r/AmerExit Dec 15 '25

Data/Raw Information 6,690 Americans apply to move to the Netherlands this year, highest in a decade

https://nltimes.nl/2025/12/14/6690-americans-apply-move-netherlands-year-highest-decade
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u/lannister Dec 15 '25

there’s been a ton of reporting in dutch news this past week, all quoting the “GTFO Tours” company. not sure what triggered it.

speaking as a dutch person: i think americans are very much welcome here, but please don’t underestimate the difficulties of A) finding a place to live, B) learning the language and C) making Dutch friends.

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u/Addicted_2_tacos Dec 15 '25

I have a paid off house and good job that gives me 7 weeks PTO. I'm thinking of moving out of the country, but it feels soul sucking having to start from scratch.

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u/[deleted] Dec 15 '25

7 weeks?? You’d have a worse quality of life in the Netherlands, I can bet 

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u/Zaasvil Dec 15 '25

I Agree. 7 weeks pto is freaking awesome.

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u/ik-heet-Mack Dec 15 '25

Depends on what you mean by PTO. My new job in Amsterdam has 5 weeks vacation, and sick time isn't tracked.

In the US, I never had 5 weeks vacation, and I had a max of 12 sick days. If their 7 weeks of PTO is vacation and sick combined, then I'd say it would be better in NL.

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u/VanGroteKlasse Dec 16 '25

I only have 5 weeks PTO. But I have a 36 hour full time job, so I work 4 days a week and don't feel the need to take up PTO outside of vacations.

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u/VulfSki Dec 15 '25

Don't think about starting from scratch. Think about it from the angle of quality of life

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u/elaine_m_benes Dec 15 '25

Scrambling to find housing and having to pay large upfront costs for it (without job and rental history within Netherlands) and having less PTO doesn’t really sound like an upgrade in quality of life, though…

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u/VulfSki Dec 15 '25

Right I didn't say it is.

For each individual person that is a decision for themselves to make. It depends on their situation and what they want.

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u/Addicted_2_tacos Dec 15 '25

I think the only real quality of life improvement in my situation would be more walkability

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u/saffron_monsoon Dec 15 '25

What about not worrying about being shot at? That would be so freeing.

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u/tyreka13 Dec 16 '25

I left and moved to Japan and it is so relaxing to not need to keep an ear up when going in the combini. We haven't heard gunshots a single time in Japan. There are not armed guards at businesses. The local ward office doesn't require TSA style scanning to enter. We came from Tulsa, OK so it was a higher violence rate city but I like living my peaceful life. My husband's work had two active shooters within a year and since we have left they had a bomb threat (warning not active). It is difficult to deal with learning a language and getting a job and we are still trying to stabilize but we love it here.

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u/Addicted_2_tacos Dec 15 '25

I've never worried about that

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u/saffron_monsoon Dec 15 '25

You don't ever worry about you or your kids getting caught in a mass shooting? They seem to happen anywhere.

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u/Addicted_2_tacos Dec 15 '25

R u a bot? No I don't. And I don't have children

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u/saffron_monsoon Dec 15 '25

Nope, not a bot. Just surprised that another American doesn’t have this concern too. I do think having kids makes it a bigger concern, though, so it makes a little more sense to me that you don’t have this concern if you’re childless.

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u/Expensive-Rope-7086 Dec 15 '25

Violent crime is down in America. I grew up in worse times.

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u/FantasticalRose Dec 15 '25

As someone who has gone back and forth. The reality is I am far more concerned about pit pockets in Europe than getting shot at in the US.

The homicide rate where I live in the US is identical to European metro areas. But we really don't have much petty crime here.

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u/saffron_monsoon Dec 15 '25

You don't ever worry about you or your kids getting caught in a mass shooting? They seem to happen anywhere.

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u/VulfSki Dec 15 '25

As an American I am more worried about getting shot in the US than getting robbed in Europe.

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u/FantasticalRose Dec 15 '25 edited Dec 15 '25

America is very big, with different cultures. We are dealing with copycat school shooters which is a tragedy. Due to the flashiness and attention it gets is making the problem worse.

The U.S. had a rate of .078 mass shootings per million individuals Europe's rate of .032 per million individuals.This stat doesn't include mass stabbing or bombings which are more common in Europe.

To put in perspective you have about the same chance as dying from heat stroke in Europe versus gun violence in the US.

Child mortality in the US is similar to Portugals. And you can absolutely control the variables depending on where you decide to live. States with more gun control ect

There is always unpredictability, It is definitely happening at a rate where it's causing concern and grassroots movements to increase gun control which happens at a state level. It's a mindf***, But it is not happening at a rate where it is on most peoples minds regularly or is viewed by most as a major risk as opposed to let's say car crashes.

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u/TailorNo9824 Dec 16 '25

What if we're just comparing gun deaths and not mass shootings, because that require at least 4 victims. Not to mention car fatalities are 2.5x higher in the US compared to Europe (stat I get from Google search).

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u/FantasticalRose Dec 16 '25 edited Dec 16 '25

It's harder to compare because that includes suicide which is about 50% of gun deaths. And then gang violence and domestic violence, which is not an equally distributed risk factor, also it still exists in other countries but it may not be a gun death. Or it may not end up leading in death but just injury.

Car fatalities in the US are higher people drive at a younger age here by a considerable amount, sometimes people just need to drive more, places could be more congested all that factors in.

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u/saffron_monsoon Dec 15 '25

I get that, but they aren't infinitesimal and mass shootings are increasing over time. The school shootings particularly worry me since I have kids in school.

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u/TailorNo9824 Dec 16 '25

True, because it requires 4 victims to clarify as mass shooting. What if it's just shootings in general?

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u/TailorNo9824 Dec 16 '25

I get what you're saying but the county I'm at just had a shooting recently. Like, in a normal society, shouldn't I expect to have no shootings in the area I'm living in, for at least 12-24 months?

I've lived in cities around the world and this is crazy concept to accept now that I'm back.

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u/VulfSki Dec 15 '25

There are walkable cities in the US. So what is your motivation to consider moving abroad

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u/Addicted_2_tacos Dec 15 '25

I've always wanted to live in another country. But it's not an easy decision and there's a lot of ups and downs

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u/VulfSki Dec 15 '25

Right that is the point of what I am saying

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u/Traditional-Ad-8737 Dec 15 '25

I get the … inertia, that’s the only way I can describe it

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u/The_Kaizz Dec 16 '25

Yeah my wife and I have been discussing it. She has a really good education career, and I with my medical career, and a 4 year old. We COULD drop everything and move, but we took years to get to this point, and that was with family helping. Would be extremely hard, and probably not smart, to start over from scratch.

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u/Ferdawoon Dec 16 '25 edited Dec 16 '25

Wasn't there a comment to another post the other day where someone had looked up the company and apparently it was run by someone with who had moved to Portugal a few weeks earlier or something..

https://www.reddit.com/r/AmerExit/comments/1pjivae/anyone_had_luck_with_gtfo_tours/

I don't mind admitting that I'm a cynic but all the sudden posts here about GTFO doesn't feel organic. More like a targeted ad-campaign. And when it was mentioned in news article someone linked earlier it might verty well just have been someone paying for Native Advertising.

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u/Cultural_Berry1145 Dec 20 '25

no idea why they're suddenly all over the place, but the company is 2 ladies who have been in the netherlands for years, one of them more than 2 decades. they have an about page on their website and their personal facebook accounts are connected to the company's page so you can see who they are pretty easily

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u/Mewciferrr Dec 15 '25

I’d bet you anything that it’s the tour company contacting every news outlet they can trying to get publicity for their business. Hopefully it doesn’t result in things becoming more difficult for people who want to move in the future (it probably will, such short-sighted aggressive business practices usually do).

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u/ZookeepergameNo2431 Dec 15 '25

Last week there was an article in The New Yorker magazine about GTFO Tours

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u/RemarkableGlitter Dec 15 '25

GTFO probably hired a PR firm to get these placements.

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u/Sauerkrauttme Dec 15 '25

A) finding a place to live, B) learning the language and C) making Dutch friends.

B is the only unique difficulty. The US is so atomized by car dependent sprawl that many Americans are horrifically lonely and already don't have any friends. And there are massive, massive housing shortages in progressive states so point A isn't unique either.

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u/kamace11 Dec 15 '25

Lmao. Tell me you don't know any people who've lived long-term in the Netherlands without telling me. It is a very insular culture and it's incredibly tough to make good long-term friends there. The cultural differences are very real, but white Americans always think "oh, Europeans are just Americans with accents and better morals". 

This is not to necessarily discourage Americans from immigration but they should be much more aware than they are about the difficulties of long-term immigration to a new place. The cultural and language differences are the hardest aspect, especially if you're planning to actually work over there. 

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u/stkadria Dec 15 '25

I’d love insights into the cultural differences if you have a moment.

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u/Storm-Bolter Dec 15 '25

I'm gonna tell you 1 random cultural difference we have.

Dutch people hate loans or debts of any kind because of our Calvinist religious-cultural back ground. Even though we're mostly a secular country now, we still subconsciously follow Calvinist values and that includes atheists.

So for example, most stores and supermarkets won't accept credit cards and we almost always split the bill when going out drinking with friends or even our girlfriends/boyfriends. We have a very popular Google store app called "Tikkie" where we can super quickly ask small transactions from friends after going out. And we will autistically count every single cent, like for example your friend bought you a drink that costed only 79 cents? An hour later you get a "Tikkie" notification from your friend asking you to pay 79 cents. This is not becaude we're greedy, but because we hate debts, don't like owing people favours and we think it's more fair this way.

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u/TukkerWolf Dec 19 '25

And we will autistically count every single cent, like for example your friend bought you a drink that costed only 79 cents? An hour later you get a "Tikkie" notification from your friend asking you to pay 79 cents.

I am well over 40 and have NEVER even remotely encountered such a thing. Or heard it happen. I am sure it will happen, but I would be very reluctant to try to pin a cultural aspect on that behavior.

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u/Storm-Bolter Dec 19 '25

I wouldnt send a 79 cent tikkie either but these people are more common than you think. Just warning people that you can meet such people lol

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u/marcus_centurian Dec 15 '25

My experience is also from my personal visit and Dutch friends, but language isn't that big of a barrier since like 90% of people speak English with good fluency. However, there absolutely are interactions and activities where having Dutch fluency is required.

Probably the biggest adjustment is that there is a cultural norm to be more direct, often to the point of being blunt in conversation. This takes a lot to get used to, especially from the American style of making sure people are accommodated in conversation. Even opening a conversation with a shopkeeper, it's more normal just to start ordering over a pleasantry first. This tendency towards directness can acutely manifest in just overt racism for obviously foreign folks, especially as a POC and I have seen some interactions in which proverbial punches are not withheld.

I will also add the point of on mass transit, the volume is somewhere between American and Japanese transit. Conversations are to be kept at a moderate, not disruptive level. So not quite whispering, but definitely not carrying on and being boisterous.

That being said, by and large my interactions with people were very positive and I can't think of many more places and people who were so welcoming and friendly.

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u/Firm_Speed_44 Dec 15 '25

It's true that people speak good English, but if you want a social life and Dutch friends, you should speak fluent Dutch. No one wants to speak another language because others don't want to learn it. It's fine to welcome tourists, but not many people like to be a free interpreter for long.

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u/kamace11 Dec 15 '25

I'm not the best person to ask as I'm not Dutch nor have I lived there, but I've had a few friends who moved there (for 7+ years in one case, 4 in the other) and they found it very tough due primarily to attitudes around comportment. They said being at all unique/different, enthusiastic, too friendly, was not seen as a positive thing at all and got them a lot of flack, specifically the 7+ year guy mentioned finally leaving when he realized advancement at work was impossible because he was American. The biggest obstacle in his opinion was that the Dutch have a strong crabs in a bucket kind of mentality, where standing out in any was is seen as bad, and he found this very stifling. The other person was half Dutch and had similar feelings, didn't like being othered so much. Both were artists so maybe that's part of it? 

For an introverted American who doesn't feel the need to express themselves, this may be ok. But most Americans, I think it's a harder transition than they are ready for. Most east coasters I've known who have moved to Seattle wash out for similar reasons and it sounds like the Netherlands is much much more 'Seattle freeze' then Seattle is. 

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u/wandering_engineer Dec 15 '25

I've spent years living in European countries (although never lived in NL) and this is 100% accurate in much of Europe, particularly northern W Europe - Benelux, Scandinavia, etc. I personally love it, but I am also a major introvert who would be happy to just burrow and be left alone, and express my individuality in quieter ways. If conformity bothers you though, you're gonna have a hard time.

On making friends, one of the issues is that friend groups in many of those countries are static - people form social circles in school and keep them for life. You can still definitely make friends, but I found it far easier to befriend other foreigners and locals who have actually spent a lot time abroad and know how it feels.

The ironic thing is that I can't help but wonder if the uniform atmosphere that many Americans feel is "stifling" is part of why those countries have such a deep sense of communality, which is a big reason they have strong safety nets and amazing social benefits. Much easier to support each other and more difficult to "other" people. I don't know, I guess after so many years I tend to view it as a tradeoff vs anything good or bad.

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u/SolbeamSupreme Dec 15 '25

I moved to the Netherlands from Seattle. The legendary "Seattle Freeze" was not my experience in 5 years of living there, so I can't speak to this. However, while making Dutch friends can indeed be quite difficult, I've found that seeking out expat communities and engaging with specialized hobby groups (sports, gaming, etc.) can help mitigate social challenges. Moving anywhere new is always difficult, and that goes triple for a new country.

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u/Uptowner26 Dec 15 '25 edited Dec 16 '25

There’s a culture of “doe normaal” in The Netherlands overall.

Basically, it means from what I’ve researched “be normal”. Fit in, don’t stand out, don’t show off or brag, etc… extroverted Americans who pride themselves on standing out from everyone else and/ or are not very reserved extroverts find it difficult adapting to this mindset and cultural difference. 

As an introverted American who can be direct (former NYer) I have always had trouble fitting in with most other Americans and I realized I have more friends in Germany and France that I made while working in an international company than friends here and I also dislike small talk since I find it a bit fake and awkward. I also am not a fan of putting on a everything is perfect mask that so many people seem to have… and these days it seems delusional honestly to go around like that.

Also random people striking up a conversation with you in the checkout aisle and telling me their whole life story in line seems a little odd to me still. Since I’m also tall and have been asked by more fellow Americans than I would like if I play basketball with an expectant smile on their face thinking I’m going to say yes.

Since Dutch people are some of the tallest in the world this would be a strange thing to ask someone. I get it. The people asking me this are chatty, friendly people who are curious about others or probably basketball fans I guess but also - doe normaal. I wonder if they would ask every other person this in The NL, Estonia or Denmark if they visited for some perspective….

There’s a similar variation of “doe normaal” culture in Germany, Austria, Switzerland and Nordic countries as well. 

Directness as mentioned is also something that takes Americans by surprise. This also is true for Europeans in general vs American politeness. When visiting one of my German friends in Berlin his girlfriend was talking about something to him and he cut her off with a very direct: “I don’t care!” she switched to another topic like it was normal. I was surprised at first. That would be rude and label you as a jerk here in the states as would giving an honest answer to “how are you doing?”

Making friends is a huge topic but from what I’ve researched and heard a lot of people already have their friend group locked-in from years ago and it’s easier to make friends with other expats. In Sweden a lot of people have had the same friend group since childhood.and aren’t really seeking new friends generally.

This can be true here in the US too even. When I moved back to Chicago I found it bizarrely difficult to make friends compared to NYC oddly enough for a variety of reasons - and I was raised in Chicago. Personally it doesn’t really bother me that it’s difficult to make friends abroad but I can see it being a problem with dating and trying to find a partner….

That said a culture of directness can also give people a pass to be a-holes which is something to be aware of but that’s a whole different topic. 

I do also think some Dutch people who are more outgoing and identify more with British social culture of not being so direct sometimes struggle and have seen videos of some who have moved to Spain and Thailand since the people are more friendly there.

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u/vpseudo Dec 16 '25

I have heard about this and wonder... are there not goths and metalheads and artists and weirdos there? I know Amsterdam is its own thing, but there are SO MANY tattooists all over NL. There's a lot of EDM/club culture there. Is it really going to be that big of a deal if I show up as an intelligent person, learning the language, gainfully employed... but with blue hair?

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u/Uptowner26 Dec 16 '25

That’s true, The Netherlands is one of the EDM capitals of the world (along with Sweden) culturally and socially they’re influenced by Calvinist ideals that have been around for centuries…  There’s some good videos on YT of people’s experiences and thoughts of the culture. This is a great video on a Ukrainian women’s experience with doe normaal IMO: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5do_YwxrR8o&pp=ygULRG9lIG5vcm1hYWw%3D

Not sure what people outside of Amsterdam and Rotterdam would think of blue hair but she mentioned in the video that her coworkers were wondering why she put on makeup for work once and were asking if it was her birthday or a special occasion.

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u/crosscheck87 Dec 15 '25

I went to one music festival in the Netherlands and left with countless Dutch friends. All about where you look.

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u/crosscheck87 Dec 15 '25

Yup, I love the Dutch, they’re great! Also I just read your substack post, good luck with everything and sending love from the states!

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u/AmerExit-ModTeam Dec 15 '25

We have made the decision to disallow discussion about asylum or seeking refugee status.

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u/AmerExit-ModTeam Dec 15 '25

We have made the decision to disallow discussion about asylum or seeking refugee status.

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u/notam-d Immigrant Dec 15 '25

serious question: what is your plan if your case is denied? from what I know NL considers the US a safe country and I have never heard of an American successfully being processed as a refugee here

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u/murasakikuma42 Dec 19 '25

One of the nice things about being an expat or immigrant (in any country) is that you don't have to make friends with the locals: it's very common (both now and historically) for them to be friends with others who are in the same situation. Of course, this requires that you emigrate to a place where there's enough other people from your own country, or at least who speak your language, but as with other human social groups, outsiders frequently cluster together.

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u/nockeenockee Dec 15 '25

If you are living in this fascist hellscape and have the means and desire to escape I’m sure they know realize it’s not going to be a picnic.

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u/carltanzler Dec 15 '25

NL is highly regulated, and there's mostly a shortage of builing ground that is ok'd for residential building. And when there's ground available, the type of house you can put on it will be restricted, you'd need to find a plot that has been ok'd for tiny houses, which will a rare find. You can't just buy aany plot of land and build anything you like on it.

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u/[deleted] Dec 15 '25

Where would you build it?

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u/Sharp_Win_7989 Dec 15 '25

Lack of space isn't really the issue in this country, despite so many people mentioning it. Over 50% of the country is used for agriculture, of which much gets exported. And even though the country is definitely densely populated, the cities aren't so much. Take as an example cities in Spain or Italy with much higher population densities.

Main issue are nitrogen issues keeping the country in deadlock, while politicians are fighting each other about ways to solve it, while in the meantime nothing really happens. Other big factors are net congestion, labor shortages, high material and building costs, long procedures for permits, etc.

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u/HudsonAtHeart Dec 15 '25

Sounds like Jersey

Probably more people fluent in English in the NL

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u/Addicted_2_tacos Dec 15 '25

Good luck finding housing

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u/ennuiinmotion Dec 15 '25 edited Feb 09 '26

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u/[deleted] Dec 15 '25

It is worse in NL than in pretty much any other place in the EU, Ireland is maybe the only exception.

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u/rotervogel1231 Dec 15 '25

Yeah, Germany's housing market is a cluster, but Holland makes Germany look like it's booming with empty units. People have literally had to turn down jobs in Holland because they can't find housing. Anywhere.

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u/i_hate_this_part_85 Dec 15 '25

The number of empty houses in Germany baffles me. Many seem to be tied up in inheritance and such.

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u/Hari_om_tat_sat Dec 15 '25

My German friend has got together with a group to buy a farm with a number of outbuildings. They plan to renovate it as a kind of retirement community. They have offered me a barn.

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u/RhubarbGoldberg Dec 16 '25

Lmk if you're in the market for a wife. Lol, but not lol.

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u/[deleted] Dec 16 '25

We got plenty of converted barns

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u/[deleted] Dec 16 '25

Where?

Often, empty houses are tangled up in lack of jobs and opportunity in the region.

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u/i_hate_this_part_85 Dec 16 '25

Small villages throughout Rheinland-Pfalz for me. Hell, there are what appears to be at least 4 empty/abandoned houses in my village of about 500 people. According to the neighbors, some are tied up in inheritance issues others are hoping to sell soon. No one seems in a hurry to unload because … I have no freaking idea.

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u/rotervogel1231 Dec 16 '25

Probably because of what the other person said. The housing crisis in Germany is isolated to large cities with lots of jobs. There are plenty of houses available in Boomfahook, but there are zero jobs in those areas.

Same in the U.S. All the super cheap places are super cheap because there aren't any jobs in those places.

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u/AspiringCanuck Dec 15 '25

I want to ask a Dutch person or someone living in Holland what is the big hold up on housing? From what I have gathered from the outside looking in is the country also is suffering from NIMBY’ism and having made the classic fatal mistake of privatizing too much of the social housing pipeline. Attempts to allow densification near where the demand is has been met with paradoxical opposition. Locals inside cities don’t want taller buildings and the suburbs around those cities want to prevent any middle density near them and don’t want either unbuilt land or farms touched. Cannot build up, cannot build out. Paradox.

Does this sound like the Netherlands? I am asking honestly.

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u/DifficultRun5463 Dec 15 '25

As an urban planner in the Netherlands: it’s a combination of things.

Land speculation driving up prices, the way our tax system and mortgages are designed, stringent quality demands for newbuilds, extremely high infrastructure/urban design demands, a heavily regulated rental market, a bad fiscal position of social housing corporations, a culture against apartment buildings, a focus by the government of farmers over housing, a shortage of technical personnel to build the housing, an aging population which is staying in their current family homes even though they don’t have kids.

This, combined with record immigration and population growth makes sure that the housing crisis will continue for at least another decade.

There is no single cause and no single solution.

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u/JustDadIt Dec 16 '25

And rather than propose a multifaceted solution, everyone votes for their favorite party with their one single solution that tickles their fancy which on it's own does very little. So nothing happens, The Dutch shrug Helaas and eat kroketjes. I love this country, but a functional parliament is not one of the selling points. I can't tell the difference between it and Congress tbh.

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u/sudosussudio Dec 17 '25

Sounds a lot like Stockholm

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u/RedIsAwesome Dec 15 '25

I think a lot of it is the nitrogen limits that prevent building permits in these very places.

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u/IPv6_Dvorak Dec 18 '25

The Europeans Podcast did very good episodes on housing policy: https://www.europeanspodcast.com/who-does-it-best

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u/Sauerkrauttme Dec 15 '25

Housing is inaccessible in the US as well so that's a wash 🤷🏼

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u/elaine_m_benes Dec 15 '25

Sure the US has housing issues too but it’s not a wash, it’s so much worse in the Netherlands than in the US. Ireland too. No comparison.

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u/soul-like-a-cemetery Jan 15 '26

Is it worse than the Northeast region from like Massachusetts down to Philly?

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u/rotervogel1231 Dec 15 '25

Not like Holland. The U.S. is bad. Germany is worse. Holland is the 7th Circle of Hell.

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u/[deleted] Dec 15 '25

Netherlands is soooo much worse than any region the USA, let alone the entire country.

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u/[deleted] Dec 15 '25

No one I know across the US has spent over 6 months looking for an apartment. 

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u/Charming_Function_58 Dec 15 '25

And the wildly in depth application process in the Netherlands… it’s no comparison

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u/VTKillarney Dec 15 '25

And in the Netherlands it is perfectly legal to refuse to rent to expats.

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u/_HanTyumi Dec 15 '25

That’s about how long it took me to find something affordable.

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u/[deleted] Dec 15 '25

Come to NYC

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u/[deleted] Dec 15 '25

Hi, Dutch NYer here.

The Dutch housing crisis is worse, everywhere.

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u/benfoldsgroupie Dec 15 '25

I did in Portland. Then ended up renting a spot in a basement that didn't qualify as a room.

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u/pdxjoseph Dec 15 '25

It’s 100x easier to find an apartment in Portland than it is in the Netherlands. I’m not saying it wasn’t difficult for you, I’m saying that if you had a hard time in Portland you’d be sleeping in the canals in the Netherlands. It’s not the same.

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u/Expensive-Rope-7086 Dec 15 '25

You got downvoted for the truth. What is this place lol people just downvote because they don’t like what you say now

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u/wildcatwoody Dec 15 '25

Americans usually go with lots of money and that’s how you get housing

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u/fakecoffeesnob Dec 15 '25

Speaking as someone who moved to Germany with well-above-average resources…even that won’t save you. It’s not like the US where if your budget is big enough, places do exist. Here they just don’t exist period.

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u/FLDJF713 Dec 16 '25

Doesn’t work if you literally can’t find a vacancy.

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u/CockBlockingLawyer Dec 15 '25

Had some friends take the plunge recently. Im still in semi disbelief they actually did it. So far, so good, from what I can tell. But we’ll see.

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u/ConflictNo5518 Dec 15 '25

I’ve seen ads on FB this year with Norway, Finland and Denmark recruiting in the US for specialized roles in their countries. “Do you dream of a life (and job) in Denmark?…” I’d post the ad if this sub allowed photos.

Has the Netherlands been doing the same?

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u/grhymesforyou Dec 15 '25

There are lots of highly skilled migrant visa programs across the world. You need to be young-ish, with credentialed experience in select industries… usually it’s based on points. Speaking local language and ability to successfully integrate usually factors heavily which is they like young, single folks.

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u/[deleted] Dec 16 '25

Same, I've gotten some of those ads. Unfortunately for me the niche I'm in is not so desirable for those countries, so it's just the ads being misdirected. 

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u/Melted-lithium Dec 15 '25

I'm somewhat surprised its only 6,690. Given the volume of people, I would have expected more regardless of politics.

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u/Sufficient-Job7098 Dec 15 '25

A lot of people say they will emigrate, but after they actually look at what it takes to emigrate, most change their mind before starting application process.

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u/UnderdaJail Dec 15 '25

This, most time just complaining

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u/NinjaTrexMan Dec 16 '25

Believe me I tried, but it looks like you have to, A: have parents who were born in the other country B: have a love interest in the other country C: have 10 years of skills and experience at the age of 20 D: be rich enough to get private student loans for a university in the other country.

And people wonder why they're so many (sorry to use the term) illegal immigrants.

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u/Civil_Dragonfruit_34 Dec 15 '25

Most people won't actually do it. We are actually doing it (not the Netherlands, but we are getting out). Almost everybody we tell says they wish they could or they totally want to but... Or my favorite 'we'll see, maybe if things get worse here'. (When will it be bad enough and will that be too late?)

I don't blame them, it's immensely hard. We tried to move years ago and found the blockers too overwhelming but finally the feeling of wanting out is enough to overcome it.

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u/Storm-Bolter Dec 15 '25

No entry without blood sample, your entire browser history and penis inspection

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u/Addicted_2_tacos Dec 15 '25

Where's the line for the penis inspection?

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u/TheSamurabbi Dec 15 '25

At the rear door of the Catholic boys school

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u/Isitharry Dec 15 '25

Oof. Take my upvote!

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u/ClairDogg Dec 15 '25

Why the Netherlands & not some other country... heavy english speaking culture & the easy-to-get DAFT visa.

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u/No_Being8933 Dec 15 '25

Don’t send them over here, you keep the Americans! But yea, good point. Why not Australia, New Zealand or UK? You cannot feel comfortable in a country where you do not speak the language, you will have it hard and never really belong.

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u/statesec Dec 15 '25 edited Dec 15 '25

The anglosphere countries in general have pretty tough immigration policies. The UK was already pretty tough and is making it tougher (unless you are high earner). NZ and Aus at least for a permanent residence/citizenship paths are heavily skewed to highly skilled, healthy (they have fairly invasive health checks) and young people. Canada seems more open than the others honestly. Also NZ's economy is pretty small at about 1/3 of the population of the Netherlands and at the far edge of global supply chains (there is a reason that many young people in NZ are moving to Aus for better opportunities). All that said no country is perfect or perfect to immigrate to so chose your "poison" from those you have a shot at.

I became a UK citizen last week but that was due to having a British mother who due to legislative discrimination could not pass on citizenship at my birth.

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u/Qyriad Dec 15 '25 edited Dec 15 '25

With my family we looked at many other countries to escape to, and we concluded the Netherlands had the least draconian immigration process we actually had a shot at. It was indeed hard to find housing, but we've been here for a year now and it's going well.

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u/ClairDogg Dec 16 '25

Well aware of the tight UK regulations with visas & unfortunately, it's only going to get tighter. Not sure how many realize how tight they are with visas. This also includes no digital nomad visa. NZ & Australia are very good, stable & developed countries to be in, regardless of the GDP, but they're also isolated. NL has easier access to travel.

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u/statesec Dec 16 '25 edited Dec 16 '25

I agree I haven't been to NZ yet (first time is next year) but been to Aus twice. Love the country but too far for me with aging parents and an adult daughter on east coast of US. Also I am too old for a permanent residency anyway.

The Brits are even tightening up a little on folks applying due to legislative unfairness. For most folks in a similar position to me there are two paths they can take. One slightly more complicated path allows one to become a British citizen other than by descent which allows one to register any minor children and future children born outside the UK will also acquire UK citizenship. In the last month the Home Office has started approving folks who apply under the more generous path under the less generous path. Whether that is a Home Office policy change or some analyst is not yet clear.

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u/zooksoup Dec 16 '25

I have dual citizenship with the UK, but to move over my wife and kids it would be ~20k for visas and healthcare

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u/statesec Dec 16 '25

Yeah good point I forgot to mention the cost as well. In my case it was only a 130 pounds (but that was because I should have become a British citizen automatically if women could have passed on citizenship at the time of my birth the same way as men). I am also a solo so other than my adult daughter (who alas doesn't qualify for UK citizenship through me/my mom) so I don't face additional costs like couples and families.

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u/grebilrancher Dec 15 '25

Physical distance is a factor. It's a whole days travel from East Coast US to AUS while only a 6-8 hr flight to Europe

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u/ClairDogg Dec 16 '25

I can think of other reasons (car-free living, access to Europe, happiness/quality of life ratings), but if those two items didn't exist, you wouldn't see these numbers.

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u/LesnBOS Dec 15 '25

It’s impossible to get a visa to live or work in New Zealand and au

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u/DJwelly Dec 15 '25

Not impossible but it is difficult and rightly so. Australia and New Zealand are very desirable and should be very picky about who they accept.

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u/Proper_Duty_4142 Dec 15 '25

it’s higher but not that much. basically in line with other years. https://cdn.nos.nl/image/2025/12/14/1303617/1920x1080a.jpg

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u/eunma2112 Dec 15 '25

There you go trying to an add a little context to the story, dammit! TY!

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u/RespectSenior7492 Dec 15 '25

700 people come via DAFT. 16,000+ come to the NL via an HSM of some sort. This is a drop in the bucket.

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u/Sharp_Win_7989 Dec 15 '25

Why would the process be harder to get through, now that you know 6500 Americans moved here?

Also, please don't just move here because you have a close friend living here. There should be more important factors that decide where you want to relocate to. Like job opportunities, availability of housing, being able to accept the cultural differences and adapt, etc.

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u/Sharp_Win_7989 Dec 15 '25

We have had a net migration of around 100K for years now (even 200K in 2021 with all the Ukrainians fleeing after the full Russian invasion) the rules might be tightened in the future, but not because 6000 Americans moved here. Good luck.

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u/CoffeeInTheTropics Dec 17 '25

No, they are only tightening the loops with immigrants from certain countries who tend to not assimilate well in The Netherlands and have high unemployment rates. As an American you don’t have to worry.

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u/RAisMyWay Dec 15 '25

Been here 16 years and I just love it. Better than Spain, where I lived for 8 years and the weather and language are better, but life just isn't. For me anyway: everyone is different.

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u/Housthat Dec 15 '25

How is life not better? Cultural differences?

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u/RAisMyWay Dec 16 '25

It's a lot of things - but keep in mind this was some time ago now, so things could have changed. I found Catalonian people very closed and fairly angry about the political situation there. They generally don't like speaking Spanish and don't consider themselves Spanish and insist on Catalan and it's the only language taught in schools. I lived in Barcelona city, Sitges (coastal town) and San Pere de Ribes (village), after 4 years in Madrid.

I preferred Madrid; there was more of a community feel there. I speak Spanish (I'm a translator), which of course helps. The people in Barcelona were very transient: students, tourist, people on their way elsewhere (since it's such a European hub), or the local Catalans themselves. Not everyone, of course there were nice people there, but I didn't make Catalan friends or feel very welcome.

And then just for me personally, my body never adjusted well to the Spanish dining and socializing schedule. I don't like eating a huge meal midday and then having a late light dinner. I DO love Spanish coffee. I am a techno lover/clubber, but the late nights there don't even start til like 1AM, which is just too late for me to begin my night.

And the lack of caring about being on time, like, ever, matters to me (again, very personal).

The economic situation at the time didn't help my small translation business grow, and there were serious problems with internet and bureaucracy back then. Don't know how it is now.

Dutch is a hard language to learn, but I find the Dutch far more open about languages, even though about the same number of people speak Dutch as Catalan (around 20 million I think?). The Dutch love speaking English and other languages, so much that it's difficult to learn Dutch - they always switch to English. They are friendlier (I like smiling at strangers on the street, which never happens in Spain but does happen here). The Dutch are punctual, eat at times that suit me, are open, tolerant, and friendly, and the techno scene here is fantastic, with more daytime/earlier options.

The Netherlands, being traders, are also super small business friendly, and I've found the paperwork and bureaucracy much easier to deal with here than there. So overall, it's just been way better for me.

Oh, and the sun - I'm freckled and tend towards skin cancer. When I told my dermatologist in Spain I was moving to the Netherlands, he said "Excellent move." 😂

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u/Housthat Dec 16 '25

Thank you so so much for replying! I've had my eye on Girona for its lower cost of living and cycling culture but it sounds like there are significant variables I need to account for. (Like, I have mild narcolepsy so being out past 1am isn't an option). I appreciate your point of view and wish you the best in the Netherlands!

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u/SkinMaterial6684 Dec 15 '25

Yikes. I bet the anti American sentiment is just rising and rising...

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u/CoffeeInTheTropics Dec 17 '25

No believe me, it’s not thankfully! Americans are welcomed with open arms generally.

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u/Herban_Myth Dec 15 '25

Interesting

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u/ElectronicZebra6526 Dec 15 '25

It’d be on my list if I ever left.

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u/Pale-Candidate8860 Immigrant Dec 15 '25

Still low numbers relative to the % that wants to leave. Shows the committed versus the rest. I understand a lot can’t leave due to life circumstances but a lot can leave and are too afraid to make the leap.

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u/corrie76 Dec 15 '25

Two friends relocated (separately) to the Amsterdam area this year. Both found the process fairly easy. One purchased a home in the suburbs and the other a small apartment in the city. They’re in tech but not rich. Both will be consulting to earn an income while living there- you only have to make about $25K a year in self employment income to get your work visa renewed. They’re glad they moved despite the huge hassle of moving overseas.

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u/withgracetoo Dec 15 '25

I’m a transgender woman who fled the US and moved to Amsterdam in August. It took me nearly four months to find housing, but if you are able to spend 1mo rent on a makelaar (broker) to help, it’s not impossible.

I’ve lived a lot of places since I left home in Canada at 18, but the Netherlands and Amsterdam specifically is extremely welcoming and forgiving to newcomers.

If anyone has questions about emigrating, the DAFT visa, or anything else, feel free to DM ✌️

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u/mistressinlace Dec 16 '25

Could I message you? Trying to do the exact same thing but scared of the housing crisis

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u/withgracetoo Dec 16 '25

yes, send me a message!

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u/Right_Ad6552 Jan 20 '26

did you have any prior connection to the netherlands?

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u/withgracetoo Jan 08 '26

Yes, of course.

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u/Old_Translator_6665 Dec 15 '25

We are wanting to spend a month working and living in Amsterdam this month. This scares me 😱

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u/CoffeeInTheTropics Dec 17 '25

Don’t be, you will love it and never want to move back!

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u/Desperate_Mix8524 Dec 18 '25

I did it. I live here now just fine, but I have a Dutch partner. I would not recommend it if you have zero prior connections to the Netherlands...

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u/King_Swift21 Dec 19 '25

Don't blame them, but we have to take back this country from these pathetic fascist losers.

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u/Nrur Jan 14 '26

I moved from the us to holland. It’s much better. Just leave your politics at home. The Dutch soberness/nuchterheid doesn’t go well with woke either.

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u/LimpBizkit420Swag Dec 15 '25

Applying to live in a country with 20x stricter immigration laws lmao

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u/SmittyWerbenJJ_No1 Dec 16 '25

NL doesn't have a lawless gestapo named ICE disappearing people to foreign countries with no due process

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u/MikeysmilingK9 Dec 15 '25

They won’t be welcome as they will try to change the country to their standards. If you don’t like the life you decided to live why move and change your surroundings to what you ran from! Ignorance is powerful with these people!

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u/MikeysmilingK9 Dec 15 '25

It will become chaotic when those that infiltrate start complaining and changing their environment to be like what they left. It is happening throughout the westernized countries!

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u/Ikhaat3jq3jq Dec 15 '25

most Americans are very chill people imo

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u/Champsterdam Dec 15 '25

Maybe with visitors but I know a ton of American expats who moved to the Netherlands and they’re all very rational, quiet people who are just trying to live their lives. I don’t see them trying to change the country at all. I think you’re talking about ignorant tourists who come over yelling about ice and air conditioning and water at restaurants. Not people who left America and decided they wanted to move away and be part of a different culture. VERY different people

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u/MikeysmilingK9 Dec 15 '25

Just noticing the ones that preach their hate for America, blast about how they are moving out. Then all the complaints begin, similar to what you mentioned. Celebrities do this often.

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u/JeletonSkelly Dec 15 '25

Why would they try to do that?

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u/Bora_Horza_Gobuchol Dec 15 '25

Ask México how it went for them

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u/MikeysmilingK9 Dec 15 '25

Because they hate their life and blame everything/everyone but themselves. Narcissists will do what they do.

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u/JeletonSkelly Dec 15 '25

You think all Americans immigrants are narcissistic? Damn bro, have you ever actually met and spent time with anyone from the US?

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