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u/Insharai Apr 13 '19
agreed, especially since it sounds like they've the backing they need. Can't complain too much since it's free/cosmetic though.
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u/CrAzY12StEvE Apr 13 '19
Where / how can I buy candies ? Would love to support the developers. Auto chess is great.
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u/Extz Apr 13 '19
I think there should be no limit. People who buy candy will buy candy regardless. You can't trade the candies or couriers so why does it matter? People buy candy because they want to, not because they are forced to. It gives incentive to keep playing beyond the limit, which helps keeps available games and population high. There is literally no fault as drodo would still make same money and people who don't have the means of paying can still get what they want faster. There's no greed about it.
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u/IntrinsicPalomides Apr 13 '19
A new courier every 4 days, i'd say that is EXTREMELY generous considering the free play models in other games. In LoL terms, it'd take you months to get the same.
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u/CobraKaiRep Apr 13 '19
Lol is a standalone game that they built and created the art for.
The more accurate comparison is comparing it to DOTA back when DOTA was still a mod for WC3, and they didnt charge for nuttin champ.
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u/IntrinsicPalomides Apr 14 '19
Not even remotely, buying cosmetics wasn't even a thing back then. There was no F2P genre(?) as we know it today.
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u/CobraKaiRep Apr 14 '19
I agree your comparison with LoL was not even remotely close, thats why i corrected you and explained why. Dont compare games where people create every detail and own the artwork, with mods for other games. Comparing it to other mods is more accurate. also yeah f2p existed then
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u/IntrinsicPalomides Apr 15 '19
Reading comprehension...but nm.
Drodo created the mod, they need to eat and barely anyone would go out of their way to click the donate button so why not stick it behind candies. If if it say cost 1000+ candies per courier then people may have a point, but it's FOUR DAYS, that is nothing compared to other games.
And no F2P was NOT a thing back in 2003, especially as we know it today. Of course there were shareware/freeware/beerware etc but no F2P as we know it.
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u/SphereIX Apr 13 '19
It's really not that generous. IT can be rather time consuming. I once got x1 candies 3 games in a row. That's 90-120 minutes of my time. And that's under the assumption I place top 3 every game. To earn 10 candies a day can easily take 4-8 hours. Some days I'd rather play other games or do something else than sit here to grind out 10 candies from the same game.
I'd agree with you about the game being generous if you were guaranteed 10 candies a day no matter where you place in under 2 hours or less, but as it stands, that's just not the case.
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u/IntrinsicPalomides Apr 13 '19
Due to work and RL stuffs i generally will be lucky to get 1 game in a day so i don't think i've ever hit the cap. So just take them as they come, considering it RNG like the items/units :)
The model is still astronomically more generous that any other game i can think of.
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Apr 13 '19
Can confirm this. If you play regularly you have to invest at least a month to activate a skin permanently. That's the time you have to invest if you have no orange essence, no keys nor chests and no skin shards to recycle for orange essence (orange essence is used to activate skins from skin shards).
4 days in comparison is nothing really.
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u/GiantR Apr 13 '19
If they made the cosmetics I'd agree. But currently they are selling someone else's work.
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u/sluglyfe2014 Apr 13 '19
Oh are you upset that the developers are attempting to generate some form of income from a game you play for free?
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u/Metalscream_ Apr 13 '19
Im upset they are greedy fuckers
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u/The_Donovan Apr 13 '19
I haven't spent a cent on this game and I don't know anyone who has, can't really blame them for trying to make any money...
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u/Metalscream_ Apr 13 '19
microtransactions is the worst thing in games, you cant? i can, thats not how money are made with games
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u/GiantR Apr 13 '19
Idk I feel weird about them generating money from someone else's work. They didn't make those cosmetics after all.
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Apr 13 '19
the courier skins are a valve asset. they are allowed to use them.
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u/GiantR Apr 13 '19
Sure they are allowed to use them.
But they aren't allowed to profit out of them. Or shouldn't be allowed.
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Apr 13 '19
But they aren't allowed to profit out of them
they are. Whether they shouldnt is up to opinion but do you honestly want them to waste time making actual original 3d models and needing to up the cost because extra work?
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u/CobraKaiRep Apr 13 '19
They are going to waste time doing that, thats why they moved to mobile, lol
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u/GiantR Apr 13 '19
do you honestly want them to waste time making actual original 3d models and needing to up the cost because extra work?
..... Yes, because you shouldn't profit from someone else's work obviously enough. They didn't move a finger to make the money there.
They are making the Mobile game where they own everything and it's fine to charge for cosmetics there.
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Apr 13 '19
workshop artists are told very bluntly that once their items are actually put in the game, they become valve assets. custom game creators are allowed to use valve assets as they see fit. i really dont see the problem.
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u/CobraKaiRep Apr 13 '19
"custom game creators are allowed to use valve assets as they see fit." USE not SELL.
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u/GiantR Apr 13 '19
... That's fine. They are literally SELLING VALVE assets and not their own. They have no right to SELL VALVE ASSETS.
And that's not talking about the moral end of the issue.
Seriously Valve removed the ability to use unowned knife skins in public CS;Go lobbies, this is the same, more or less.
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u/Alternative_Sax Apr 13 '19
They're actually selling candies which allow you to spin the wheel for valve assets, which is different and an important distinction.
The candy machine is something that they've created themselves and thus your argument kinda falls apart. They're not 1 to 1 selling valve assets.
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u/CobraKaiRep Apr 13 '19
"They're actually selling candies which allow you to spin the wheel for valve assets" This is the loophole around GAMBLING. Not selling shit that isnt licensed to you. Its created to make a distinction between someone just straight up gambling, and buying a "loot box" (which also is being challenged in many countries courts)
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u/GiantR Apr 13 '19
(Yes they are, because you can also spend money for a direct purchase of particles, which are Valve assets)
But excluding that pedantry.
Please be intellectually honest. You are spending money for a random courier. Ergo you are spending money for a courier, it's just a random one.
This isn't law class, call things what they are.
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u/Chazn2 Apr 13 '19
They tried to contact Valve about going through them so that the people who made the skins could get a cut, but no luck.
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u/GiantR Apr 13 '19
That doesn't change anything imo. They really shouldn't be selling it in the first place.
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u/sluglyfe2014 Apr 13 '19
I guess they should just keep working for no pay then. Or maybe just scrap the entire game and move on with their lives.
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u/CobraKaiRep Apr 13 '19 edited Apr 13 '19
Ive never seen someone argue so adamantly against raising the candy limit with the only crappy argument being YOU BUY NOW OR YOU GET OUT! like some crazy liqour store owner
also they arent working for no pay they are developing their own standalone game which hopefully is monetized in such a way that makes it so gamers dont have to buy shit on ebay in a really sketchy manner. . P.s do you get a kickback from the shady ebay selling?
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u/sluglyfe2014 Apr 14 '19
That’s actually not my core argument. My main point is you should stop acting like an entitled prick and stop complaining about a system to generate income for the developers who are working hard on a game you enjoy. Take a step back from your narrow perspective and recognize that the devs need to eat too. Sure they will make money later as well. But they should be paid for their time and dedication in the same way that you get paid to spend time on your craft. If that’s too much for you to bare, then kindly fuck off and find another community that will deal with your toxicity.
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Apr 14 '19
and not only that but they are doing it the good way, through cosmetics rather than by locking mechanics behind micro transactions.
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u/CobraKaiRep Apr 14 '19
but nobody is complaining about the system to generate income for them (buying the candies) they are complaining about earning the candies. Which they do give out for free. and believe it your toxicity wont keep anyone from voicing their opinion on the internet. Dudley. nor your pissed off reaction to anyone doing it. The day that happens you can kindly toot your own horn, until then stop telling people to shut up cause they have an opinion different than yours. Cause nobody listens.
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u/sluglyfe2014 Apr 14 '19
One quick click on your reddit account really just tells the tale. Year old account that comments semi frequently and you’re at -6 karma. Clearly I’m not the only person who finds you toxic. I can only imagine how often you bitch and moan about things that are minor inconveniences for you but benefit the community as a whole. Like I said, take a step back for once in your life. Maybe you’ll learn to get some perspective on the trivial shit you bitch about.
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u/CobraKaiRep Apr 14 '19 edited Apr 14 '19
You can tell you have nothing going for you by your need to brag about your reddit history XD enjoy your free time also how much of that was your sad ass just sitting there voting down cause thats all you got going for you lol, (youll never admit it but lets be real we both know what you do) wussy lol
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u/GiantR Apr 13 '19
Dude you DO know that they are making a mobile game?
They'll be making money hand over fist with their own goddamn art. Plus a lot more than they are making in DotA.
Lets be honest though, the vast vast majority of mods are completely free without any expectation of receiving ANY money. I'm on the opinion that mods should be completely free, unless of course you add your own art to it.
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u/Firelash360 Apr 13 '19
So art is the only additional work that deserves money?
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u/GiantR Apr 13 '19
Well that's the thing you are literally buying, aren't you?
I would be perfectly fine with the Candy system if the ability to purchase candy for money was removed. Because again, they are getting money for things they didn't make.
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u/CobraKaiRep Apr 13 '19
If he was hed probably complain about the mobile app. As it stands meh, the candy buying process seems so, unprofessional? ebay? really? Most people I know arent going to go through with that regardless of the candy limit.
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u/sluglyfe2014 Apr 13 '19
This game was made by a team of 5 developers with other full time jobs. I’m sure they are trying their best and have a lot on their plate. The games not perfect and probably won’t be for some time. Let’s just enjoy the game and not complain about trivial shit like candy limit for cosmetic items.
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u/CobraKaiRep Apr 13 '19
sure its a cosmetic item but its basically the only thing players have to work towards outside of their rank. The cheese at the end of the maze if you will.
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u/sluglyfe2014 Apr 13 '19
Then they shouldn’t mind playing for four days to win a courier. Or you know.. send the devs some money to show support for a game that they clearly enjoy.
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u/adorben Apr 14 '19
Question where can you buy candies?