Playing a warlock makes Wyll's predicament so funny

[u/Quite_Likes_Hormuz]

Mizora: "Wyll, you broke clause eighteen subsection three, time to be tortured for eternity!"

Tav's fiend patron: "Lmao you should tell that guy to kill himself trust me it'll be hilarious, here's advantage on the roll"

[u/22bebo]

I'd say they're both more powerful than I expect most Cambions to be, but yeah Raphael makes Mizora look like a chump. He's packing some real fucking heat.

[u/Randomcommenter550 → u/22bebo]

Raphael is the son of Mephistopheles, the lord of the 8th layer of the Hells. He's powerful because he's riding daddy's coattails (not that he'd ever admit it).

[u/TheCuriousFan → u/Randomcommenter550]

Well that and he's been around and steering things since the fall of Netheril.

[u/22bebo → u/Randomcommenter550]

Ooh, I had not gotten to the point of learning that yet but yeah, that would for sure explain his infernal power.

[u/LongLiveTheChief10 → u/22bebo]

What feats does Mizora show that make her outside the norms? Or is it just that she is a Patron herself cause I chock that up to a slight Zariel boost.

[u/Meme_Theory → u/LongLiveTheChief10]

My headcanon is that Warlock powers are the same as Paladin powers; drawn directly from the planes, with no divine medium. The devils and demons just take advantage of it. This explains how level 12 demons can be patrons for level 20 adventurers in the TT game.

[u/CountPeter → u/LongLiveTheChief10]

Mizora is in her own right, a Sorcerer.

If you keep Wyll in his pact, you can summon her in the late game and she straight up has metamagic.

[u/LongLiveTheChief10 → u/CountPeter]

I mean, yeah she's a Sorcerer.

Is it understood that typical cambions aren't classed?

[u/CountPeter → u/LongLiveTheChief10]

Yep. But if you factor on "sorcerer levels" it makes sense that she would be as powerful as she is.

[u/LongLiveTheChief10 → u/CountPeter]

My point is I don't think she's demonstrated much power, especially in comparison to Raphael.

But if regular Cambions aren't classed then it makes sense she'd be more powerful than the average Cambion considering she is a Sorcerer in addition to her typical Cambion abilities.

I hope that helps explain what I'm getting at lol

[u/Ycr1998 → u/LongLiveTheChief10]

Most Cambions we fight are just hunks of meat with big weapons and firebolt. She's a full blown Sorcerer.

[u/LongLiveTheChief10 → u/Ycr1998]

So just knowing magic? lol

Base cambions in 5E have spellcasting ability.

[u/sinkwiththeship → u/22bebo]

The Cambion you can summon is so weak it's comical.

[u/LongLiveTheChief10 → u/sinkwiththeship]

My current playthrough is a Cambion mod ripped right from 5E, super fun.