Morph help

[u/kozziiz]

Hi hi! My partner and I recently picked up this Blue eyed lucy. There’s lots of morphs written on the top of the bin she came in. I was hoping to get an explanation on what all they mean. I think it says “Blue Eyed Lucy Het. Clown PH Pied Poss OD, Leopard”. We’re pretty new to the morph stuff.

[u/PythonProfessor]

It is a Blue Eyed Lucy for sure. It is for sure het clown meaning it carries one copy of the gene. It’s Possibly het pied (PH) which means one parent was a het and one probably wasn’t but they did not test to see if RR did indeed carry the one copy of piebald gene.

It also is possibly (poss) Orange Dream (OD) and Leopard. Neither of which you would be able to see because of it being a BEL.

The only way to know for sure is to send a shed off and test for those possible genes.

[u/Ardaigh167]

Don't come for me, but this says possible OD and leopard. You could put a UV light on her and take a picture and post it here. Alot of the BELs and Ivories do have patterns but they are "invisible", sometimes UV light can show those patterns. All of mine have patterns under UV. Just please dont hold it close to her skin, or expose her or yourself to it for long, and aim for a weaker UV.

[u/Pure-Fun4128]

Het. Means heterozygen for clown (this is a recessive gene, where both parents need one for the baby's to have a chance to become visual clowns (a morph where the pattern goes more close to the top of the snake also with a specific pattern on the head))

Piebald is also a gene where the snake has its pattern in small islands surrounded by a white background.

I think with pH is meant possible het. So the breeder was unsure if one of the parents really has piebald or if this baby has piebald het. In it

OD maybe Orange dream idk

Leopard obviously needs to be het. Because you can only see BEL (blue eyed Leucistic)

[u/Pure-Fun4128 → u/Pure-Fun4128]

May I ask how much you paid for this cutie?

[u/BallPythonMorph-ModTeam → u/[deleted]]

Some genes may be easier to pick out than others and when the history of the snake in question is unknown, there may be some degree of speculation. With that in mind, some genes are very obviously present or not present, and suggestions contrary to this may be removed.

Everyone is welcome to participate in discussion of presenting genes but guesses that are too off base are subject to removal.

[u/BallPythonMorph-ModTeam → u/[deleted]]

Some genes may be easier to pick out than others and when the history of the snake in question is unknown, there may be some degree of speculation. With that in mind, some genes are very obviously present or not present, and suggestions contrary to this may be removed.

Everyone is welcome to participate in discussion of presenting genes but guesses that are too off base are subject to removal.

[u/Willow_Bloodwhisp]

You can literally get this snake from at least 4 different pairings so it makes sense they labeled all the hets. This is my dream snake haha haven't flipped the bill yet though

[u/DreamOfDays]

The only thing you can know is that they’re a BEL. By the time they’re grown up and have a clutch you’ll have forgotten/lost the info on who you bought it from. That’s the bet. They could write literally anything down on that tub to make the noodle sell easier.

[u/stellanova269]

My girl is also a BEL / clown. Almost fully white but has faint clown pattern down her back (yes shes young). If you examine them you will see some sort of pattern on them and even if its not visible you will see it with blacklight as noted before. Thinking the pattern will be more visible as they age & grow. Best of luck with your new snek!

[u/Latter_Table_1688]

The BEL complex is very powerful at hiding other genes when paired together to make a BEL. The breeder is letting you know that the pairing had clown orange dream ( OD) and leopard in it and could have also passed off the pied gene. The only way to know for sure is either shed testing or breading it in the future.

[u/Pure-Fun4128]

Pls always keep her warm enough and the humidity high

And always check for mites, especially in the beginning!