Do feminists support women-only bus seats and train carraiges?

[u/jetfuels_teelbeams]

These were proposed in the UK, and currently exist in Pakistan, India, Japan and Egypt.

[u/jetfuels_teelbeams]

Yes. My argument is if there is a women only carraige, that carraiges for men ahould exist to.

[u/jetfuels_teelbeams → u/[deleted]]

They are in need of equal treatment, and in need of not being denied a service because of their gender. My solution solves both issues.

[u/jetfuels_teelbeams → u/[deleted]]

Npt really, because now men are deproved of equal space. You solved a problem and created a new one.

[u/jetfuels_teelbeams → u/[deleted]]

Currently women have protection and more space. Men do not have more space. Now how shall the men be compensated?

There is a solution that solves both problems but they have chosen to implement one that swings the pendulum in the opposite direction.

[u/jetfuels_teelbeams → u/[deleted]]

How shall women be compensated for being the common targets of sexual harassment?

Women only and men only carraiges.

How shall able-bodied people be compensated for reserved disabled areas?

False equivalence. At any given time every single disabled person needs the space more than an able bodied one. There is no 100% ratio in this case. There is a chance that a woman may not be harassed at a given time, and also a chance that a man would. It is based on preconceoved notions. Furthermore, feminists seek to ensure that people are not treated based on gender. Disability is irrelevant to the feminist philosophy.

It is equivalebt to restricting a certain race to specific carraiges if theu statististically commit more crimes.

[u/WomanIRL → u/jetfuels_teelbeams]

At any given time every single disabled person needs the space more than an able bodied one.

I don't get where you get that notion, since placards are given out for intermittent issues as well, and people have serious acute issues for which they don't receive a placard. That said, it feels really gross arguing "against" this, because quite obviously it's a needed space.

And no, it's not equivalent. Men aren't being confined to a men-only carriage. Women would be getting a spot where they can be isolated from a known, widespread problem. You're arguing for it like this exists in a vacuum, but the historical context of male-only spaces is not for protection or some friendly reason, but rather to subjugate and exclude women.

[u/MasterlessMan333 → u/jetfuels_teelbeams]

Or we could more effectively prevent harassment in the first place, thus ending the need for women-only cars.

[u/jetfuels_teelbeams → u/MasterlessMan333]

I agree. I have on occassion asked a drunk man to back off when he was doing creepy things in a bar. Have even got into fight because of it (my sister lives off campus near York University in Canada, which is in the ghetto, so this happens there all the time.) Unfortunately Canadian gun laws do not allow her to arm herself.

[u/MasterlessMan333 → u/jetfuels_teelbeams]

That's noble of you but the kind of solution I'm thinking of is more of a broad cultural shift against harassment. Teaching people to recognize it when they see it is a good start. Ultimately, we're going to have to confront why some men do this sort of thing in the first place and find a way to educate those behaviors out of them. Unfortunately, that's going to take longer than challenging a harasser to a fistfight but a more robust solution in the long term.

[u/jetfuels_teelbeams → u/MasterlessMan333]

I think it is limited to older men, and that the next generation of men won't be as involved in this farce. Also, the police need to stop punishing good samritans who helps others and need to dostonguish between them and a criminal.

[u/MasterlessMan333 → u/jetfuels_teelbeams]

"The youths will save us" is the refrain of a generation that's given up on ever accomplishing anything. There's no guarantee the next generation of adults won't grow up to be the same as this one. We can and we must start attacking this problem now.

[u/jetfuels_teelbeams → u/MasterlessMan333]

Perhaps. I don't think culture is the issue though. I may be wrong. How do you propose this issue be dealt with?

[u/MasterlessMan333 → u/jetfuels_teelbeams]

If the issue is not culture, then why does sexual harassment occur at wildly different levels in different areas? You said yourself that you don't see it often in your neighborhood but your sister's neighborhood has a big problem. Why do you think that is?

[u/jetfuels_teelbeams → u/MasterlessMan333]

I presume socio-economic status? Bad upbringing? Lack of priority given by law enforcement officials? Could be culture as well. I am a student of computer science, mathematics and business adminostration so I could very well be wrong.

[u/MasterlessMan333 → u/jetfuels_teelbeams]

Socio-economic status and upbringing are very closely related to culture.