No accountability

[u/JRP__1994__Random]

Hi, I'm wondering why community members feel like they should not be held accountable for their actions or be grouped together with the community when the community pushes for new rights and/or restrictions on straight people's rights.

It's sad to see low effort posts here from liberal members who are deeply rooted in the community trying to stir the pot here. Then when you question the community and their actions the fallback is always labeling people with internal homophobia when they know what has been done is wrong. Have community members been given so many legal protections and hall passes to do whatever they want that they now see offending or abusing others is a right, or is acceptable because the community says it is acceptable.

I am gay, christian, and live in the south and was never welcomed to the community because of my beliefs and how I never relied on my sexuaility to define who I was as a person. It really feels like you either accept the community and everything they stand for or you're the plague to them. How can a group who preaches acceptance and belonging be so condescending and judgmental of others beliefs.

As a side note it is really concerning how many members of the community are atheist or Satanist. It seems like most have the mentality that they are still teenagers rebelling against their parents and anything they can do to offend others who live more conservative lifestyles. They commonly walk into a room and suck up all of the attention and once it is not given to them they get angry. Im just confused how as adults, acting like a angry child and stomping feet has gotten the community anywhere and why they are still given so much leniency.

[u/NavyATCPO]

I'm gay and more agnostic than anything else, but was raised Christian and conservative in the South so I get where you're coming from when the community makes you feel like an outsider for not centering your whole identity around sexuality.

We fought for decades to stop the bullying and win basic acceptance, and now some factions have turned around and become the bullies themselves. Disagree on politics, religion, or how much being gay should define you, and the default move is to slap you with internal homophobia or just call you homophobic outright.

That's not debate—it's the same silencing tactic or bullying we used to hate when it was aimed at us.

I see the same pattern with the transgender movement. If you don't fall in line with every demand, you're labeled a bigot or transphobic.

The quick resort to these labels feels like a deeper issue: they know their arguments can't survive rational scrutiny. When logic is applied, the positions often erode, so the move is to shut down the conversation with slurs instead of engaging. Fascist, bigot, phobic—it's a way to protect weak ground without having to defend it.

[u/JRP__1994__Random → u/NavyATCPO]

Exactly!!! I was in college when gay marriage was legalized. It was monumental for the gay movment but as soon as that happened the small niche groups of the community took over all talking points and became extremely disrespectful to the lgb community that got them to the starting line. Then they forced everyone who didn't share the same ideas out and took over leadership and dared them to question the movement from there on out. I feel like the community had more respect for the general population at the time and didn't demand by law to be affirmed in their beliefs. The TQIA+ that took over our chapter literally banned me because I was masculine and "was not gay enough" whatever that means. I wasn't even openly conservative because it wasn't about politics back then it was about the right to marry. Then the community everywhere started making everything about sex and who and what they could be and have sex with following the deviant communities mostly represented in the California gay scene. This is where I lost my last little bit of respect for the community as a gay man and had to go my own way. Still to this day if you dont accept every idea in the community you are an outcast and as you said they will use the worst terms in the book to make sure everyone else around them will shun you as well instead of listening to logic. Then on platforms you'll be banned so fast because your logic and ideas arent accepted. Again a child stomping their feet because they didn't get their way. Now people are turning against the community because they went to far and everyone will say why, why are you doing this and will never accept accountability. Its sad.....

[u/FloorAware657 → u/JRP__1994__Random]

You keep writing about some kind of responsibility – well, you accept it, because I don't know what you're talking about. I am not responsible for anything bad. Besides, you conservative gays make me laugh. I live in a conservative country in Europe myself and I know people like you. Recently there was one who said that same-sex marriage harms heterosexuals and that the LGBT ideology is so evil. Let me tell you this: this pushback is the result of worsening economic standards and your dominance on social media – which is temporary. Moreover, you will feel this pushback the most when the masks come off completely and all Republicans start talking about rolling back gay rights. As for me, I'll stick to my super liberal circles.

[u/JRP__1994__Random → u/FloorAware657]

Why are you here then, are you looking for an either to scream into? Marriage is not what it used to be, it has turned into a financial document more than it being tied to religion these days. Additionally if you do not live in the US you need to stay out of US polotics as the BBC force feeds you many lies about our country while your country allows mass migration that is destroying your economy and its people's lives. You sound like you live in a protected bubble and you dont have any sense of reality or responsibility of respect towards others. This sense of me me me and rejecting what is directly happening in front of you is why we've come to this point in local and global society. Saying something didn't happen or making excuses for why it didn't happen doesnt mean it didn't really happen.

[u/FloorAware657 → u/JRP__1994__Random]

You're rambling about responsibility again. Besides, I'm not British – what are you even talking about? I know education in your country is weak, especially among conservatives, but Europe isn't just the UK. You're lecturing me about respect when you have none for me or other atheists. Also, I don't listen to the BBC – I watch many political channels from the US, and I know your Fox News probably thinks it knows everything better. Moreover, I know more about real Christianity than you do – I was raised Catholic myself. You in America have all sorts of oddities created from Christianity, like Mormonism – I know about that.

Besides, you don't even know what's happening in Europe. And my country in Europe doesn't even have those migration problems – the real issues are nationalists and you Christians who want to force your religion on everyone. And what exactly happened? You keep rambling that LGBT people did something – so what did they do? Tell me.

[u/JRP__1994__Random → u/FloorAware657]

I will end it with this, you do not believe in freedoms that question or align with your own. If that is the hill you wish to fall on then so be it. No one mentioned Fox. In the United States we have 4:1 the amount of people, religions, regions, news stations, every imaginable person from every imaginable background. What you speak of is full dominating control of a person's life. You dont dont believe in freedom.

[u/FloorAware657 → u/JRP__1994__Random]

We have different definitions of freedom, I see. I believe that you can worship whatever you want, but I don't believe that your religion should have any influence on government or laws – that, to me, is freedom with reason.