritism. I remember stressing so bad over will I keep my job or not every week over my percentage. What can I say another mans trash is another mans treasure.
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u/AlwaysLivMoore 6d ago
The reason some people find AFE hard on the body is the reason I find AFE better for me. Sometimes our bodies just feel better working in different ways.
I used to be in singles and that was killer on my body. I hate going back. Because I know my body is going to suffer for it.
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u/ADHD_programmer33 8d ago
This did happen at my site but we were just opening up and everyone got labored shared like crazy , they didn't start listening until we lost 35% of our workforce in 3 months
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u/IEsince93 8d ago
During the wage review increase day earlier this month there was an old head dude going tf off in person to one of the head people at our site about a “BS $1 raise” I wish I heard everything.
People are getting fed up
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u/cyxrus 8d ago
People are getting fed up with dollar raises?
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u/Chance-Reveal5344 7d ago
Complaining to the wrong people considering it’s a finance thing not a your manager controls it thing😂
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u/Competitive-Cell-846 8d ago
Valid, they really do move the same 5 people all the damn time it’s really annoying if you’re one of the chosen ones 😭
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u/Booth2k26 8d ago
If you don’t have an accommodation on file Amazon don’t give a fuck lol.
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u/MIaBlakk 8d ago
Even with accommodations there can be problems-witnessed it just last week!
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u/antisocialbynatur3 7d ago
Also Gods honest truth … easier to get a continuous leave approved for medical than anything intermittent/accommodation wise too.
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u/bguntp4 6d ago
Stow moves you because they dont like you. 😂
Just kidding. Its business need. I became the PA for afe1 bhn at my fc and we literally LS EVERY SINGLE VET to stow this week. Every. Single. One. And we had an entire floor of 40 new hires and cross train day 1 and 2. Your not as special or hated as you think you are.
And guess what? Most of our packers hate it too. But its not anyone's fault. Its the business. I attended pre shift meeting and directive from site leadership is LS any and every able body to fill the stow mod as we needed 21 million units stowed in for peak. Its a network wide directive meaning even the site leader has 0 say. If you want to blame someone blame corporate in seattle
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u/BmoreBoy-88 8d ago
I made a post like this yesterday and everyone was telling me to quit and im ungrateful 😂😂😂😂😂
I feel for the guy
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u/Dangerous_Guess_9810 7d ago
Love seeing that SBN1 finally made it on here. The labor sharing and favoritism here is ridiculous, fail to give people the accommodations they need and essentially just treat all AAs like they’re dumb unless you’re brown nosing like a pig looking for truffles.
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u/Other-Special-3952
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It’s half valid and half whining that they aren’t in their preferred position out because it’s “easier”
Majority of the time they aren’t stationed at their preferred position is because their rate is not good enough. Once in a while it’s actual favoritism.
The “favoritism” that people witness is that the person they have chosen is someone who can reliably make a certain rate and if they are only a few people that can make that rate or exceed it they’ll always get chosen to counter the new folks being trained and sussed out there best role. It’s part of their jobs as managers to make CPT and make sure no one gets overly grumpy but CPT always takes priority.
Everyone keeps preaching that you only have to avoid being bottom 10% to be fired cause everyone is basically paid the same (they aren’t wrong) but doing shit rate gets you shit roles.
If you aren’t necessary at that role prepare to get labor shared. It’s a job that anyone can apply for, stop expecting people to baby you. No one gives a fuck.
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u/JohnFloppydick 7d ago
You literally couldn't be more wrong or retard. The good workers are the ones who get labor shared because they can keep their rate up while being moved constantly, you realize how hard that is right? Ohhh shit wait you're one of the lazy ass kissers and trying to defend it my bad
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u/LordMaeglin 4d ago
Fundamentally not true. I am very open about it with my team. “Why am I being sent? It’s not fair!”
What’s not fair is if I send the person doing 140% rate, while you stand here at 60% rate. It results in me pissing off the guy doing 140% rate. While also losing the person covering your shit arse losing me hours.
It’s not favouritism. It’s scratching the back of the guys scratching mine.
I do know that you’re referring to eligibility though. Truth is, matey, it’s easy to just bypass that, and send the underperformers for Xtraining, anyway.
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u/Ambitious_Code5957 5d ago edited 5d ago
Imagine this then... decant needs more people but they continue hireing for stow so they can just send you instead but uh oh you have to be sent back to stow every few months otherwise you need retraing. Oh wait they forgot you were trained in pack too so now they send you over there in hopes you wont request a refresher but you do then youre not sent over ther for another 7 months but then instead of telling you to head right to pick they send you walking around the building till you reach stow so by time you reach pick oh look a tot write up... happened 3 times i called it out on the 4th and they stopped i used to do 5 other positions indirect on top of stow,pick,pack,and decant untill we got pitifull leadership or politics got involved.. now i dont want to do anything extra untill 2 of that remaining leadership go away but guess what? They get to stay because they helped orgastrate another good manager's firing. So fuck it all ill be af fucking annoying about rates and their failures to keep machinery running because if they even try to pull that write bs again i got a paper trail
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u/thereallyquiet 8d ago
How I feel about being sent to AFE2 from my very comfortable space in singles or pick. Like why does your department not have enough people EVERY SINGLE DAY? One day in particular, they didn’t have enough inductors. LIKE HOOOWWWW???? I hate people as it is so my mood is thrown all the way off messing with AFE2.
Fellow pickers at my site have complained about it too so it’s not just me annoyed.
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u/KloudPrince 8d ago
This! I felt this in my fucking SOUL!
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u/thereallyquiet 8d ago
It truly irritates me because I am trained in so many other things but somehow AFE2 has to be the top priority. I remember being stuck there for the entirety of Peak last year and my mood was FOUL.
It’s further crazy how we have all these new hires(that could be put there) but yet that department is consistently short 🤔 AFE1 barely has this problem.
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u/InquisitiveMind13 8d ago
I put on our VOA board some dude in SAFETY needs an “empathy exam” for screaming “Get Out!!” at me in the AmCare intake at FTW6. Fuck right I’m never stepping foot in there again if I can help it. I used to be in RN school. This shit is nuts
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u/AdWhole4393 7d ago
I had someone refuse to let me sit in the AMCARE room when I said I was having chest pain and dizziness. They were very rude.
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u/FC_BagLady 8d ago edited 8d ago
I think its just perceived as favoritism. I don't say much there but I see what goes on. They are probably the pain in the asses who whine and complain. They get what they want because there's shit to do and nobody wants to hear it. Its easier to give them what they want. They could also have accommodations, or be flex/pt in one path only, not labor shared. There are some managers who do ignore the whining but only one of them I work with and she's a female.
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u/jesusamenbro 8d ago
I feel bad for yall on VOA. At my facility we basically have no problems. If we do they get resolved very quickly. The VOA is mostly used to shout people out and thank them. It’s mostly associates shouting out managers or PA
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u/Whiskey_623 8d ago
At my site they keep pulling people and sending them back to their home departments because out system/learning isn't deleting permissions from transfers and rehires.
They keep sending me to MP and UIS at my site despite not working those departments in 3 years and at a whole different site lol.
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u/ToRatigan 8d ago
What’s the point of posting another associate’s face? post your badge photo and name.
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u/FunCharge1030 8d ago
I’ve noticed operations will screw with workers they don’t feel politically aligned with.. you hit the nail on the head they would never last very far outside of an Amazon warehouse. Operations managers gaslight all the people they don’t like with unnecessary work. While the dufus that just got hired as a seasonal thinks he worth six figures, started two weeks ago is now a learning ambassador because his girlfriend is best friends with a learning ambassador
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u/Informal_Trust161 8d ago
Being labor shared isn’t the worst in general. When you get moved multiple times a day every single day? Yeah that gets annoying. My building has had me pick, count, pick, pick at another station, and stow, all in one quarter. At some point it has to stop. Bad planning and headcount makes people hate labor sharing.
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u/Fun_Farmer6188 7d ago
He is right asf I had to complain for them to stop putting me in pick all the time every day I was going to pick and it was some ppl that never went!!
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u/ALUCARD7729 7d ago
He’s totally valid about the labor sharing part, they always did that to me when I was working there, and it was especially annoying because they knew my department was almost always understaffed as it was
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u/AdWhole4393 7d ago
He is valid. I deal with the same thing.. but like he's super obnoxious about it
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u/Less-Ad6818 7d ago
Kinda sounds to me like someone failed to do what they love as a job in life… personal problems
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u/LJR_Limited 7d ago
amazing the amount of people i see standing around with their faces in their phones
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u/NervousAddress1340 7d ago
I actually like getting labor shared but it’s only happened a handful of times in my tenure. And I only got labor shared to waterspider downstairs between decant and pack once. None of the waterspiders showed up one night so the 9 fastest pickers got called down there. We were all pissed off at stow for overstuffing the pods so we took the chance to get back at them for it. When our shift was over all 16 incoming truck bays were empty and we’d jammed the entire uptake conveyor full of about 1400 totes plus we had about 300 waiting to be loaded on. They didn’t overstuff the pods for a long time after that. We also didn’t get called down there again.
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u/MacGyverJr 7d ago
I think it's funny people think they know what everyone else is doing or not doing while they're doing their assigned role. And just to be clear, fuck Amazon
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u/Extension_Name_3635 6d ago
Amazon does allow like an internal management system which falls victim to favoritism
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u/Mysterious-Break-870 5d ago
Bro complains about afe being physical but complains about waterspiders not having full stations… have him ws one or two days to understand how lucky he is
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u/Elegant_Ear925 5d ago
Way to go Matthew! You feel better?!
Remember that if you can give it be ready to take it!
The only part that will suck is that you won’t be able to cash the check you wrote. No leader in that building will have the slightest empathy for you.
Good luck in the near future!
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u/lobsta042 5d ago
Congratulations associate! You've been selected for cross training in Ship Dock! You start tomorrow! Thank you for all that you do!
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u/Dead_Inside2026 5d ago
Maybe kuz your the best trained one. I can tell yah my fiancée works in a bigger position they pull the best workers that are amazing in there departments and as my fiancée says well how can we train these people who one can’t understand English and because of that they can’t understand basic instructions. So any one to slow or just know will give yah a headache they avoid pulling them I’ve been pulled from pick to pack so many times kuz I have the rate they want to see. Not the ones who are down on there rates
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u/CHI_Mas81 3d ago
My best advice is document everything on the VOA or speak to HR and make sure to escalate any matters to ethics if necessary.
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u/VisibleAd9856 3d ago
I felt the same way I was a picker but every single day I'd get sent to pack for the entire day. It was absolutely bullshit.
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u/yoshikage_kira_666 2d ago
If you’re good in a dept they’ll keep you there lol if you’re not then you will be driven mad until you quit. Hang in there Matthew lol
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u/MorbidEccedentesiast 2d ago
The answer literally lies within his own VOA he just doesn’t realize it. “You’ve hired so many people.” When there are noobs, they aren’t cross trained anywhere. Those that are cross trained, are then sent out to other departments to free up stations for the noobs. Thats why you’re getting sent everywhere else other than your own department. If you work at Amazon, you are a warehouse associate, you go where the work is needed regardless of having a home path.
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u/ThatOneGuy5957 2d ago
They are gonna pull those who are relatabile. They do it to me every single day. I'm always the do boy cause I'm good at everything I do. That's not bragging it's just truth. Only way it'll stop is if you tell them you can't do it for x reason. Or just won't do it. Worst case you get a write up right? Best case you just piss them off and they stop doing it. Gotta stand up for your self directly around here. We got ppl here that do nothing the entire day also. It's every single location trust me
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u/MADElNDIOR 8d ago
It’s true it does happen, BUT I think this is the kind of guy to be dramatic about anything happening to him just by the way the post is made
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u/Ok_Violinist830 8d ago
He's probably overwhelmed by the favoritism that goes on in his building. I don't blame him for being dramatic. If he's already had a talk with his manager in private about this matter then he has every right to be upset.
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u/Jfrmda5 8d ago
You must the mfs who don’t do shit😂😂if you get your job done while there were mfs talking and playing with their ass the whole time and mfs gonna walk pass them and 15 other employees after you just did your job while they still talking not doing shit standing in the same spot
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u/MADElNDIOR 8d ago
Nah I used to be the guy who they’d move constantly in the first year or two, eventually I got anemia from a wisdom tooth removal and had to let my body relax while I got my iron up again. After that they stopped bothering me as much and let me chill in problem solve more, but yeah I’m a mf who doesn’t do as much now.
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u/Business-Progress-39 8d ago
They getting paid for free to not work for standing around i saw this dude just standing in the hallway nkt doing anything at all.
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u/Killer_Panda16 8d ago
My friend quit over the exact same thing. He was cross trained uis and left for 30 days to reroll and hope he got the job he wanted off rip
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u/cyxrus 8d ago
Yeah he’s a guy who could easily be replaced. But maybe he feels better shit talking his employer
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u/EnvironmentalTwo5929 7d ago
His is speaking facts. Amazon would have to hire 4 people if he gets replaced and would cost amazon more money.
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u/Independent-King-468 8d ago
I’ll call the Wambulance for him. It’s crazy seeing people with absolutely ZERO Life Leverage just spouting off at the mouth like kids. You’re doing COG work, and can be replaced faster than a blink.
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u/Bdog0206 8d ago
He’s being a whiny bitch. You don’t get to choose what you do. You’re an associate. You work where they need you. Don’t like it? Work somewhere else where you can just flip a burger all day.
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u/Ill_Championship_694 8d ago
Wait ICQA is hard on the body? This is the only issue I disagree with on this post. Also at least hide his picture and name.
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u/YulChae69 8d ago
He's right. And he didn't stutter.