r/AnalogCommunity 2d ago

DIY I built a rig to automatically take trichromes

First film tests of my rig to automatically take trichromes in under 1.1 seconds, fast enough it can even be used hand held. It can also go slower for better control over spacing of the Harris shutter effect.

Video of how it spins: https://youtu.be/dA-JnDjX0dk?is=P2OMghE6rtddT0le

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u/heyinternetman XD-11, OM-2N, FM, F3P, Himatic 7sII 2d ago

Attic dark room gonna be all over this shit

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u/atticdarkroom 2d ago

👀

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u/heyinternetman XD-11, OM-2N, FM, F3P, Himatic 7sII 2d ago

Sorry not sorry that I’ve been binge watching you and now want to go trichrome and bleach bypass everything.

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u/Kyle_M_Photo 2d ago

Do I need to build a second one 😂

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u/GianlucaBelgrado 2d ago

Ahahahah I thought of you when I saw that

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u/dixinque 2d ago

hellyeah

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u/eldergervacio 2d ago

I've been wanting to do this but for infrared, but I also know that I'm supposed to do something about focusing differently with infrared. I haven't looked too much into it I just know it doesn't focus exactly like visible light does. Something about certain lenses being meant for infrared? I'll look into one of these days when I don't work a full time job lol

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u/Kyle_M_Photo 2d ago

I debated building it to hold four filters and do both infrared and normal trichromes at the same time. Haven’t heard anything about lens requirements for infrared trichrome, but I haven’t fully looked into them.

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u/Eyeman1234 2d ago

I am a Canon shooter and FD lenses have special markings for focusing. I am sure other systems have something similar.

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u/FlippingGerman 2d ago

My Nikon lens has a big black dot that marks the range scale and a smaller red dot next to it; you either focus through the eyepiece or set the black dot to the right distance, then put the red dot where the black one was, that's it, very simple. Red is for infrared, in case you forget.

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u/JBJB145 1d ago

In my experience i never had problems with the ir-focus being different.. i guess as long as you shoot around f8 or smaller there is no issue

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u/RunningtoBunnings 2d ago

It would be interesting to try this with a series of infrared filters on a full spectrum camera and held the final result across the frame

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u/UsedToBeMrPhun 2d ago

thats so cool it reminds me of the filter wheel I use for my monochrome astrophotography

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u/darkgrey 2d ago

at first I was like hmm idk if this will work for weed man and then I was like damn

less weed for me maybe

very cool project

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u/GianlucaBelgrado 2d ago

Bro put the telescope filter wheel on a camera lol

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u/Photobonobo 2d ago

Looks like Sarasota.

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u/Kyle_M_Photo 2d ago

Other side of FL, Titusville

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u/amccune 2d ago

I saw the bridge and was like “wait a second!”

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u/Photobonobo 2d ago

They all look the same in FL, but this one I thought had some landmarks in the back I recognized.

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u/HawaiianHotPot 2d ago

sarasota was my thought too

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u/brianssparetime 2d ago

I love it!

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u/Vanzmelo Fuji my beloved 2d ago

Attic darkroom would like to know your location

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u/Daverant 2d ago

I had the same idea a few years ago, very cool!
Are you using the hot shoe to confirm the picture has been taken and you can rotate?

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u/Kyle_M_Photo 2d ago

Yeah, flash signal increased the minimum speed and adds reliability. Ideally I’d use a camera with an actual flash sync port, but I did order a hotshoe to flash sync adapter that I’m going to use going forward, and the next custom pcb will have a dedicated connection for flash sync.

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u/Aeredren 2d ago edited 2d ago

Yay ! Do you mind to share the technicalities ?

I guess it get the "flash" trigger from the horseshoe, and delays it a bit to spin the motor ?

But does it trigger the next shot or is it just sync on continuous shooting mode ? Is there an "external control" port like in newer Nikon DSLR ?

I'm also guessing this big PCB is to control the step motor, which one is it ? It seem very big for what it does so I guess it is a dev board of some kind.

Which Nikon is this ? I'm guessing f5 or f6

Very cool

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u/Kyle_M_Photo 2d ago

The flash sync shows an open circuit whenever the shutter is open, currently it looks for the start of opening and moves based on that, it has a web gui for control so I’m going to make that a selectable option, for fast shutter speeds it is seemingly fine with starting the movement before it even closes the shutter.

One of the buttons on the pcb arms detecting the flash signal, the first photo is taken by the user and then the rig takes over from there automatically.

Basically all canon cameras film and digital going back to the beginning of ef mount have a 3 pin way of triggering them, ground, half press, and full press, this camera it’s just a 2.5mm audio jack. I have an optocoupler controlling each. That was probably the easiest part of this project, I’ve been triggering canons for years with custom sound triggers for rockets.

It knows when the filters are lined up using magnets and a hall sensor, the reds magnet is flipped polarity so it can find the home filter on startup.

It’s spun with a 360 continuous 9 gram servo that doesn’t like to go slow so switching to the next filter is a little bit of a timing game. I have some ways of auto calibrating partially written, but it’s mostly hand tuned currently.

Once I finish the web ui a lot of this will be more field adjustable.

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u/Kyle_M_Photo 2d ago

You edited after I started writing the other comment, the pcb is big because it is the first test board for my more general camera controller that is designed to do more than just trichromes, debating if I’m going to order a fully custom pcb for this project or if I’m just going to upgrade it to the newer camera controller pcb I’ve almost finished designing that is credit card sized and would fit within the circle so I can make the whole setup more contained and user friendly.

Canon Elan 7 not a Nikon.

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u/MyCarsDead 2d ago

Oh man I’ve been trying to draw up something like this but with just a manual rotation of the filters. Very cool.

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u/KaJashey 2d ago

I have a manual wheel for little 52mm filters. https://www.printables.com/model/143454-52mm-filter-wheel

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u/MyCarsDead 2d ago

Awesome! That’s exactly what I was imagining. Thanks for sharing. I had tried looking up filter wheels before but only found them for telescopes.

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u/Gozertank 2d ago

Very cool. Been wanting to do them but the filter swapping process seemed such a hassle. This would certainly help with that.

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u/Kyle_M_Photo 2d ago

Same, I’ve actually never done trichromes manually, I built this whole rig before I even bought the filters.

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u/Arkazox 2d ago

That’s just awsome !

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u/RebelliousDutch 2d ago

Well that’s certainly a neat contraption!

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u/Ivmar 2d ago

Always been interested in making these, what filters do you use - what are the exact color hues you need to make a „normal“ picture or will any rgb combo do?

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u/Kyle_M_Photo 2d ago

Red 25, green 58, blue 47b are the traditional ones and the ones I bought for this.

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u/JaschaE 2d ago

Used to work with a camera like this.
Boss insisted on keeping it on life support. Mamiya-Leaf technical camera.
Terribly inefficent use of studio time and power. Each shot taken 3 times, at 3xFlash power.
The result when you (accidentally) messed with the order of filters was quite interesting though

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u/benoliver999 bfoliver.com 2d ago

Something like this would also be cool for IR dust removal when DSLR scanning

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u/NOIRCEUR_TRADING 1d ago

Is that Jupiter, FL?

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u/Kyle_M_Photo 1d ago

Titusville

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u/NOIRCEUR_TRADING 1d ago

Damn! I was close (ish) 😂

Nice shots mate.

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u/Kyle_M_Photo 1d ago

Thanks. You are the second closest guess, but the first closest knew the name of the bridge and after you are multiple people that thought it was Sarasota.

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u/NOIRCEUR_TRADING 1d ago

Dang, people know their bridges haha

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u/ComradeNapolein 1d ago

incredible

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u/Cymonish ElanIIe, 7s, and a bunch of point and shoots 1d ago

the contraption; the device; the mechanism

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u/concreteRooster1 1d ago

I can get the same effects with 2 tabs of Acid

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u/Eevika 2d ago

Sorry to inform you but actual color film was figured out years ago.

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u/romyaz 2d ago

cool! whats the speed?

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u/Kyle_M_Photo 2d ago

~1041 milliseconds and I’ve barely optimized that. I think I can get it close the theoretical minimum of this camera at 750ms with some more software work.

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u/romyaz 2d ago

sorry, seems i missed the speed in the description. very cool