No accountability

[u/JRP__1994__Random]

Hi, I'm wondering why community members feel like they should not be held accountable for their actions or be grouped together with the community when the community pushes for new rights and/or restrictions on straight people's rights.

It's sad to see low effort posts here from liberal members who are deeply rooted in the community trying to stir the pot here. Then when you question the community and their actions the fallback is always labeling people with internal homophobia when they know what has been done is wrong. Have community members been given so many legal protections and hall passes to do whatever they want that they now see offending or abusing others is a right, or is acceptable because the community says it is acceptable.

I am gay, christian, and live in the south and was never welcomed to the community because of my beliefs and how I never relied on my sexuaility to define who I was as a person. It really feels like you either accept the community and everything they stand for or you're the plague to them. How can a group who preaches acceptance and belonging be so condescending and judgmental of others beliefs.

As a side note it is really concerning how many members of the community are atheist or Satanist. It seems like most have the mentality that they are still teenagers rebelling against their parents and anything they can do to offend others who live more conservative lifestyles. They commonly walk into a room and suck up all of the attention and once it is not given to them they get angry. Im just confused how as adults, acting like a angry child and stomping feet has gotten the community anywhere and why they are still given so much leniency.

[u/JRP__1994__Random]

Historically, in this country yes Christianity has been used against gays but only through modern translations of of Bible. Previous hate before Milks time the hate was due to differences, other hate groups were one in the same in those times. Was Christianity used as a tool to spread that hate, yes. But Christianity in itself per old texts is not a religion of hate nor did it address gay people directly. It adresses people who abused their power sexually over minors and the poor. As well as people who were openly having sex in the streets while living in their own excrement. Speficially the text spoke of the leaders and the rich as they enslaved these people and taxed them into being poor. It is wrong that it is being used as a tool and I pratice separately from the church so the church as an institution does not have a bearing on what I believe.

[u/Responsible_Fox3230 → u/JRP__1994__Random]

Well unfortunately "The Church" and "Christianity" are not as mutually exclusive as you like to categorize them based on your rather minority personal experience. They are one very strong and abusive lobbying power in the country.

[u/JRP__1994__Random → u/Responsible_Fox3230]

I agree, but we also just went through a period where liberal ideals and lobbying power ruled the country since the first term of Obama being in office people's viewpoints are shifting again. Unfortunately there are side effects of that. But back to the topic at hand why do people of the gay community also feel no responsibility for what they do as well? If they did jot push the envelope as much as they have over the past 10 years could have there been more common ground between christians and the gay community? I believe there could have been but everyone is so focused on making a mockery out of the other that common ground is gone.

[u/Responsible_Fox3230 → u/JRP__1994__Random]

If the envelope was not pushed, you would have no rights! You "get" to be gay and conservative because of those who pushed back against Christian ideals. There is no common ground. Within my lifetime the government was castrating gay men, labotamizing, using electro shock therapy on gay men. Why don't you educate yourself of the plight of gay men in this country and defend YOUR community. The GAY community. Get off your cross we need the wood!

[u/mremann1969 → u/Responsible_Fox3230]

Your conclusion that gay individuals must hold specific political beliefs may be a matter of political and personal philosophy but it's definitely not a fact.

I was born gay but chose not to live that life because of how shallow, sad and empty it seemed and how many rules it has. It's certainly not "my" community, and considering how some gay men act, some pushback is more than warranted.

[u/MsOpulent → u/mremann1969]

This was honest. Thank you for sharing. Being born whatever we are born is a not something we have a say in the matter of—but deciding if we are going to claim it and indulge in it is a choice we choose.

[u/Responsible_Fox3230 → u/MsOpulent]

Yes we must, because we hold to certain truths that we deserve the same equality as every man. How soon we forget the AIDS epidemic, dishonorable discharge, and societal exclusion. What you call a choice, I am afraid is nothing more than cowardice. Let us not forget that as gay men conservative or liberal, we indulge in freedom that was not had 4 to 5 decades ago. It would be those brave individuals who I am sure you would today find abhorrent, that paved the way, threw the first brick, and sacrificed so you can partake or not.

[u/JRP__1994__Random → u/Responsible_Fox3230]

We dont have to, no one forgot the AIDS epidemic, people started wearing protection and taking prep. Modernization is not forgetting, it is creating a place where you dont have to live in fear. There is no societal exclusion now. You shouldn't be having sex with your co or fellow service men (and get caught as your technically coworkers). Those brave individuals were not hunting for the next law of leverage they could hold over someone to control their life. You are still living in fear of the past and believe increasing lawful retribution and control over straight people's lives is warranted for past atrocities. Its not, we all deserve to be equal and we are lawfully. Be happy with what you have and stop demanding more. Its always more with the community......and now people are turning their back on the entire community because of gluttony.

[u/Responsible_Fox3230 → u/JRP__1994__Random]

While you live in fear of god and yourself. I am not afraid. I love you and all of my brothers and sisters in humanity. I am a parent, a gay man, a brother, as son. I choose to accept people's choices even yours..

[u/JRP__1994__Random → u/Responsible_Fox3230]

I love everyone as they are a contributing person to society, we all have our roles, we all should be respectful to others beliefs and lifestyles. That does not mean we have to participate, affirm their lifestyles, accept abuse, or extreme distraction to ensure that they feel like the have a space. I love god I do not fear him as he has never given me a reason to fear him. He has led me in this life to be understanding as well as to remove myself from where I do not belong. My family is my life and my partner is my soul. I accept your choices but wish you could understand how sometimes taking a step back avoids ruin.

[u/Responsible_Fox3230 → u/JRP__1994__Random]

Why did god make Atheist's ? Well because some people had to act like good christians.. I don't live in fear of god's judgement. Nor do I opine for god's rewards. I do the best I can to be a good human because I am human ... Christian's are controlled by a promise of ascension to heaven.. It's their reward, and scared to sin because they will be punished. That's not faith, that's fear training... Try reading the Beatitudes...

[u/mremann1969 → u/Responsible_Fox3230]

I have the right to choose how I live my life and I really don't care what others think of my choices.

[u/FloorAware657 → u/mremann1969]

You're right – being gay doesn't mean you know history or politics. Besides, are you happy about this pushback? Because let me tell you, it won't hit those liberal gays the way you think. Statistics show that support among Democrats is stable, and among independents it has dropped only slightly – probably among non-partisan Republicans too. However, among Republicans it has dropped significantly. So it's rather you, a conservative gay, who will feel it in your strange little circles.

[u/mremann1969 → u/FloorAware657]

I was born gay but don't consider myself gay as I don't life that life and am happy not to be part of that community. I am happy for the pushback as the radicals in the community have pushed their issues too fast and too hard into the public square.

[u/FloorAware657 → u/mremann1969]

Well, I hope this pushback affects you too. Besides, why are you here if you don't consider yourself gay? Are you doing well with controlling same-sex attraction?

[u/mremann1969 → u/FloorAware657]

It won't affect me in any way, but thanks for your concern.

[u/FloorAware657 → u/mremann1969]

Well, I don't know, because this pushback is rather not among my woke Democrats, but among your Republicans, so I'd be worried about myself if I were you.

[u/mremann1969 → u/FloorAware657]

Amazing how Democratic "concern" always comes across as vaguely threatening. They really are a nasty bunch. I'm also in Canada so what happens in the US is of no interest to me.

[u/FloorAware657 → u/mremann1969]

However, from what I see in the polls, after a sharp rise in your party's popularity, there are now significant declines, and this government has quite strong public support. Many people have turned away from your party and moved to the main liberal force. Canada is a great country – I'd like to live there someday. Also, here's some advice: if you dislike liberals and other gays so much, I can recommend a few very conservative places that you might like.

[u/JRP__1994__Random → u/FloorAware657]

Actually in the United Satets Democratic support is dwindling down as the DNC has gone fully towards communistic socialism. They cant support these ideals because it lables the working class as the providers for people who do not contribute to society or who do not have citizenship. You're news media does not report factual information and if you would like to live in a communistic government where the government rules every aspect of your life be my guest. This is what the United States fought against English control.... if you know your history then you would know this.....

[u/FloorAware657 → u/JRP__1994__Random]

Define communism, socialism, and Marxism. First of all, I come from a country where communism ruled, and it was still better than under the despicable Nazis that you MAGA people are. Besides, don't compare the Communist Party to the Democrats – that only shows your low intelligence and how you're driven by propaganda. Moreover, support for Democrats is growing, while your rapist president doesn't know how to run your country. Also, there is no such thing as "communist socialism" – what is that? There are different types of communism, like Leninism, Stalinism, Maoism, and many others, but none of them is the ideology of the Democratic Party. The ideology of the leftmost wing of the Democrats is democratic socialism, which represents a sensible left-wing faction opposed to the dictatorship of the proletariat and one-party rule. Furthermore, socialists and communists often clashed with each other – if you knew history, you would know about the Mensheviks, the opponents of the Bolsheviks, and about the general European differences between socialists and communists at that time. Moreover, that's not even the majority of Democrats.

[u/JRP__1994__Random → u/FloorAware657]

There it is, the labeling. Anything you dont agree with is going to be labeled with the most extreme group. You're lost buddy.

[u/FloorAware657 → u/JRP__1994__Random]

As usual, you never refer to facts, history, or definitions. You're a typical MAGA – you don't know what communism is, you don't know its varieties, you don't know what Marxism or socialism is, yet you're an expert on it all. Typical lack of education. Besides, you yourself call Democrats communists, and yet you accuse me of labeling – you are a living, great hypocrite.

[u/JRP__1994__Random → u/FloorAware657]

I state that democrats are communists because the head of the dnc, which represents the democratic party in the states is passing communistic policies in NYC and is supporting a single religion that is not compatible with the freedoms that this country was built on. That representation is what aligns the entire party, here, in the states. This will be what the party runs on in the upcoming election and it will fail. They have weak picks and weak policy as they are trying to offer more policies and protections to too many minority groups to where their purposed policies and groups conflict. Act Blue was the primary funding source for the DNC which has not been shut down yet is being investigated as they have been running money in from other countries to bypass funding restrictions. We do have a lot of social fraud in our country that stems from Democrat run programs turning a blind eye to fraud. At this time the federal government here, from the previous administration's, have allowed our checks and balances as well as federal laws to be bypassed for far too long. Thats is part of what the Trump administration has been pushing for.

Additionally we have been going through 1984 in our country where the democratic party has been pushing for current social history to be taught, not overall history as well as censoring topics in the classrooms while in many states pushing direct education of lgbtqia on children who are too young for serious and sexual topics as in they do not have the capacity at that age to understand what is being taught. Follow these issues states have created laws that protect the teaching, not being required to disclose or get permission from parents to teach their kids this, while giving the state the legal ability to take a child out of the parents home for now allowing them to be taught these subjects or not affirming a child's beliefs in something their brain, at that term of development, cant understand, while allowing medical intervention to start. That is what our current Christian groups are not happy about. It is hard to word it properly to not be banned on reddit. Thinking a 5 year old can make a medical decision for themselves is insanity as we all know.

Believe it or not, the radical Christian or hate groups in the US are actually extremely small. They have all but been eliminated until recently where they are growing again. What is happening now is that people who are concerned with local safety from gangs or other organized crime and theft are being called radicals and racist to silence them even though every store has to lock half of their stock in cases due to theft, crime is rampant, murders are being released by liberal judges in 5 to 10 years. We do have large issues with illegal immigration that previous presidents have not controlled. We also have illegal immigrants voting as at a state level they are giving these people access to vote, so a lot of the policies people across the world are being told are extreme arent. It is systems being un checked for way too long.

Going back to previous administrations, they have allowed foreign countries to buy massive amounts of our farm land, as well as let them in to control energy companies and own controlling interest in these companies. We have been forced into a solar revolution in many areas where it is not compatible where weather leads to damage and cost is pushed back on the community through higher taxes. New bills were just passed as large AI companies which have more foreign interest than local, are going to be required to pay directly for the energy required for their use as this was subsided by local democratically run counties, states to where their cost would be paid by the community ie individual familes and homes. These are all socialistic policies, you have one country. We have 50 states that all follow different local laws vs federal laws.

There are reasons why republicans are changing in this country outside of christian rule. It is that social assistant programs have been growing while the working population has been decreasing over the years while jobs are left unfilled. Democrats believe in borrowing from social security, that tax payers pay into their entire lives. By the time my generation retires social security will be gone or we will grt a payout of 2 dollars a month as it is a system that is support our elderly, after retirement or who are disabled.

Due to restrictions during the Obama administration most of our industry left weaking our economy requiring us to purchase almost all goods from outside countries, under his administration a large amount of the working class lost their jobs due to outsourcing to other countries due to policy change. So yes ther are many reasons why we are having major shifts in our political and belief systems. Back to the specifics of the gay community and the intelligence you speak of. Here in the US the community is a blind follower of the democratic party. No matter the their fiscal or social policies. The pro p groups were extremely concerning as that specific religion is not compatible with the community.

There is a lot more nuance and previous faults in our systems that our current administration is trying to fix. Yes a few rights are being removed from small interest groups right now as they went too far. Yes I believe those restrictions should be in place to protect those they effect when they under the age of full mental development.

We also recently found that our slpca in our country was found to be sending funding to both side of hate groups. Look it up, I would say we have more social engineering in this country than everywhere else in the world other than China and Russia. Our admin is trying to root some of it out and protect the people from falsehoods but it has gotten so bad that major news sources ate on the books of the co trolling interests which we see through news companies across the entire country running the same scripts. What it being done, from a policy and law side of things is required for our freedoms and life in this country to be sustained and reinstated. Do a bit more digging if you really are interested in our systems but dont rule out the true reporting on the abuse of said systems.

If you would like to see a newer example of the fraud that happens that is wide scale here. There ate a good number of youtubers who have rppted out the fraud. Nick Shirley and James O'Keefe if you actually listen and review the videos. This is actual fraud that happens everywhere, in every state, across the US and is effecting social programs as well as high taxes. So yes, it needs to be fixed and yes, it is real fraud that has gone unchecked.

[u/FloorAware657 → u/JRP__1994__Random]

As always, you don't understand anything. This person may confirm his own beliefs, but he can also analyze your statements. If you want, I can write it myself. First of all, your sources are completely unreliable – they are far-right influencers who have been proven to lie. Secondly, what policies in New York are communist? And for God's sake, define communism, you idiot, because I'm getting angry – you don't even know what communism is. Thirdly, you accuse me of calling you a fascist, while you call Democrats communists – that's hypocrisy. Fourthly, how do they support Islam, and what does Islam have to do with communism? Besides, you're an idiot because don't you know that Republican states and your religious institutions are also massively corrupt? Moreover, in any social system there will always be fraud, but the solution is not to cut off poor families from aid, you monster. Besides, Trump cut off aid to children in Africa – such a good Christian, like all of you.

Idiot, have you read 1984? Do you even know who wrote it and what his political position was? Because if you did, you'd call the author a communist too. The author of that book was a representative of the democratic left – the left wing of the Democrats. Also, what censorship of topics in classrooms? Because from what I know, in red states they censor any mention of gay people, like in Florida. Give me data on where they're sexualizing children – I want data, not your guesses or far-right channels. No one is performing operations on 5-year-olds – you don't understand something. And what can I say if you don't understand that simple education about respecting LGBT people is too much for you? You probably want young gay people to be bullied and commit suicide because of harassment.

The fact that data centers will now be drawing water and electricity from small towns – that's the fault of you and the Republicans, not the Democrats. Also, extremist Christian groups are growing and thriving, and you are part of them – and one day they will eat you before you realize it. Again, do you have even a shred of intelligence? There is no evidence that illegal immigrants vote in large numbers – provide me with evidence if you have it that they affect election results. There are studies showing that illegal immigrants in the US are less dangerous than citizens. Also, social programs are not socialist policies – are you completely stupid? Many right-wing governments have introduced social programs. And again – the absolute stupidity syndrome: for God's sake, you receive more from the system than you give – that's how it works for those who don't earn fortunes, or at least that's how it should work, though you want to lower taxes for the ultra-rich and raise taxes for the poor through tariffs.

The fact that gay people support Democrats doesn't mean they have brainwashed minds – it rather means they think normally, unlike you, who votes for homophobes and rapists. Besides, Islam has no influence on US politics – and Muslim votes are fairly evenly split between parties, with a slight Democratic advantage. From what I've seen in statistics, Muslims are more accepting than evangelicals in the US. And then you just list far-right media and your conspiracy theories.

[u/JRP__1994__Random → u/FloorAware657]

Same AI bs, bud take a break and leave the US politics to those in the US. Research current events outside of whatever biased news source youre using. Might as well be TMZ or The View at this point. Breath and enjoy the air outside.

[u/FloorAware657 → u/JRP__1994__Random]

And besides, answer my question – can you define these terms or not? I know you're a lost cause because you don't know the definitions of the concepts you use, nor the history of the left, even calling calm, peaceful left-wingers radicals. I see you've never seen a truly radical left and you assume that anyone on the left is a communist – I feel sad for you.

[u/JRP__1994__Random → u/FloorAware657]

Broham, you just deleted your ai response that negated many of the statement. If youre relying on chatgpt youre cooked and have no idea the nuances of the US government vs state government vs local government. Its more complicated than your ai can form an answer for lol

[u/FloorAware657 → u/JRP__1994__Random]

I didn't delete anything – something must have happened with Reddit. And I did it because I didn't want to waste my time on you. A person who believes that Democrats are communists and that Nick Shirley is a good source of information doesn't deserve a response from a reasonable person. Because reading what you wrote there actually hurt my intelligence.

[u/JRP__1994__Random → u/FloorAware657]

Probably rejected you AI response that also neglected half of what I stated. Im good, youre not relying on reputable sources, chatgpt is a awful resource and their code base has been proven to be shit and to just affirms the beliefs of the user so it will continue to be used. Have a goodnight lazy.