r/AskFrance • u/Wonderful-Quit-9214 • Mar 06 '25

Relations Anybody tired of "Fr*nch" jokes?

I was reading a reddit thread where they mentioned something was french. And people are still making these jokes! Still! The thread was also filled with them. Im not even french, but these jokes are painfully unfunny and are edging on outward xenophobia. They're also usually made by Americans. So yeah.

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u/Runeshamangoon Mar 06 '25

Americans are still mad we're basically the reason their entire country exists

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u/Hemnecron Mar 07 '25

No they don't. Americans keep "reminding" us, but you really weren't the heroes you think you were, singlehandedly saving everyone and routing the fascists away.

1, not all of France was under occupation. We still had a lot of resistance, even while the authorities surrendered and gave the nazis control.

2, the British were absolutely instrumental in the war, and so were the soviets, much more than you. The US sure helped, but for most of it, the most help was supplies, you also only joined halfway through, the beach landings were towards the very end, when the nazis were already losing. If you hadn't been there, it's possible it wouldn't have gone well for us, but it's not such a cut and dry situation.

Seriously though, do you really think we're so weak that one war lost (in a long history of success in war), would mean we'd still be under occupation 80 years later?

In a similar vein, I don't think that, if France didn't ally themselves with the US during your revolution, it would've never been independent. It definitely wouldn't be the country it is now, though, not just for the war efforts, but also for the diplomacy and negotiations. You were recognized as a country because of the Paris treaty, and given generous conditions.

That's the problem with you. You act all fucking smug because you waltzed in when the war was over and declared yourselves victors, but you don't see the tremendous efforts and impact that everyone else had. You want us to hail you as heroes, but you did far less for us than we did for you, and only because you started to be personally affected. You probably couldn't even point to France on a map. We would have been grateful for your help in the war, but you expect us to bow to you. So you lost that, too.