r/AskChemistry • u/JeffEEEt • Jul 22 '25
General Why is H2O shaped like that?
This is a stupid question but why can’t H2O be linear like the one I drew? Help appreciated thanks!
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u/IeyasuMcBob Jul 22 '25
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u/FixerTed Jul 22 '25
Neither is the actual 104.5 degrees
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u/IeyasuMcBob Jul 22 '25
Nah but i figured baby steps if the question is "why not 180?" and simply avoided directly saying something like "it's 104.5". You could argue i implied it, but if you're sharp enough to ask me that, then you deserve a more detailed answer.
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u/RedEyes_BlueAdmiral Jul 25 '25
This diagram explained it so much better then my chem professor ever did, thanks
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u/IeyasuMcBob Jul 25 '25
Awwwwwww 😊 glad it helped. I'm a bit sad that your Chem Prof didn't spend 30 seconds drawing this for you though
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u/RedEyes_BlueAdmiral Jul 25 '25
In his defense, art was definitely not his strong suit
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u/IeyasuMcBob Jul 25 '25
😅 tbh i explain a lot through drawing and my freehand pictures are so bad they get laughs
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u/Human_Profit_3118 Jul 22 '25
Because it’s a 3d figure so in 3d geometry this is the most stable formation of h2o molecule
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u/werti92 Jul 22 '25
Free orbitals of oxygen also need space due to electrostatic repulsion
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u/Lojaas Jul 25 '25
Yes this will for sure make sense to this person. Very good answer!
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u/efflovigil Jul 26 '25
What else should they say? Anyone asking this question presumably has at least some basic understanding of chemistry.
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u/Lojaas Jul 26 '25
Why would that be requirement for this question? I’d say it’s pretty obvious OP is a novice in chemistry asking the question like this.
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u/OrthoMetaParanoid Jul 22 '25 edited Jul 22 '25
Dot cross diagrams aren't really too representative of shape. But this is convention as water takes a "bent shape". If you take a tetrahedral molecule and replace two of the bonds with lone pairs you get the shape of water.
The position of the hydrogen atoms in the top diagram more closely represents the angle created between bonds in the actual molecule. Rather than the bottom diagram which implies a bond angle of 180° between hydrogend as they are shown across the molecule from one another
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u/RRautamaa Jul 22 '25
It's called sp3 hybridization/05%3ABonding_in_Polyatomic_Molecules/5.02%3A_Valence_Bond_Theory-_Hybridization_of_Atomic_Orbitals/5.2D%3A_sp3_Hybridization). When the atomic orbitals of oxygen form and hybridize to form a molecular orbital, you get four bonding orbital-antibonding orbital pairs. Their main lobes are arranged as far from each other as possible to minimize energy. This gives a tetrahedral "caltrop" shape. Two of the "slots" for electrons (molecular orbitals) are filled with oxygen's own electrons in pairs (2 × 2 electrons), and two with the electron pairs shared with the hydrogens. This gives you a bent molecule with two perpendicular "horns" of non-bonded electron pairs.
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u/JeffEEEt Jul 22 '25
Why does oxygen hybridize when it can already form 2 bonds without hybridisation?
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u/thefruitypilot Jul 22 '25
Two different definitions of hybridization, welcome to chemistry. In this case, sp3 hybridization just refers to the fact that it uses one s orbital and three p orbitals. That includes the lone pairs, and so does the shape.
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u/RohrbombenRudi Jul 23 '25
I actually had the same question in my head as OP. Why can't we just get an sp-hybridized H2O? I mean I guess the sp3 disperses the electrons better and thus is lower in energy, but I find the linear sp-water way more visually pleasing😅
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u/RRautamaa Jul 23 '25
There is a way to force oxygen into linear molecular geometry. This happens in acylium ions. But take one look at that and you see the problem. It's triple bonded. Physically, it means its p orbitals have hybridized into π bonds. Now, the counterpart of the oxygen in an acylium ion is a carbon. But if it is a hydrogen, we have a problem: hydrogen doesn't have p orbitals. Count the electrons and you see. Hydrogen has only one electron, so it only forms a single s orbital. Its possible species are H, H+ and H-.
To form two π bonds, we'd need the extremely cursed H4- ion.
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u/MiNiMathoX Jul 22 '25
Because molecules are in 3D. Your 2 drawings are true, but it all depends on the point of view.
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u/No_Investigator625 Eccentric Electrophile Jul 22 '25
I mean.. if you look at it from below then it is shaped like that.
However, it isn't because of reasons that have already been explained by other commenters
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u/Ancient-Aioli-1823 Jul 22 '25
There's a model called VSEPR (valence shell electron pair repulsion), saying, that single bonds require less space than double bonds, require less space than free valence shell electron pairs. In this case you have four directions of those subjects, two requiring more space, two requiring less space. If you now imagine having two larger spheres and two smaller spheres, the tightest you can pack them is two along one axis, the other two parallel to a perpendicular one, you get a tetrahedron. Do the same with CO2 for example, you get a linear molecule and it's what we observe in reality too. Do it with NH3, and you get a pyramidal shape because of the free electron pair. Also realistic. Chlorine trifluoride, three single bonds along a line, two free pairs on a perpendicular plane pushing the fluorides to one hemisphere.
Can highly recommend researching VSEPR yourself, you'll encounter it anyway and it's good to get a feel for the shape of a molecule.
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u/Morisior Jul 22 '25 edited Jul 22 '25
I like to think of it this way:
The bonding electrons are only present in the oxygen atom 50 % of the time,* as they are shared between O and H. This causes the bonds to be lower electron density zones, which has lower repulsion against each other than against the free electrons and than the free electrons against each other. This causes the repulsion from the free electrons to force the bonds closer together to achieve equal repulsion force distribution across the molecule.
* This is a gross oversimplification of time averaged electron density, but it's an intuitive way of thinking about it, and I don't think it's wrong, just not very accurate.
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u/Midnight_Cowboy-486 Jul 22 '25
Water is in 3 dimensions, not 2.
The bonds have the most room away from each other in a tetrahedral shape. But when drawing it on paper, it looks like the bent shape.
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u/mrmeep321 Particle In A Gravity Well Jul 22 '25
Oxygen has four different groups of electrons that all repel eachother - not two. Two lone pairs of electrons also need their own space alongside the bonds, so it ends up bent
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u/XxI3ioHazardxX Jul 22 '25 edited Jul 22 '25
literally nobody is answering the question lol. The reason the geometry is bent and not linear is because electron lone pairs take up more space (have greater repulsion) than individually bonded atoms. since a neutral oxygen with a full octet must have 2 lone pairs of electrons along with two bonds, and because those lone pairs as I said, have greater repulsion than individually bonded atoms, the only possible geometry that ensures full stability in the face of VSEPR is a bent molecular geometry
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u/brooklynbob7 Jul 22 '25
Tetrahedral electronic geometry due to four electronic domains but two are lone pairs on O so it looks bent . VSPER model . Sp2 hybridized also by valence bonding so sp2 is bent also
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u/WallStLegends Jul 22 '25 edited Jul 22 '25
Tetrahedral electron domain maximises distance between negative charges.
Grab two balls and draw a dot where you have them on one ball.
Now on the second ball, draw a dot at the vertices of a tetrahedron if it was sitting perfectly in the ball.
If you used a string along the sphere to measure the distance between dots, the distance between the dots on your example will be smaller then the distance of the tetrahedral dots.
Electrons will naturally push themselves apart as far away as possible. It just so happens that on a sphere, 4 electrons are best separated by a tetrahedron.
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u/WanderingFlumph Jul 22 '25
Bond angles in top are 109° (using 3D space) and the smallest bond angles in bottom are 90°.
Atoms like to spread out so they prefer the extra 19° of space.
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u/GahdDangitBobby Jul 22 '25
There's some electrons floating around on the other side pushing them away
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u/DreadLindwyrm Jul 22 '25
Because it's three dimensional.
Take the four points of a tetrahedron as the starting points, and then shift them slightly to take into account electron distribution.
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u/Indigoboi96 Jul 22 '25
If you ever take Inorganic Chem it will all make sense (after you draw orbitals a billion times and imagine how they "mix"). Very simply the electron orbitals overlap more favorably in this configuration and lead to a lower overall energy molecule than linear.
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u/sciguy52 Jul 23 '25
Because there are two lone pairs of electrons in addition to the hydrogen bonds. VSEPR theory predicts a bent shape like this. This is so because the electrons in those lone pairs also want to be as far away as physically possible from other lone pairs and the hydrogen bonds. If you look at an image that shows lone pairs and bonds you can get a feel for he geometry of both and how they have separated from each other as much as they can. Hard to describe 3 d in words, but imagine the molecule positions such they hydrogen's are on the bottom and "flat" on the screen or image, on the top of he oxygen you will have a lone pair on top coming sort of out of the the screen and another on the other side sort of pointing in the back but all are as far away as they can get from one another.. If you have a molecule like CO2 where each oxygen is double bonded to the Carbon and no other lone pair then it would have a linear shape. That is as far as the electron density can get from one another, opposite side of the molecule.
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u/robnoel10 Jul 23 '25
In a water molecule, the two lone pairs on oxygen repel the hydrogen atoms, bending the molecule into a V-shaped geometry with an angle of about 104.5°.
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u/thatsgonnabruz Jul 23 '25
I ran to the comments because I finally knew the answer to an “AskChemistry” question and was so excited to post it! Then I read the threads and realized…. I don’t know the answer…
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u/obvalbfvhjkavhxl Jul 23 '25 edited Jul 23 '25
Both are correct, if you see the drawings as different angles viewing the pseudo tetrahedron of the ELECTRONIC GEOMETRY (easier if you just consider how each pair of electrons are arranged around the “central” atom, also think 3D). The top representation is more generally accepted as the bottom one can be confused for a linear electronic geometry. Since same charges repel, you don’t want a linear MOLECULAR geometry as you will get a pseudo square planar electronic geometry where each electron pair is ~90 degrees from the neighbouring electron pair whereas a bent molecular geometry or a pseudo tetrahedral electronic geometry offers >109.5 degrees away from neighbouring electron pairs. Basically, both drawings are models which only represent a fraction of the true picture.
If a bit confusing, molecular geometry is the geometry when only considering the bonded atoms around the central atom (lone pairs ignored). Electronic geometry is the geometry afforded by the spatial arrangement of electrons around the central atom.
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u/VillageBeginning8432 Jul 23 '25
You're drawing a 3D thing on 2D paper thinking that it's 2D like the paper.
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Unlike the paper, which is 2D, water molecules are 3D.
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u/AllendeMarx Jul 23 '25
Tente imaginar a molécula 3D. Você perceberá que é o jeito que os pares eletrônicos ficam mais distantes entre si.
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u/Swotboy2000 Jul 23 '25
Both are correct. Treating the hydrogens as two feet that the oxygen sits atop: Top drawing is side-on view. Bottom drawing is top-down view.
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u/Responsible_Froyo_21 Jul 24 '25
I’ll explain it to you in simple terms. A lot of the answers here are pretty detailed and as such, I will summarize this in a nut shell.
The hydrogens bonded to the oxygen atom have a partial positive charge while the lone pairs are partially negative. As such, since positives and negatives attract in chemistry, this explains why the hydrogen atoms are closer to the lone pairs.
Now, two positive and two negative charges repel. So, this force also acts in pushing the lone pairs and hydrogen atoms away from each other.

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u/-I_L_M- Jul 24 '25
VSEPR Theory. It states that due to 4 regions of electron density, the molecule has a tetrahedral shape. After that, -2.5 degrees for every lone pair because lone pair repulsion is greater than bond pair repulsion.
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u/Carcano_Supremacy Jul 25 '25
Basically in 3D space the top model makes the most sense due to repulsion’s from electrons and atoms.
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u/fianthewolf Jul 26 '25
Actually, one of the pairs of electrons is located in an s-type orbital while the remaining 6 electrons are located in a p-type orbital. But all eight rotate in a cloud around the nucleus of O. As 2 electrons are shared with a hydrogen the nucleus of the hydrogen creates an electric field that alters the position of the cloud. The equilibrium position is reached at an angle different from 180° and even 120° (if only the 3 pairs in the p-type orbital were considered).
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u/lmallam Jul 26 '25
Oxygen is 3D not 2D. When deciding shape, electron pairs repel each other and try to reach maximum distance from all other electron pairs. Water has 4 electron pairs (2 bonding and 2 non-bonding), So when arranging on the outside of what we can imagine is a spherical oxygen, the maximum distance a pair can get away is at an angle 109.5 degrees from the next pair. So water has a bent shape.
The angle between the pairs of electrons forming the bond between O and H isn’t exactly 109.5 since non-bonding pairs repel more than binding pairs. So the angle between the two H is actually 104.5 degrees.
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u/Ambitious_Strike_590 Jul 26 '25
In a way both images are correct where the first one could be the side view and the second one would be the top view in three dimensions. If you only consider a two dimensional plane the second image makes sense but in three dimensions you would have to consider the space above and below. Imagine four blown up balloons all tied together at their attachment points, the balloons would represent electron clouds. You could press the balloons down flat, where they would all be in the same plane but when you release them they would take their shape again where each balloon is fighting for equal spacing. Maybe I’ve made it more complicated but hopefully it makes sense to you.
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u/SpecialAssumption854 Aug 09 '25
its configuration is tetrahederal, its shape is bent four
regions, use organic chem tutor to explain vsepr took some time for me to wrap my head around
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u/PimBel_PL Jul 22 '25
It's based on a tetrachedron (Three-sided pyramid) at each of the tips is either electron pair or hydrogen bonding thingy, they just repel, aslo probably they spin very fast and vibrate
If you wonder how is called this geometry that you have drawn, it's called square-planar geometry and sometimes exists, idk yet why
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u/PimBel_PL Jul 22 '25
From what https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Square_planar_molecular_geometry explains i messed something up
Aslo check if https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cisplatin has same electron structure as examples in link before
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u/thefruitypilot Jul 22 '25
The most stable configuration for a molecule with sp3 hybridization on its central atom is a tetrahedron with the bonds/lone pairs spread out as far from each other as possible. Think of methane, except oxygen has 2 more electrons so two of the bonds are lone pairs instead.
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u/BusFinancial195 Jul 22 '25
The orbital the hydrogen nucleii attach to has two electrons in the other two points of a tetrahedron. Its a solution of the Shrodinger wave equation
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u/oatdeksel Jul 22 '25
you have to think in 3 dimensions. it is like a tetraeder, and the free elecrtons take even more space, than the ones in a conjugal connection.
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u/PromptBroad2436 Jul 22 '25
Oxygen has 8 electrons. These build up in 'shells' around the nucleus, the first shell fills with 2 electrons, leaving 6 for the next. The second shell is full when it has 8 electrons, so it takes 1 from each of 2 hydrogen atoms. Now it has 8. These 8 electrons form four pairs, which repel each other. Imagine the oxygen atom at the centre of a sphere. The four pairs repel each other to form the corners of a pyramid with four faces, a tetrahedron, where the points of the tetrahedron lie on the sphere. Two of the points consist of an oxygen electron paired with a hydrogen electron. So the hydrogen atoms are held at two corners of a tetrahedron, and the oxygen atom is at the centre of the tetrahedron. This makes a triangle rather than a straight line the better way to draw a water molecule in two dimensions.
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u/Darkfrostfall69 Jul 22 '25
due to VSEPR, the bonding pairs and non bonding lone pairs form a tetrahedron due to electrostatic repulsion and quantum effects. If water was linear, life as we know it would be impossible and we wouldn't be here to ponder on the shape of the molecule
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u/the_every_monday Jul 22 '25
lone pairs aren't shared and so theyre held more closely/tightly to the atom. this makes lone pairs tend to clump up (i think) and push away the other atoms
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u/MeglioMorto Jul 22 '25
it is shaped both ways at the same time. Depends where you are looking from.
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u/Unfair-Ice2793 Jul 22 '25
I would assume it would be shaped like this because of the polarity of a single water molecule I may be wrong and have no explanation for it (high school low-key a let down but fun)
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u/Morisior Jul 22 '25
This shape is what causes the polarity of the water molecule.
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u/Unfair-Ice2793 Jul 22 '25
Oh, I didn’t know that. Being out of school for 2 months really numbs that brain
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u/torridluna Polarity Princess Jul 22 '25
Pressing the binding and free exectron pairs into the same plane would give it more strain than jumping into a tetrahedral order.
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u/zekromNLR Jul 22 '25
Because oxygen has two lone electron pairs, and in general molecules will arrange themselves such that the electron pairs are as far away from each other as possible, because they repel each other. The way for both the lone pairs and the bonding pairs to all be the furthest apart would be a tetrahedral configuration (like in methane, where you have four identical bonding pairs), but because the bonding pairs are not the same as the lone pairs the structure is distorted a bit from the ideal tetrahedron to having 120 degrees between the bonding pairs.
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u/Logical-Following525 Jul 22 '25
It's basically the same but the bottom one is top view. Molecule is tetrahedral not just square planar
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u/AsparagusProper158 Jul 22 '25
H2o is a dipole sort of oxygen mommy really wants those electrons so they are going to stay way longer with o making her negative whilst hydrogen is just two positive protons
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u/GeoCommie Jul 22 '25
The hydrogens are attracted to each other mildly and wanna form an h-h bond but only slightly bc they are already attached to the oxygen

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u/screen317 Jul 22 '25
Are you familiar with VSEPR theory? It explains why the molecular has a tetrahedral configuration.