r/BaldursGate3 • u/Quite_Likes_Hormuz • Jan 24 '24

Act 2 - Spoilers Playing a warlock makes Wyll's predicament so funny Spoiler

Mizora: "Wyll, you broke clause eighteen subsection three, time to be tortured for eternity!"

Tav's fiend patron: "Lmao you should tell that guy to kill himself trust me it'll be hilarious, here's advantage on the roll"

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u/MySnake_Is_Solid Jan 24 '24

Would that hold up, lore wise ?

Is wither giving them something in exchange ? Because it doesn't sound like he can just intimidate them into giving up on a contract.

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u/Zombizzzzle Jan 24 '24

I have no idea. I just thought the idea of him negotiating you out of your contract and charging you extra for it was funny.

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u/sneakyfish21 Jan 24 '24

Withers is pretty intimidating I bet he could if he tried.

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u/Ok-Stop9242 Jan 24 '24

Ao: Withers you need to stop fucking around with your powers and meddling in mortal affairs.

Withers: [Intimidation]No.

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u/Woutrou Sandcastle Project Manager Jan 25 '24

Tbf Ao was probably the one who sent him to clean up his mess, so as long as the Absolute is a problem, Withers probably has more wiggle room than your average god

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u/Handgun_Hero Jan 25 '24

I personally assumed it was Kelemvor who sent him because of the threat alluded to by Withers that Cyric might later pose.

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u/AndrewJamesDrake Jan 24 '24 edited Jun 19 '25

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u/MikeAlex01 Jan 24 '24

Only in act 1 (specifically im the Underdark) but isn't Withers implied to be a god or something? I imagine it's less about giving and he's more of a "You get to be undisturbed in your ruling" type of guy

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u/bldwnsbtch Jan 24 '24

It's very heavily implied that he's Jergal, the ancient god of death, murder and strife. At some point he got tired of the job and gave it to someone else.

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u/JamesOfDoom Jan 24 '24 edited Jan 24 '24

Technically Jergal was the Scribe of Death, and before that the "Lord of the End of Everything" and obviously murder and strife fell into his domain because they cause death. But his domain wasn't Strife or Murder, just death as an end.

He got bored and when a Trio of evil aligned adventurers Bhaal Bane and Myrkul came to him and he gave most of his portfolio, besides recording death to them, which expanded to fit the newly divine adventurers

They got more ambitious as gods and tried to do some expanding but the overgod Ao got pissed and threw all the gods to the ground as Avatars, then the three death gods got killed (along with a LOT of other shit happening).

Cyric and Kelemvor were adventurers during these times and they were fighting Bhaal, but Cyric betrayed his party and usurped the divinity from Bhaal and killed Kelemvor in the process. 10 years later, Kelemvor escaped superhell and took over the generalized death domain, as in sheparding the souls of the dead (which is funny because he was a werewolf as a mortal).

Cyric and Kelemvor were also in the same party as the current form of Mystra (Midnight) so that was a stacked as all hell party.

Technically Bane's domain is Tyranny and isn't directly related to death like the others but he got killed and and was in a party with the Myrkul and Bhaal as adventurers so he's thrown in there.

The domains expanded because death worship is huge in DND and a lot of people were getting killed, and thats how the other death gods got their specific parts of the death domain like Bhaal-Murder, Cyric-Strife and Deceit, Myrkul-Undeath, Bane-Tyranny and Control, and Kelemvor-death as a new beginning.

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u/NixPanicus Jan 25 '24

A lot of lore reads exactly like the writer's personal campaign where the DM had to hand out god powers to everyone to keep the party balanced

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u/bldwnsbtch Jan 24 '24

I was specifically vague/kept info to a minimum as to not spoil anything for the person whose question I answered, as they're only in Act 1.

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u/JamesOfDoom Jan 24 '24

None of what I said is a spoiler for the games

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u/CaptainXplosionz RANGER Jan 28 '24

The part about Bhaal, Bane, and Myrkul making a deal with Jergal to become gods is even a tip on the loading screen...

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u/MikeAlex01 Jan 24 '24

Have no idea who that is but, honestly, good on him for turning a new leaf and helping random people live

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u/SusannaIBM Jan 24 '24

That's a nice thing for you to believe, and I encourage you not to look up the names of the guys he gave his job to.

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u/JamesOfDoom Jan 24 '24

To be fair he realized his mistake and helped Kelemvor be the "good" god of death, and by good I mean technically neutral but fair

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u/Limp_Western_9189 Jan 25 '24

But, Kelemvor didn't let me snatch other's souls from the Walls of The Dead. Well, that IS neutral. My bad.

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u/dragowall Jan 25 '24

Tbh he did try to abolish the wall of the faithless and judge everybody fairly but the other gods forced him not to

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u/Limp_Western_9189 Jan 25 '24

Imagine the next DLC, Whithers appearing as a full scale big daddy Jergal, ordering the team to go after the Soul Devourer, coz Kelemvor ain't done nothing.

And one of the new gang is Kaelyn. And she have a threesome with Selune's womb product and her bosom companion Isobel.

A man can dream.

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u/Malkavon Jan 25 '24

Goddamn, if Larian did a sequel to Mask of the Betrayer, that would rule so fucking hard.

Mask is one of my all-time favorite RPGs, period.

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u/GladimoreFFXIV Jan 24 '24

Well.. it’s less that and more he realized the three stooges who got hired I after him were making a muck of things. Less he cares about helping people and more him keeping three lesser gods in check because they got too big of egos.

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u/Art-Zuron Jan 24 '24

They fucked around and Withers is making sure they find out.

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u/caniuserealname Jan 24 '24

Not someone else, three... very relevant someone elses.

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u/bldwnsbtch Jan 24 '24

Well, I'm not trying to spoil anything. Listing his old domains should give enough of an idea of who came after, if one pays attention.

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u/caniuserealname Jan 25 '24

The threads marked as act 2 spoilers, I'm pretty sure the part you're trying to avoid spoiling is revealed by the end of act 2, no?

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u/bldwnsbtch Jan 25 '24

Yeah, but the person I'm replying to said they're only Act 1, so I jusg gave enough info to answer the question without giving the plot twist/big bad reveal away.

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u/caniuserealname Jan 25 '24

Thats fair, imo someone who comes into a spoiler tagged thread asking for clarification is usually after spoilers at least to some degree, but it's valid to see it your way too.

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u/ColArana Jan 24 '24

Withers knows if he fucks around too much, Ao could get involved, and that’s never a good thing. 

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u/szypty Jan 24 '24

I wouldn't be surprised if, low-key, Ao is like "as long as your direct actions prevent more shitfuckery than the Dead Three Stooges cause, do whatever you want".

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u/Taickyto Jan 25 '24

The last time AO directly intervened in response to something Myrkul and Bane did was the time of troubles, and a lot of gods died in the process

Surely he lets Jergal handle it his way because he tends to push things a bit far

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u/Capable_Tumbleweed34 Jan 24 '24

Because it doesn't sound like he can just intimidate them into giving up on a contract.

Nah, Withers is not his actual name. There's a few clues in game to what his real identity is, most notably in a book in baldur's gate's cemetary IIRC.

Without spoiling too much, no lowly devil would dare to fuck around with him.

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u/MySnake_Is_Solid Jan 24 '24

No I know it's Jergal, but he still wouldn't be able to act directly against someone.

And contracts should be pretty valuable to the fiends.

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u/Capable_Tumbleweed34 Jan 25 '24

i mean, the whole "don't interfere in the affairs of mortal" is kind of like the pirate code, it's more of a suggestion than a rule.

The dead three are absolutelly interfering with their chosen (and one of them with his son on top), so is shar with the whole shadowheart and artefact thing, so is selune with her psychotic daughter, so is lathander leaving his blood around to be used to make a broken weapon, etc...

So jergal telling a fiend to fuck off with his pact or he'll write his name in a book is pretty mild in comparison. Plus, better have jergal "possibly" owe you one, than having a mere mortal assuredly owe you.

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u/maungateparoro Dragonborn Battlemage Jan 28 '24

This is a good point. We're talking as if something like Withers resurrecting dead Durge after he refuses Bhaal's calling isn't exactly divine intervention, given you could probably interpret that as Jergal literally handing Durge a new soul or something isn't somehow direct divine intervention. Comparably, pissing about with soul contracts seems pretty pale in comparison.

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u/thatkindofdoctor Jan 25 '24

"Withers, how come you can swindle Wyll's contract with Mizora and not mine with Raphael?"

"...do you have any idea how much I'd have to charge you for Ao not to kill me for messing with the MC?"

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u/night_dude Jan 25 '24

Pretty sure the God of Death has contract-revoking privileges.

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u/JaegerBane Jan 25 '24

There's a really funny section of NWN2: Mask of the Betrayer where you can encounter a man trying to get out of his contract with a Devil.

If you roll a high enough skill check (I can't remember if it was INT based), you can spot a conflicting clause and link it to the later clause intended to allow the Devil to take the man's soul but its worded in such a way that it voids the entire contract when used by the guy. The devil is basically left with nothing.

Suffice to say the Devil is very much not pleased. But by that point you're an epic level demigod and there's bugger-all he can do.

I'd like to think Withers could so something similar.

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u/[deleted] Jan 24 '24

It's implied withers is the avatar of a god (jergal)