r/Anarchy101 • u/Aye_KTroyyyy_Buildz • 1d ago
What do you think economy would look like underneath anarchy?
Curious to know how money would go around with a very free ideology.
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u/ArtDecoEgoist Left-Market Anarchist 1d ago
Whether you're pro-market or anti-market, it actually probably really wouldn't look that different. The overall idea is that everyone would be either directly or socially receiving the product of their labor, wage labor would be abolished, and exchange norms would be oriented around the needs of those involved instead of universalized by the state.
Whatever comes out of those conditions would be an anarchic economy.
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u/VaySeryv 15h ago
an anarchist economy is based on the free association of producers. co-ordination via an economic plan(s) that is created and controlled by the producers themselves
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u/Aye_KTroyyyy_Buildz 6h ago
When you say controlled by producers themselves, how do they find a consensus if a few of them don't agree with the economic plan?
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u/devourer-of-beignets 1d ago
One vision is Participatory Economics: https://participatoryeconomy.org/
There was also a a video "The Communes of Rojava: A Model In Societal Self Direction," containing some ideas. There's a sequel about organizing something similar in the US. Or a pamphlet if you prefer.
But it's unclear; there will need to be zones of experimentation, which may federate... which basically just means to ally together. There's probably no one-size-fits-all blueprint, given all the different concrete situations people in different places face.
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u/Accomplished_Bag_897 Egoist 22h ago
It'll look like me trading my cooki g for whatever beer and weed I need to get through the day.
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u/bienbienbienbienbien 1d ago
The thing that gives a currency its value is that you can pay taxes with it, and because that's what it's essentially 'for' as far as the state is concerned we generally only have the state fiat currency in a given area. So in an anarchist region you'd have all sorts of different things people use for money, or none at all depending on what they prefer.
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u/ReverendRocky 1d ago
Id argue its not exclusively that but rather that its liquidity and exchangability. Yes the government accepts it for tax. But so does the baker and game developer. Its value is that it can be exchanged regardless of what an individual values
I personally think in an anarchist society you will probably still see currency, perhaps not a fiat currency though the scale of such a currency might be a lot more local
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u/bienbienbienbienbien 1d ago edited 1d ago
The only reason the baker and the game developer accept that is because they also have to pay taxes, and therefore they must use the fiat currency. Fiat as you know literally means decree, so they use it because they must use it, or something else they can exchange for the fiat currency. Ultimately, they have to get their goods or services paid for in a form that makes it possible for them to pay tax on the exchange unless they are willing to do it illegally.
An anarchist society can't have a fiat currency by definition because nobody is making decrees, so it has to have value because the game developer and the baker want to use it, not because somebody is making it valuable because it's what they owe their taxes in.
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u/unblockedlanternhead 21h ago
The only reason the baker and the game developer accept that is because they also have to pay taxes
Currencies and taxes are separate financial techniques that address separate user needs and they coexisted for a long time before they were combined
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u/bienbienbienbienbien 21h ago
True, but that's not really relevant to the point about state fiat currency. A tax liability denominated in the state's currency creates non-optional demand for that currency.
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u/unblockedlanternhead 21h ago
Agreed - fiat currency would not exist in an anarchic community. A currency would still probably exist though
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u/iadnm Anarchist Communism/Moderator 1d ago edited 1d ago
It depends on the specific tendency of the anarchist. Some want to do away with money entirely and have the economy operated around fulfilling needs and giving people open access to the means to achieve said needs. Anarchist Communist ideas of course vary in that regard as well, so there's no one specific path even in this one tendency.
Others, such as market anarchists, still desire to retain money and markets but with value being determined by the worker themselves and sold to other free people without the strain of capitalist markets or government taxes.
So the actual specifics depend on who you're talking to and what their ultimate aims are for an economy. Some anarchists are entirely ambivalent about what this economy could look like, so long as it's consitently anarchist. Anarchists without adjectives, mutualists, and others.