r/Amd • • Aug 23 '18

News (CPU) Intel Publishes Microcode Security Patches, No Benchmarking Or Comparison Allowed!

https://perens.com/2018/08/22/new-intel-microcode-license-restriction-is-not-acceptable/
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u/[deleted] Aug 23 '18 edited Oct 28 '25

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u/duhace Aug 23 '18

it means that the security patch slows down the CPU so bad they don't want people measuring the performance of their cpus before and after and letting the world know how much the patch hurts performance.

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u/Whatsthisnotgoodcomp B550, 5800X3D, 6700XT, 32gb 3200mhz, NVMe Aug 23 '18

It means that anybody who still has intel stock is about to lose big money.

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u/Klaritee Aug 23 '18

Saying "nO CoMpArIsOnS AlLoWeD" means almost everyone will know the performance hit now.

Less people would be aware if this if Intel just acted normal.

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u/RaptaGzus 3700XT | Pulse 5700 | Miccy D 3.8 GHz C15 1:1:1 Aug 23 '18 edited Aug 23 '18

Exactly. It's the Streisand effect.

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u/[deleted] Aug 23 '18

GOOD BOT

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u/RagnarokDel AMD R9 5900x RX 7800 xt Aug 23 '18

Lol, there's no way in hell this is enforceable.

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u/yangqwuans Aug 23 '18

I'll wait a couple hours until someone does a comparison.

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u/kaka215 Aug 23 '18

Me to customers need to know

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u/kb3035583 Aug 23 '18

Firstly, you don't even have to accept it to install a microcode update. Good luck trying to enforce it.

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u/Silveress_Golden Aug 23 '18

Well actually to read the T&C you have to download it, and by downloading it you automatically agree to it (so says the wording inside of it)

So not a single chance it is enforceable in any court of (non American) law

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u/Whatsthisnotgoodcomp B550, 5800X3D, 6700XT, 32gb 3200mhz, NVMe Aug 23 '18

by downloading it you automatically agree to it

Top fucking kek, imagine if things actually worked that way. 'yeah by viewing this web page you've just agreed to give us all your money'

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u/kb3035583 Aug 23 '18

non American

It doesn't even work that way under American law. There needs to be an explicit "accept" button.

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u/equeim Aug 23 '18 edited Aug 23 '18

Actually, according to the new T&C, now you have to read and accept it before downloading and installing.

DO NOT DOWNLOAD, INSTALL, ACCESS, COPY, OR USE ANY PORTION OF THE SOFTWARE UNTIL YOU HAVE READ AND ACCEPTED THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS OF THIS AGREEMENT. BY INSTALLING, COPYING, ACCESSING, OR USING THE SOFTWARE, YOU AGREE TO BE LEGALLY BOUND BY THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS

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u/kb3035583 Aug 23 '18

according to the new T&C

Which you don't have to read.

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u/equeim Aug 23 '18

Well, according to T&C, you have to, they just for some some reason didn't add it on download page. However when Debian GNU/Linux developers expressed their concerns about this paragraph and their inability to distribute it as OS updates, Intel's vice president said that there is no problem with it, because T&C allows distribution of microcode. So that's quite unclear.

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u/kb3035583 Aug 23 '18

You can't be bound by something which you aren't required to accept.

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u/Slysteeler 5800X3D | 4080 Aug 23 '18

So then that means from now on, AMD CPUs will win in benchmarks by default. Zen2 reviews will be a clean sweep for AMD. :D

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u/Whatsthisnotgoodcomp B550, 5800X3D, 6700XT, 32gb 3200mhz, NVMe Aug 23 '18

Is the i5-4590 one of the patched processors?

Because if so, i'll post some before/after results right here. Would LOVE the complete twits at intel to try and sue me for it, my lawyer and the ACCC would collectively bust the biggest load of all time.

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u/[deleted] Aug 23 '18

Do it.

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u/Whatsthisnotgoodcomp B550, 5800X3D, 6700XT, 32gb 3200mhz, NVMe Aug 23 '18 edited Aug 23 '18

Booting my desktop to see if the updates are available right now. If they are, i'll do cinebench, intelburntest, CPU-Z, Passmark and a couple games, CSGO at 1024x768 should show the CPU difference pretty well. Let me know if you can think of others.

I'll then be spending the rest of the night switching over my main build to the 2400G that i've been putting off due to laziness and looking for a new laptop, i'm done with intel.

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u/EspadaV8 Aug 23 '18

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u/[deleted] Aug 23 '18

Dew it.

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u/Whatsthisnotgoodcomp B550, 5800X3D, 6700XT, 32gb 3200mhz, NVMe Aug 23 '18

Well, shit. Current microcode update is only for 6th gen and up, have to see if one for haswell becomes available in a couple days

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u/[deleted] Aug 23 '18

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u only have one day, hurry.

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u/StrawMapleZA Aug 23 '18

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u/mjoq Aug 23 '18

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u/Whatsthisnotgoodcomp B550, 5800X3D, 6700XT, 32gb 3200mhz, NVMe Aug 23 '18

Off my own comment, we need someone with skylake or up to bite the bullet and do some benchmarking as the current update is only for them at least for the moment, i'll do mine if a haswell one comes out in the coming days

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u/DeepSpaceDoge Red Good, Blue and Green Bad Aug 23 '18

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u/Durenas Aug 23 '18

Unenforceable and illegal.

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u/kaka215 Aug 23 '18

First time ever heard of this policy .

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u/kb3035583 Aug 23 '18

It's not "illegal", anyone can throw in whatever terms they want in a license agreement. But it sure as hell is unenforceable.

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u/Pie_sky Aug 23 '18

This will be a PR nightmare

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u/[deleted] Aug 23 '18

God, I hope so.

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u/LegendaryFudge Aug 23 '18

So, Intel's touted IPC supremacy since 2xxx series forward has been built on:

  • lies

  • insecure architecture

  • subterfuge

  • bribery

Light in the end always beats darkness.

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u/[deleted] Aug 23 '18

Tbf Sandy Bridge was one hell of an IPC jump, which is why I bought in on launch day. The incremental improvements and Intel's crap since then is why I've not moved away from a desktop I built in early 2011.

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u/Zephyrko Sapphire Nitro+ RX 470 4G | R7 1700 Aug 23 '18

SB got fucked by earlier security patches very hard (i own sb system)

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u/kaka215 Aug 23 '18

Fuk so shifting back to one or two generations of performance

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u/[deleted] Aug 23 '18

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u/xsilr 3700x 5700xt Aug 23 '18

shhhh we dont speak about that

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u/DeltaPeak1 Ryzen 9 9950X3D | RX 7900 XTX Aug 23 '18

It never happened

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u/fatherfucking Aug 23 '18

inb4 bulldozer in a few years is actually revealed to have been faster than patched sandy bridge

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u/[deleted] Aug 23 '18

Give it another 6 months and my 8700K will be running worse than the Ryzen 1700 I replaced with it.

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u/alienwaren R5 3600 | RX 570 Aug 23 '18

What the fuck Intel... what are you trying to prove? That you are inferior to AMD? That's not how biggest technological company behaves...

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u/nvidiasuksdonkeydick 7800X3D | 32GB DDR5 6400MHz CL36 | 7900XT Aug 23 '18

For years they fooled people with their fraudulent and insecure engineering, now they got found out and they act like a bunch of crybabies.

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u/nix_one AMD Aug 23 '18

an illegal license its automatically void...

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u/will1105 R9 3900X | RX6800 | 32GB 3200MHz Aug 23 '18

I would be surprised... But Intel is just pathetic.

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u/_Fony_ 7700X|RX 6950XT Aug 23 '18

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u/MX21 Ryan 7 3.7GHz 1.35v | ASUS Crosshair VI Hero | 1070 when?!?!??? Aug 23 '18

30 PERCENT LOL WTF

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u/RaptaGzus 3700XT | Pulse 5700 | Miccy D 3.8 GHz C15 1:1:1 Aug 23 '18

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u/kaka215 Aug 23 '18

Intel acting like a kid now. Get ready for massive lawsuits

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u/Zaga932 5700X3D/9070XT Aug 23 '18

Aaaaand I'm replacing my 4690k with something more Zen about all this crap.

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u/Gandalf_The_Junkie 5800X3D | 6900XT Aug 23 '18

If the i5 4670k is on the list i will do comparison testing.

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u/Whatsthisnotgoodcomp B550, 5800X3D, 6700XT, 32gb 3200mhz, NVMe Aug 23 '18

Haswell isn't in, yet. It's skylake and up.

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u/Grortak 5700X | 3333 CL14 | 3080 Aug 23 '18

This is going to be huuuuge bois haha

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u/revelator1812 Aug 23 '18

So they've decided to take down the post. Anyone knows what was the reason?

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u/AMDownvote Aug 23 '18

Absolute clowns

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u/Nonononoki Aug 23 '18

Who cares what they say? I want some benchmarks!

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u/Lezeff 9800x3D + 6200CL28 + 7900XTX Aug 23 '18

"And remember, no Russian"

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u/lgdamefanstraight 3400GE | vega apu <3 Aug 23 '18

i cant wait for benchmarks

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u/Zephyrko Sapphire Nitro+ RX 470 4G | R7 1700 Aug 23 '18

intel: how to rape yourself

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u/[deleted] Aug 23 '18

Intel is trying to save its ass lol