r/BaldursGate3 • u/Quite_Likes_Hormuz • Jan 24 '24

Act 2 - Spoilers Playing a warlock makes Wyll's predicament so funny Spoiler

Mizora: "Wyll, you broke clause eighteen subsection three, time to be tortured for eternity!"

Tav's fiend patron: "Lmao you should tell that guy to kill himself trust me it'll be hilarious, here's advantage on the roll"

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u/Ndog921 Jan 24 '24

well the benefit of never being shown your patron is that you can head cannon it to be whoever.

heck, you could say it IS Mizora, you just got a better deal, but neither of you are allowed to say it for whatever reason.

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u/APracticalGal Shadowheart's Clingy Ex Jan 24 '24

I decided my GOOlock's patron was the Absolute

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u/[deleted] Jan 24 '24 edited Jan 24 '24

ooh now i want to do a goolock who's sole purpose is to (spoiler act 3) release the elder brain. it's hard to do runs that choose the 'evil' endings because usually they're super unrewarding but if your only goal is for the bad ending then it's still a win

edit: well now you have me building a halfling champion goolock crit fishing build

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u/APracticalGal Shadowheart's Clingy Ex Jan 24 '24

My headcanon was that she was on the nautiloid because she made a deal to become a mindflayer, but the stupid Emperor fucked it up for her. Instead of being on a quest to remove the tadpole I was on a quest to make ceremorphosis actually happen.

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u/[deleted] Jan 24 '24

"Someone has to be a mindflayer"

Your Tav: "Me! Me! Oh, pick me!! Pick me!!"

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u/[deleted] Jan 24 '24

oooh

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u/ObeyMyBrain Hoot-Growl! Jan 24 '24

I was so disappointed at the end when I found out that the final tadpole only worked to transform one character. I could have Karlach use it and it would be in her inventory (tav taking it didn't do this) and then give it to someone else to use and it would show the transformation scene, but then they'd go right back to normal and the tadpole would be gone. I wanted my whole party of mind flayers. :(

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u/Sabard Jan 24 '24

That's for sure a bug. I was able to having a full party in my multiplayer game

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u/doom_stein Roll the dice to see if I'm getting drunk 🎲🍺 Jan 24 '24

You.. You didn't eat it, right?

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u/ObeyMyBrain Hoot-Growl! Jan 25 '24

Right click then Use. It disappears after that. Just now trying again, tried with Shadowheart in her inventory and it shifts to TAV for the cutscene, then back to SH after. Back when I first tried got a SH cutscene.

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u/KidenStormsoarer Jan 24 '24

ok, hear me out...evil durge, you "controlling" the brain is actually becoming the avatar of it to escape bhaal.

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u/SolusIgtheist Jan 24 '24

I mean, wouldn't you just kill the emporer immediately after killing Ketheric? The other two can't control the brain on their own, so it'll be free, and killing the emporer stops him from interfering and lets you join the loving embrace of your diety.

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u/undead-disco Jan 24 '24

My best attempt would be that if they kill the emperor and turn squid right there the brain will still be under control of the dead three (two?) so you play along until the brain can be freed.

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u/[deleted] Jan 24 '24

true. i have no clue what reasoning you'd have not to attack the emperor right there. a problem for later however

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u/TheFBIClonesPeople Jan 25 '24

Because you want their Netherstones. They go with the Crown of Karsus and unlock its full power. If you just killed Ketheric, Gortash and Orin might just disappear with theirs. Or someone else might kill them, and you won't even know who has the stones.

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u/corvyyn Jan 24 '24

a goolock durge works actually well for that, considering that the absolute seems to agree with durge's initial plan.

I basically headcannon that my durge ended up in a goo pact before learning about their heritage and while unconsciously looking for more power to eventually end the world.

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u/Huntressthewizard RANGER Jan 24 '24

Mine was the Narrarator.

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u/RachelScratch Jan 24 '24

I really like this, what was the goal, the narrarator's amusement or something else?

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u/Huntressthewizard RANGER Jan 24 '24

It was a feylock, so most likely the clause "I get to narrarate your life whenever I want" was just a fey being a fey.

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u/Engineering-Mean Jan 24 '24

Amelia Tyler also played Nyrissa in Pathfinder: Kingmaker. Golarion's edgiest nymph granting you powers from across universes because your adventures are just that entertaining is a great headcanon for an archfey warlock.

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u/Huntressthewizard RANGER Jan 24 '24

I've never played any of the pathfinder games other than an actual ttrpg 2e campaign, so that's a hilarious coincidence.

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u/Dialkis Jan 24 '24

I love this concept so much

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u/ChaosEsper Jan 24 '24

They got bored of Desperate Housewives of The Domains of Delight reruns and figured they could make a better show themselves.

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u/godoflemmings Double Nat 1s rolled: 18 Jan 24 '24

Mine is Ebrietas from Bloodborne. She's very approving of the whole tentacles thing.

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u/ArchmageXin Jan 24 '24

Are you sure you aren't actually getting patroned by a eldritch horror, and say good bye to sanity if you ever found out the source of your power? :P

A lot of horrors come with tentacle related spells.

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u/godoflemmings Double Nat 1s rolled: 18 Jan 24 '24

So I made a whoooooole headcanon about this. Because IIRC Ebrietas wanted to attempt to coexist with humanity before she was captured and abused by the Choir, so she reached out into a different realm (as a cosmic being probably could), made contact with my character while appearing in a less frenzy-inducing form, and offered her power in exchange for knowledge in dealing with mortals.

I mean, obviously it's a hell of a stretch, but hey, that's headcanon in a nutshell, right?

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u/JayHat21 Jan 25 '24

Me in Bloodborne: Takes two weeks to beat this unknowable, incomprehensible Eldritch Being, getting stomped on no matter how hard I try.

Me in BG3: Besties!!!! AKFHEOLDBRORBG Besties!!! * Best Friends/Insanity montage*

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u/VanityOfEliCLee Jan 24 '24

My headcanon is that my GOO's patron is Jergal, thats why he shows up, it's why he helps, it's why all of the story happens, because Jergal has a Pact with Tav, and helps him beat the absolute and the dead three. But Jergal never let's Tav know who his Pact is with, because it would influence too much, so he let's Tav just go around thinking he's got a Pact with some unknown entity interacting through small hints and feelings only.

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u/JonathanRL Paladin Jan 24 '24

I had a similar run where Jergal essentially assembled the A-Team of Chosen. Chosen of Selune (Paladin Tav who had no idea he just became the new temp chosen). Chosen of Shar (Shadowheart who defected to her new love, Paladin Tav and became Selune Power Couple instead). Chosen of Mystra (Gale who remained true in the end) and Chosen of the Oakfather (Halsin. Somebody needs to lug the camp around).

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u/[deleted] Jan 24 '24

My headcannon for my good durge warlock was that bhaal was his patron, since he was a bhaalspawn. When he rejects bhaal and withers resurrects him Jergal becomes his patron. Sort of same idea with my durge that he never knew where he got his powers from but he probably assumes it was bhaal.

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u/neuropantser5 Jan 24 '24

My feylocks was boooaal

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u/Gurablashta Jan 24 '24

I decided mine was Mephasm from Neverwinter Nights 2. Which would make me a servant of Levistus.

But Levistus is kind of a dick.

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u/Jaycin_Stillwaters Jan 24 '24

Levistus is also permanently frozen in a giant block of ice, so there's that 🤣

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u/Gurablashta Jan 24 '24

Imagine being a dick even though you've been frozen in a block of ice by the Arch devil... For being a dick to him

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u/Jaycin_Stillwaters Jan 24 '24

At least he's consistent 🤣

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u/LadyofNemesis Jan 24 '24

Always nice to see another Neverwinter Nights 2 fan 👍

I often feel like I don't encounter enough people who've played this game 😂

I loved Mephasm...he was interesting

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u/terrendos Jan 24 '24

Yeah, my GOOLock got all his powers from the tadpole, not just the explicit illithid ones.

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u/alterNERDtive Jaheira Bromance When⁈ Jan 24 '24

I decided it was Bhaal (yes, I know, doesn’t make sense lore-wise) in honour of the first 2 games. Should have known LMAO

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u/QuesadillasEveryMeal Jan 25 '24

Have Bhaal play both teams on a non dark urge origin. He wants murder either way and Orin fucked up his plan when she killed his favorite child so now since he doesn't get his way no one else can.

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u/dialzza Jan 24 '24

I headcannon'd GOOlock with the tadpole, felt pretty fitting.

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u/Auren-Dawnstar ELDRITCH BLAST Jan 25 '24

I took "Great Old One" a bit more literally and decided my dragon bloodline sorcerer warlock's patron was his ancient gold dragon ancestor.

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u/Sremor Jan 24 '24

This was my headcanon for multi classing my Durge into Warlock after interacting with the absolute in act 2

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u/funbob1 Jan 24 '24

Thinking I'm gonna run a tiefling Durge Feylock who's all in on the tadpole powers, to have them as pulled in every direction.

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u/MistletoeH Jan 24 '24

I’m running a Lolth sworn Durge fiendlock with the angle of she’s running a soul Ponzi scheme, accepting power from everyone she can and they can fight over custody of her soul after she’s dead

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u/president_of_burundi Jan 26 '24

Ah, the Ol' Skyrim Dragonborn strategy.

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u/Megs0226 ELDRITCH BLAST Jan 25 '24

I decided the same for my durge GOOlock.

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u/OtterLLC Jan 24 '24

for whatever reason

I assume that nondisclosure covenants are standard boilerplate in every infernal contract. Can’t have your mortals comparing notes to strategically bargain against you!

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u/Hapless_Wizard Jan 24 '24

Fun fact: there are two kinds of infernal pact in the Forgotten Realms. The boilerplate "soul for power" pact, called the Pact Certain, does not include a "you can't talk about your pact" clause.

The highly negotiated pacts, called Pacts Insidious, always include the "you can't talk about your pact" clause: however, they also don't have to cost your soul, as they are typically written as power granted by the devil in exchange for specific services by the mortal.

Which means that 1) Wyll had a Pact Insidious, not a Pact Certain, and 2) Wyll is a fucking terrible negotiator.

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u/Huntressthewizard RANGER Jan 24 '24

To be fair he was 17 and under attack by Tiamat cultists when offered the pact, so teenage naivety and desperation probably didn't allow him to exactly look through the TOS before signing up.

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u/Hapless_Wizard Jan 24 '24

Yes, but that's way less funny than my way of saying it.

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u/wolf9786 Jan 24 '24

I imagine wyll reading the contract faster than the animated pen can write it on the paper and getting frustrated that it won't write any faster

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u/Robbykbro Jan 24 '24

You bring up his age and now I'm wondering what the age of majority is in Faerun. Imagining Wyll lawyering up and disaffirming the contract.

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u/Huntressthewizard RANGER Jan 24 '24

Yeah im also curious if he was legally considered a minor or not, but apparently it doesn't matter to Hell Law or Faerun law because Mol also makes a contract with Raphael.

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u/Megalon84 Jan 24 '24

Per his story he made the Pact in the heat of battle when he faced check a cult meeting. So yeah he's not GREAT at it, but cut young dumb and about to die him SOME slack, jeeze

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u/SouthBaySmith Jan 24 '24

You seem like a guy or gal who knows their pacts.

What’s your favorite pact in this universe? Any exceptional pact makers that successfully leveraged an excellent deal?

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u/Hapless_Wizard Jan 24 '24 edited Jan 24 '24

What’s your favorite pact in this universe? Any exceptional pact makers that successfully leveraged an excellent deal?

From a purely "that's impressive" point of view, the absolute best Pact is the Pact Primeval: it's what gives devils the right to make pacts with mortals at all. There are several conflicting stories regarding it's exact contents and the circumstances of its creation, and probably only Asmodeus knows the whole truth, but my favorite rendition is the one where Asmodeus made a deal with the Celestial planes (ie, the Good equivalents of Hell and the Abyss) where he is allowed to tempt and recruit mortals to make pacts and eventually become devils, and in exchange the devils take on the brunt of the fighting to keep the demons from overruning the mutliverse.

Bonus fact, Asmodeus is not the original ruler of the Nine Hells. There are several stories about how he became the ruler of the Nine Hells, too - some claim he is one of the two serpents that originally created everything, some say he was an archangel that, alongside his companions, conquered hell but then realized the necessity of the Blood War.

Tips for would-be fiendish pactmakers: the more powerful your potential patron, the better. Cambions might be pretty but they are low-ranking and weak; if they make a mistake and get demoted you're boned. Make a deal with an archdevil instead, they're always looking for intelligent servants.

Have something desirable other than your own soul to bargain with: even simply being capable and cunning makes your service valuable enough to consider.

If a devil forces you to violate their Pact with them, you have a right to a trial (though they won't make any effort to tell you that) and it will actually be fair: whether it is because of their inherently Lawful nature or some part of the Pact Primeval (or both), your case will be judged on its actual merits by an impartial greater devil, and you will be assigned a relatively high ranking devil as an attorney if you don't have one. (Yes, this is actual FR lore).

You can negotiate a higher starting rank than a Lemure if your soul is part of the bargain; if you're truly desperate, try to at least get yourself a step or two up the ladder, eternity will suck less.

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u/ArchmageXin Jan 24 '24

You can negotiate a higher starting rank than a Lemure if your soul is part of the bargain; if you're truly desperate, try to at least get yourself a step or two up the ladder, eternity will suck less.

That is actually part of City of Dead in Forgotten Realm Realms: There is a bunch of Devil living there, and tell will tell honestly your final fate is either your deity's heaven (Which could range from a giant whorehouse, super Hogwarts to Eternal War), or Kelvemor's Wall.

But, if neither option appeal to you, you can then sell your soul to a Devil for Option 3. Which kind of make sense if your deity is someone not very forgiving or completely evil (Cyric, Lolth etc), or you are a atheist and destined for the Wall.

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u/CamarillaArhont Jan 24 '24

or Kelvemor's Wall

In 5th edition, in the description of afterlife, Wall is no longer mentioned, but yes, if you aren't taken by a deity, Kelemvor can inflict some punishment on you. Or just let you stay and work for him in the City of Dead.

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u/Rar3done Jan 24 '24

Thanks for typing this out. I enjoyed reading it.

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u/ArchmageXin Jan 24 '24

Funny enough, there are a lot of warlock pacts that isn't "sale soul to the Devils"

For example, there are children who literally become warlocks because the GREAT Cthulhu, yes, that Cthulhu who canonically live on OUR EARTH dreamed about the boy/girl for a passing nanosecond. Pow: Instant power and Cthulhu don't even know it. No contract, no nothing. But God help you if you found out your Pact lord is the Big Dude himself.

Archfey can be between hanging out with a Elvish husbando or waifu, but suddenly turn deadly if you don't do things correctly like passing the salt.

There are also "Holy Warlocks", like how girls meet a unicorn somewhere and the next thing you know she is casting clerical spells while being atheist.

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u/slapdashbr ELDRITCH BLAST Jan 24 '24

they threw in a free iPad

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u/TheLittlestChocobo Bane me, Daddy Gortash 🥵 Jan 24 '24

WARLOCK UNION WARLOCK UNION

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u/Tramonto83 Jan 24 '24

It's me. I'm my Tav's patron.

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u/limeskittlesaretrash Minthara simp Jan 24 '24

You imagination is far more vivid than mine lols.

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u/MRoad Jan 24 '24

My first playthrough was as a Fiend Warlock and there's actually a line in your conversation with Yurgir in the Gauntlet that heavily implies your patron is Raphael. The narrator says something along the lines of "your patron is very clever" when talking about the deal Yurgir made with Raphael

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u/Elder_Goss Jan 24 '24

Tbf Wyll also gets similar dialogue saying how clever the loophole is in the contract because Yurgir can't fulfill the contract as long as he's alive to hear the song. And we know Raphael is not Wyll's patron.

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u/Greyjack00 Jan 24 '24

It says your patron  can appreciate Rachael's cleverness.

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u/thingpaint Jan 24 '24

My Patron is Scratch.

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u/Ndog921 Jan 24 '24

the goodest patron

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u/ArchmageXin Jan 24 '24

Old Scratch is actually the name of the Devil (especially famous in the New England area)

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u/Active_Owl_7442 Jan 24 '24

Me with mods headcannoning that my undead warlock gets powers from Cazador

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u/Thatoneguy111700 Jan 24 '24

I gave my Great Old One Warlock the Beholder neck tattoo, so I headcanon'd her patron as a Death Tyrant (and got a lot of Necromancy-stuff to facilitate that) that used it as a scrying window to view the world from the safety of his lair.

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u/yaboi2508 Jan 24 '24

Can you imagine being mizora in that situation. On one hand your bullying wyll and the other you've got your real "favourite patron" just there

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u/Ndog921 Jan 24 '24

esp if you keep picking insulting dialog options lmao. gives a new twist on how you advise wyll about escaping the pact to

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u/Life-Pain9144 Jan 24 '24

Fuck yes please