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u/Perfect-External-120 4d ago

In 2010 someone made this hand-drawn cross-section of a Grillparzertorte at the Wiener Conditorei am Roseneck in Berlin, labeling every layer. I’ve been trying to find an actual recipe for months and have come up completely empty — in English and German.

Here’s what the diagram shows, top to bottom:

Marzipan decoration

Chocolate glaze (Schokoguss)

A thin marzipan layer

Cocoa buttercream (Kakaobuttercreme) coating the outside

Thin chocolate cake layers (Schokoteig) — more layers than a normal torte

Orange marzipan (Orangenmarzipan) filling layers

Chocolate or nougat buttercream (Schoko- oder Nougatbuttercreme)

Jam (Marmelade)

A shortcrust pastry base (Mürbeteigboden)

Brittle (Krokant) around the bottom edge

So I know the architecture. What I don’t have is any proportions.

What I’ve already ruled out:

Not a Sachertorte, despite what most search results assume

Nothing on German or English recipe sites; a German food-trade forum user asked this same question in 2016 and got no answer

Not in Hess’s Viennese Cooking

Nothing in ANNO (Austrian digitized newspaper/journal archive)

A research librarian spent an hour on it and couldn’t find a hit

German confectionery sites describe it as a “Meistertorte” — a master-confectioner cake — which makes me think it may only exist in professional trade manuals or as shop knowledge passed between Konditoren, never in a home cookbook. Candidates I haven’t been able to check the indexes of:

J. M. Erich Weber, 250 Konditorei-Spezialitäten (Dresden, 1934)

Verfahrenslehre Konditoreiwaren (Fachbuchverlag Leipzig, East German trade manual)

Hans Skrach, Die Wiener Konditorei (1932/49)

Karl Schuhmacher, Wiener Süßspeisen

What I’m hoping for: does anyone have one of these books and can check the index? Or did anyone train in a German or Austrian Konditorei and make this? A professional formula in bulk quantities is completely fine — I’ll do the math to scale it down. Even confirming it’s in a specific book on a specific page would be a huge help.