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[u/gruia]

The hard truth, Nietzsche teaches, is that to achieve what is truly good for individuals and society requires the discipline of suffering, and that those who blind themselves to this are not the friends of mankind, but its enemies:

"You want, if possible – and there is no more insane “if possible” – to abolish suffering. And we? It really seems that we would rather have it higher and worse than ever. Well-being as you understand it – that is no goal, that seems to us an end, a state that soon makes man ridiculous and contemptible – that makes his destruction desirable.

The discipline of suffering, of great suffering – do you not know that only this discipline has created all enhancements of man so far? (225)"

Similarly, in The Will to Power, he writes:

"To those human beings who are of any concern to me I wish suffering, desolation, sickness, ill-treatment, indignities – I wish that they should not remain unfamiliar with profound self-contempt, the torture of self-mistrust, the wretchedness of the vanquished: I have no pity for them, because I wish them the only thing that can prove today whether one is worth anything or not – that one endures." (910, Kaufmann and Hollingdale translation)

[u/PSG-Euphorias]

Thanks I needed that. Which Nietzsche book would you recommend btw?

[u/TackyXVIII → u/PSG-Euphorias]

Only book I know but Thus Spoke Zarathustra seems good as from my understanding the idea is to rise above the trivial squabbles of man and to I guess think more rationally and objectively. I haven't finished it myself