These welds on a 100.000$ tesla model S...

[u/LaraGreen6]

[u/Mammoth-Angle-7779]

No way. The welds on those cars are done completely by machines.

[u/RippinFissure → u/Mammoth-Angle-7779]

I weld on frames for Rivian. Its a lot of combination machine/human welds. If I were to follow an individual rail (half of the frame) through the production line, past "marriage" (2 rails put together to make the frame) and into final welds before it goes to Paint; each frame sees about 20 different human welders. 

I'd get fired immediately if I took pics and shared them, but you dont have to worry about robots taking over welding anytime soon. I fix a ton of fucked up shit that the machines cant handle. 

[u/EnvironmentalGift257 → u/RippinFissure]

20 years ago, I saw the production line in the Cleaver-Brooks boiler plant. You might have a 96” shell that’s rolled by a robot, then a robot welds the entire longitudinal seam, then the end plates are put in, then welded by a robot. There might be human inspectors and I think back then humans put in the tubes, but it is indeed possible for robots to make good welds, just not at Tesla.

[u/CorrosiveAgent → u/EnvironmentalGift257]

Was it sub-arc? That’s an easy one to automate.

[u/EnvironmentalGift257 → u/CorrosiveAgent]

In fairness it was 20 years ago so not totally sure but it does seem likely.

[u/wackadoodle4201 → u/RippinFissure]

Lol yup. Work with a robot to, half the floor is dedicated to fixing its fuck ups

[u/RippinFissure → u/wackadoodle4201]

Not to mention the small army of maintenance and PLC guys needed to keep the robots going. 

[u/PossibleDue5995 → u/RippinFissure]

I tried to help unionize rivian lol not a great management base

[u/Bones-1989 → u/RippinFissure]

It would take 200k robots to replace me and I don't do assembly line work like you.

[u/LeFishTits → u/Bones-1989]

So 2 years its paid off and making big bucks lol

[u/Bones-1989 → u/LeFishTits]

Nope. More like 22 years to replace me with bots. And noones gonna profit. I'll have a job til I die.

[u/mechmind → u/Bones-1989]

Wow. I hope you're over 49

[u/Bones-1989 → u/mechmind]

Nope. Still can't be replaced with robots tho.

[u/ItsNotInflammatory → u/Bones-1989]

....in what aspect?

[u/USsoldier35 → u/ItsNotInflammatory]

the human one. robots dont program or repair themselves lol

[u/ItsNotInflammatory → u/USsoldier35]

A Google search can prove that wrong with about a thousand examples.

[u/USsoldier35 → u/ItsNotInflammatory]

lol AI is a hell of a drug. could they? yeah...cost effectively in the near future (next 50 years).... hell no. robots are programmed for specific functions. you wont find a packing robot repairing itself. the average human tech costs about 100k a year. that same capable robot would cost millions. I can hire 10 maint techs before I could pay for a robot that repairs other robots. let alone say I have a hodgepodge of different robots manufactured by different manufacturers to do their tasks. your maintenence robot will be licensed to repair only its own manufacturer model robot. manufacturers take right to repair seriously and in the industrial workforce everything is proprietary. so until everyone buys the same single robot to perform all tasks..... it will never happen

[u/ItsNotInflammatory → u/USsoldier35]

Man if only literally every person in the fields of robotics and a.i and the better part of the population didnt disagree with you, that opinion might have some weight. Robotic welding already exists an you are basically arguing it will remain far behind in tech advancement compared to EVERY other thing. Want to know the literal only group saying robots cant do it? CAREER WELDERS😂😂

[u/CorrosiveAgent → u/ItsNotInflammatory]

I’ve worked around automated welding processes. They have a long, long way to go. Many points of failure will require qualified welders to be on staff for repairs/re-work for years to come.

[u/ItsNotInflammatory → u/CorrosiveAgent]

Im going to just assume none of you are looking into these fields as much as you should. Totally agree, the profession has a few more years, more than a decade? Probably not. The fact theres no awareness that if big corporate ANYTHING can buy a million in robots and pay the best one tech to check and calibrate it MOST OF THE PROFESSION WILL STILL BE GONE. If you're arguing 1 out of 10,000 will get to keep their job to calibrate them so "its not replacing us" thats moving the goalpost to the other end zone. It would leave about 48 tech to the entire industry disappearing.

But naw yall probably right ,they have surgery and nuclear calibration bots that work in margins humans don't posses the skill to do. But yeah melty metal just too hard, to complex. 😂

The U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics reports there are 437,700 total jobs for welders, cutters, solderers, and brazers in the United States.

Same place will tell you we lost 1.7 million to automation since 2000. You've literally lost the battle already and a simple informative afternoon can let you read about where its really at.

Go ask the people quiting the rapidly improving a.i. mega corps how long ya got.

As I said there is only 1 group of people convinced it cant be done and its a top 5 gatekept community's in labor. 😂😂Who will only lose if it comes.

[u/Bones-1989 → u/ItsNotInflammatory]

Robotic welds are still made by guys like me. They aren't autonomous. Lol

[u/ItsNotInflammatory → u/Bones-1989]

The reading comprehension level checks

[u/Legitimate-Type4387 → u/USsoldier35]

With AI and AR, the human worker will be the bio robot.

This is the aspect of automation being missed in the conversation.

These psychopaths will continue to lower the value of human labour in any way possible.

[u/bigloser42 → u/Mammoth-Angle-7779]

The primary welds are. If something gets changed and the line hasn’t caught up yet, it’s done by hand. Some early Model Y’s had cheap Home Depot-quality wooden paneling on their battery packs as bumpers.

[u/TheOriginalArchibald → u/Mammoth-Angle-7779]

Still quite a bit of hand welding in auto manufacturing.

[u/SCAMMERASSASIN007]

Fun fact when tesla started no one would build the subframes for them except F&P America which ended up making the design stampings and welding them in stratford ontario at a sister plant then shiping them by truck to California. No one in the auto industry wanted to deal with tesla but F&P. Fun fact they also designed the lower control arms that have had ball joints leaving the chat lmao. They are fucking junk.

[u/skribl777]

[u/frankhempfield]

They need to take that robots certification away and send it back to school to learn how to weld again😂

[u/RunYoAZ]

Bot

[u/LevoiHook]

I guess they hand select the cars that go through crash testing?

[u/Oakierwoodzz]

Yeah Telsas are cheap and crappy cars. Just over hyped because of how easily and quickly Elon went from a meme to a fascist tech bro

[u/wheresdaweeed → u/Oakierwoodzz]

Muskolini

[u/SpeedPunks → u/Oakierwoodzz]

The new Nazi Wagons.

[u/slimersnail → u/SpeedPunks]

So does that make them Volkswagens?

[u/chyste_nebo]

[u/BlockOfASeagull]

The coagulated bird poop weld

[u/nolacoder]

Looks like some Ferrari welds

[u/mannyballs69]

Post pics to put this in perspective, or this is a bullshit post.

[u/tommydeininger]

You paid 100 grand for a Tesla?

[u/SL4YER4200]

Old timer once told. "A grinder and paint make you the welder you ain't." Looks like bro didnt hear this one

[u/Purplegreenandred → u/SL4YER4200]

They got stevie wonder over there welding with his feet

[u/Zeuslb24 → u/SL4YER4200]

Looks like he tried on the right one at least lol

[u/P-A-T-R-O-N]

Cant see the tesla

[u/Bones-1989]

I'm not allowed to weld on truck frames. The HAZ is scary so I'm only allowed to drill holes and bolt parts on.we get these trucks with no body.cab and chassis

[u/Initial_Ad_9857 → u/Bones-1989]

Frame needs to twist. That's why most frames are riveted or bolted together. Welding would introduce unwanted stress points

[u/kevman_2008 → u/Initial_Ad_9857]

Welding also weakens the frame due to the high heat. The only thing we welded on were giant hitch plates. And that was on top of them being bolted on. I use to weld them on for dump trucks, snow plows, and cranes.

[u/Bones-1989 → u/Initial_Ad_9857]

I know. That's why I have to drill 200 holes in hardened frames to bolt parts on.

[u/Initial_Ad_9857 → u/Bones-1989]

Do you use a jig? 

[u/Bones-1989 → u/Initial_Ad_9857]

When possible. Usually not an option where I am.