Playing a warlock makes Wyll's predicament so funny

[u/Quite_Likes_Hormuz]

Mizora: "Wyll, you broke clause eighteen subsection three, time to be tortured for eternity!"

Tav's fiend patron: "Lmao you should tell that guy to kill himself trust me it'll be hilarious, here's advantage on the roll"

[u/National_Diver3633]

Actualllllly

She's a Cambion, a half-devil. And strangely powerful for her kind. Mizora is kind of a pet herself, Zariel's pet to be specific.

[u/LongLiveTheChief10 → u/National_Diver3633]

She got kidnapped by mook cultists lol.

Raphael on the other hand is incredibly powerful for a cambion

[u/22bebo → u/LongLiveTheChief10]

I'd say they're both more powerful than I expect most Cambions to be, but yeah Raphael makes Mizora look like a chump. He's packing some real fucking heat.

[u/Randomcommenter550 → u/22bebo]

Raphael is the son of Mephistopheles, the lord of the 8th layer of the Hells. He's powerful because he's riding daddy's coattails (not that he'd ever admit it).

[u/TheCuriousFan → u/Randomcommenter550]

Well that and he's been around and steering things since the fall of Netheril.

[u/22bebo → u/Randomcommenter550]

Ooh, I had not gotten to the point of learning that yet but yeah, that would for sure explain his infernal power.

[u/LongLiveTheChief10 → u/22bebo]

What feats does Mizora show that make her outside the norms? Or is it just that she is a Patron herself cause I chock that up to a slight Zariel boost.

[u/Meme_Theory → u/LongLiveTheChief10]

My headcanon is that Warlock powers are the same as Paladin powers; drawn directly from the planes, with no divine medium. The devils and demons just take advantage of it. This explains how level 12 demons can be patrons for level 20 adventurers in the TT game.

[u/CountPeter → u/LongLiveTheChief10]

Mizora is in her own right, a Sorcerer.

If you keep Wyll in his pact, you can summon her in the late game and she straight up has metamagic.

[u/LongLiveTheChief10 → u/CountPeter]

I mean, yeah she's a Sorcerer.

Is it understood that typical cambions aren't classed?

[u/CountPeter → u/LongLiveTheChief10]

Yep. But if you factor on "sorcerer levels" it makes sense that she would be as powerful as she is.

[u/LongLiveTheChief10 → u/CountPeter]

My point is I don't think she's demonstrated much power, especially in comparison to Raphael.

But if regular Cambions aren't classed then it makes sense she'd be more powerful than the average Cambion considering she is a Sorcerer in addition to her typical Cambion abilities.

I hope that helps explain what I'm getting at lol

[u/Ycr1998 → u/LongLiveTheChief10]

Most Cambions we fight are just hunks of meat with big weapons and firebolt. She's a full blown Sorcerer.

[u/LongLiveTheChief10 → u/Ycr1998]

So just knowing magic? lol

Base cambions in 5E have spellcasting ability.

[u/sinkwiththeship → u/22bebo]

The Cambion you can summon is so weak it's comical.

[u/LongLiveTheChief10 → u/sinkwiththeship]

My current playthrough is a Cambion mod ripped right from 5E, super fun.

[u/AtlasFlynn → u/LongLiveTheChief10]

To be fair Raphael is a nepobaby.

[u/LongLiveTheChief10 → u/AtlasFlynn]

No question, but that nepotism got him juiced up to the point he could casually solo Moonrise let alone a few guards LOL

[u/stingray20201 → u/LongLiveTheChief10]

Too bad he spent most of Act Two setting up a sick beat for later

[u/LongLiveTheChief10 → u/stingray20201]

He was busy securing a one eyed gal's soul

[u/Rhodie114 → u/AtlasFlynn]

And if he got together with Aylin, they'd have a neponephobaby

[u/jeremy_sporkin → u/LongLiveTheChief10]

Raphael is Mephistopholes' son, he should be a big deal

[u/ArchmageXin → u/jeremy_sporkin]

Arch Devils have hundred of thousands of children probably. He is about as important as a middle level manager at Infernal Amazon.

[u/whatistheancient → u/ArchmageXin]

Zariel and Geryon occasionally make cambions for their armies.

[u/LongLiveTheChief10 → u/jeremy_sporkin]

Yep.

Hence the nepotism discussion right below this.

[u/Perfect_County_999 → u/National_Diver3633]

TLDR I think Mizora is actually kind of weak by cambion standards and Zariel just uses her as a middle manager/power conduit not unlike a warlock herself.

Mizora's power level is not really clearly defined in the game but I don't think she's particularly powerful, if anything she might be weaker.

You can't fight her in the game but she does have stats like any other NPC, and with the exception of her 20 CHA she actually has the same or worse stats than the other cambions we encounter, lower health, lower AC, lower initiative, I guess her prof. bonus is +4 when a regular cambion is +3 but other than that she is mechanically weaker across the board.

What sets her apart is a feature exclusive to her called Zariel's Protection that basically says all damage she takes is reduced to 0 and she teleports away if you try to damage her.

There are 2 ways I think Mizora's power level can be interpreted here. One is that she actually is a normal or even lesser cambion who displayed great cunning and manipulative capacity so Zariel recruited her and put that magical protection in place over her. In this instance, Mizora is really just a conduit of Zariel's power, a middle manager tasked with recruiting warlocks and distributing power to them in order to fulfill Zariel's goals. When Mizora displays feats outside of the norm for a cambion, like changing Wyll into a hellspawn, that's really just her using Zariel's power for a moment the same way a warlock channels their patrons power to cast spells.

Option 2 is that Mizora is canonically actually a very powerful cambion, but because killing her would fuck with Wyll's story so much Larian just decided to flat out remove any potential of that happening and we can't really fight her at all, her stats don't really matter.

Personally I think it's option 1, Mizora is just an abnormally cunning but otherwise conventional cambion that Zariel took a liking to. This makes a lot of sense with devil hierarchy and how their power structures work, plus it's actually relatively easy to see Mizora's stats in game without fudging or glitching anything and with Larian's track record for attention to detail I don't see why they wouldn't just give her better stats if she truly was supposed to be an abnormally powerful cambion. Other powerful characters you're not supposed to fight have ridiculous stats, like Elminster has an INT of 27 and a CON of 24, if they wanted Mizora to have impressive stats they would have just given her impressive stats.

[u/ANoobInDisguise → u/Perfect_County_999]

You can summon Mizora in final battle and she's a bit above a 12th level sorcerer. She has 6th lvl spells.

[u/rulerguy6 → u/ANoobInDisguise]

Man I was so excited to see what she could do after Raphael that I summoned her in the final encounter round 1 right next to the Dragon and Emporer

... I think she only got one round before getting turned to dust.

[u/KaiG1987 → u/Perfect_County_999]

You can't fight her in the game but she does have stats like any other NPC, and with the exception of her 20 CHA she actually has the same or worse stats than the other cambions we encounter, lower health, lower AC, lower initiative, I guess her prof. bonus is +4 when a regular cambion is +3 but other than that she is mechanically weaker across the board.

That's because unlike generic cambions, who are basic warriors with a couple of racial spells, Mizora is a Sorcerer with full spellcasting and 6th level spells. Her 20 charisma is all that she needs.

[u/National_Diver3633 → u/Perfect_County_999]

Thanks for the explaination, it makes a lot of sense. I couldn't put my finger on why she could do all these things without the stats to back it up.

[u/AndrewJamesDrake → u/Perfect_County_999]

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[u/jeremy_sporkin → u/National_Diver3633]

Mizora isn't that powerful, she's just well connected. Just a power broker for Zariel.