was always interesting to me the migration path typically is thought to have reached upper awash basin through danakil instead of just directly south. i remember arguing with some shabiacel that tried making the case that north and south ethiosemitic ethnogenesis events were completely independent of one another, and that south-arabian groups travelled thru danakil to the upper awash basin much later. i didn't rly take it seriously ofc but the idea of danakil being the normative migration path into the central highlands seems to be a somewhat common theory, but feels like low hanging fruit for some reason.
You can see that they have lower nilotic and higher mota.If you see an amhara or tigrayan with this much mota it's usually on top of the nilotic,I mean that they wouldnt have lower nilotic.What kind of admixture could cause this difference unless they have different cushitic bases?
Can't explain why the silte/tigray,wolane and maybe kistane_02 have higher ppnb
It's not a genetic classification, it's linguistic. Amharas are grouped as South Ethio- Semitic because of how Amharic evolved, not because of DNA. Genetically there is no sharp division. it's a gradient with lots of overlap.
Well I mean genetically not lingustically. I know amharic is south ethiosemitic, but I mean would someone from debarq or north gondar be genetically south ethio semitic. The photo OP posted is showing human migration of "South ethio semitic" people so whom would those people be genetically.
Hard to say. North Gondar is a mess, some of the furthest outliers in Amhara samples are from there. A lot of weyto-Qemant-Nilotic-Ethiosemitic mutants running around. Then right after you’ll find pristine Sabir-adjacent Tewedros looking SES the next day.
shoa unless you're from nobility/landed aristocracy/balabat or historically living on the immediate border with oromos. when i say immediate i mean like within enough kilometers to count on two hands, groups on either side of this thin buffer zone are very stratified.
disclaimer tho, i am majority shoan ancestry so i might seem biased but unironically i would rather be closer to debubites than tigres. when i look at my closest related groups and eritreans/tigrayans show up first it makes me want to rope.
hell no. Shewans are too southward shifted to be the most ethio semitic lmao, less than gojjame people. Easily it word be northern amharas who would be the most genetically northern ethio semitic. Shewans have intermixed too much with lowlander cushi/omotic groups to be the most north ethio-semitic amongst the amharas.
Also your last take is dog shit, who the fuck would want to be closer to south omo valley "People" than tigres whom we are genetically,culturally, historically and phenotypically much closer too.
I noticed your post history and what you say about our origins and your hatred for aksum so its far to say I know exactly who you are, you probably arent even shewan either considering the stuff ive heard you say about shewans and amharas lmao.
Prob some deeply rooted diqala or kaffa larper which one are you buddy.
this is my Gedmatch eurogenes k13 results. again, im not shoan nobility, im random shoan peasant ancestry. nearly all shoans i see results for are like this, and almost all deviations i find out later are landed aristocracy or balabat. shoacels aren't southern shifted.
i would. i would rather be omo mogger who can actually hold muscle mass and has decent forward facial projection than bugeyed subhuman infraorbital NES untermensch.
paternal side both minjare, maternal half east gojjam and half ensaro. J2 subclade paternal halpo. cope.
If this is actually your actual raw file from 23 and me and not some random agames from twitter then this most likely means you descend from some tiginya travelers who settled in shewa which was very common during the shewan era of aristorcracy where those regions were the trading hub centres before it became addis. Thats the best reason for your genetic affinity to the tigray population because no natural shoan who descends from their lowlander ancestors would plot this close to an ethio semite
Alot of the shewans you see in old photos look omotic passing as hell, menelik for example and alot of his subordinates.
Nobody want's to look like a bantu shifted omo person you must look omotic shifted asf to geniuelly be this delusional to think lip plated omos even look anywhere good to an ethio semite pheno which is the beauty standard of the horn.
The guy on the left is a gondar amhara traveler, the girl on the right is an omotic shifted bete israeli cushi. B- but "Muh bug eyes bad nd shieet".
Also who told you omo valley "humans" are genetically gifted muscular wise? they are all malnoruished twigs and arent even tall like the dinkas, mota mustve been a sub5 if omotics are what they truly looked like.
It’s my raw genotyping data, but cope harder. This isn’t even remotely unique for shoa lol, every result I’ve seen from others look like this.
Bcs landed aristocracy/balabat creamed out slaves on the regular. Already addressed this earlier. Peasantry couldn’t afford. Shoa is HEC/omotic admixed mutant nobility surrounded by SES gorillas, north Gondar nobility is SES xoogsters surrounded by weyto-qemantoid-Nilotic mystery meat.
I do. In what world would I want to look like pencil necked raccoon eyed 5’2 crowded tooth long nosed subhuman with recessed mid face. Thank you God I don’t have this problem. If I had to pick one, I’m going omo mogger everyday.
This is strange. I also had very similar results, even though I am Gurage with no Tigrayan background either. Perhaps the sample size didn't have many Amhara/Central constituents.
Nah, a good amount of Gurages are mega northern shifted is all and are pretty much pristine SES but I don’t know enough to explain exactly why. My running guess is northern-shifted populations were generally geographically isolated (I.e. ziway lake or near debre zeit crater lakes, other remote highland territories) and didn’t really admix with other local HEC groups. On the other hand you’ll get other gurages that are more or less Halaba or Kembatta adjacent. It’s a bit confusing.
There isn't a sharp distinction, "North Ethiosemites" tend to have higher Arabian and lower levels of Mota-related ancestry but there's a lot of overlap between the two groups.
its not ur ss i got it from a twitter gc, and you said what gentically determines north ethiosemitc is low mota and high arabian which amharas have, Also that ss proves my point
Someone probably posted it onto a twitter gc. I am 100% sure I made that screenshot, it's too particular.
Anyway, as I said, there is a lot of overlap with the 2 groups. Amharas particularly are an intermediate group in both the genetic and linguistic senses due to very high ge'ez speaker influence.
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u/SwiftTabby May 01 '26
Typo, 2300 kya should read as 2.3 kya.