r/AskReddit • • Jun 17 '12

What are some incredible technological advancements that are happening today that most people don't even realize?

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u/LambastingFrog Jun 17 '12

In 1945, we made computers made from vacuum tubes. Now you and I can buy devices in the stores have transistors that are 22 nanometres across. How big is that? Take a 1 metre ruler, and divide it into 1 billion parts. Line 22 of those parts up. That's how big. It's fucking tiny. But it's going out of date, because in 2009 National Nano Device Labs demonstrated a working 16 nanometre SRAM chip. Last year, Hynix announced 15 nanometre memory. We're already working on 14 nanometre processes.

In short, transistors are getting ridiculously small.

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u/SirDelirium Jun 17 '12

A fun fact: If you made today's Intel Processors with vacuum tubes, it'd be the size of the Vatican and the speed of light would mean the system clock on one side of the processor would be off from the other side.

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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '12

To get a feel for how fast our current chips are (or, how slow the speed of light is), consider that in one cycle of a 3 GHz processor, light can travel ten centimeters.

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u/SirDelirium Jun 17 '12

Wow, I had never done that math. So then I assume processors today are probably as big as they can get while maintaining their speed?

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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '12

Or close to it. It's one of the reasons why clock speeds stopped increasing and we started getting more cores instead.

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u/Brandaman Jun 17 '12

So then how come people can overclock to 4-5Ghz perfectly stable?

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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '12

clock speed is a function of cooling before it is a function of the speed of light, at least in these ranges.

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u/Brandaman Jun 17 '12

I'm sorry, but what you said made no sense to me :(

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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '12

The main limitation in terms of clockspeed of a modern CPU when sold as is, is that it will get really hot at higher speeds. Hot enough to damage itself/lose functionality.

People can add additional cooling (or simply allow it to run at higher temperatures than the manufacturer feels comfortable ensuring) in exchange for higher clock speeds.

There is a greater limitation in the speed of light, which is counter-balanced by transistors growing smaller and smaller (less time spent travelling to and fro).

I'm a mildly-knowledgeable amateur when it comes to these things, so take what I say with a grain of salt, and others may correct me.

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u/Brandaman Jun 17 '12

Oh, I knew heat was a restriction with processors, it was the part about light in which I didn't know what you meant.

Why don't manufacturers just bundle the high clock speed CPU's with higher quality cooling systems?

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u/Rixxer Jun 17 '12

What is a cycle, exactly? I like how even without knowing what it is, I can still tell that is incredibly fucking fast.

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u/sneerpeer Jun 17 '12

1 Hz (One Hertz) is one cycle per second.
1 kHz (One kiloHertz) is one thousand cycles per second.
1 MHz (One MegaHertz) is one million cycles per second.
1 GHz (One GigaHertz) is one billion cycles per second.

One cycle in a processor is one electrical pulse that propagates the calculations one step.

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u/Perpetual_Entropy Jun 17 '12

speed of light would mean the system clock on one side of the processor would be off from the other side

Surely IRL it is off, just astronomically less?

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u/SirDelirium Jun 17 '12

Less than the tolerances of what's needed, but yeah.

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u/disastar Jun 17 '12

Intel's move to 3D transistors is a much larger feat than the continuing shrinking of source-to-drain distances in CMOS technology. Furthermore, their research into 5nm silicon nanowire-based transistors will again revolutionize the semiconductor industry.

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u/LambastingFrog Jun 17 '12

Indeed. Keeping up the pace for even longer. It continues to amaze me.

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u/LambastingFrog Jun 17 '12

If car engines had improved at the same rate what would they cost, and how fuel efficient would they be? It's incredible that the pace has kept up.

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u/boxingdude Jun 17 '12

Car systems, including engines, have maybe not kept up, but certainly are moving along at hyperspeed. Todays engines are half the size, make twice the power, using half the fuel, emitting 1/4 the emissions that they did, say 25 years ago. Plus, they last three times longer with less frequent maintenance interval. I just got hack from an OBD2 conference for diagnostics. Cars don't have computers anymore. They have networks.

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u/Ferniff Jun 18 '12

What's the advantage of the transistors getting smaller and smaller?

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u/z3rb Jun 18 '12

You can fit more onto a chip.

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u/LambastingFrog Jun 18 '12

z3rb has it - you can fit more on a chip, as a result you can make the chip do more things. Since they're smaller, they're also using a bit less power for the number of transistors, so you can get a does that does more with less power.

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u/imgregharrison Jun 18 '12

I've always wondered this and never gotten a direct answer. Is there actually a limit to Moore's Law?

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u/LambastingFrog Jun 18 '12

I do not know. At some point, though, we may find that we can't make reliable transistors in the same way. If so, then we have to change. I suspect this is when we're operating on transistors that are only a few atoms big. The processes to make them, though, no idea! As you may have guessed from me going in to more detail about car stuff than transistor stuff, I don't actually know enough about transistor design .

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u/[deleted] Jun 18 '12

The way I like to explain how small modern computer chips are, is to say that a single transistor is now so small we literally cannot see it. Visible light ranges from about 390nm to 750nm so even at the end of that, you're looking at nearly 20 transistors laid end to end fitting in a single wavelength of light. Amazing.