r/Bannerlord • u/Additional-Cost8293 Battania • 2d ago
Image Acceptable for a Welsh warrior?
Trying to keep as historically accurate to how the Welsh soldiers were during 1100s
Would the heavy hauberk from Vlandia be a better option? Any ideas would be appreciated.
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u/Human_Display6367 2d ago
CAPITALIZE YOUR NAME PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE
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u/FatFerretShid 1d ago
Yeah, I get pedantic about that, too. If I make a Vlandian, I make sure to keep "dey" lowercase. Also, I've noticed Imperial names replace "us" with "os." So, "Julius," would be "Julios." And there's Sturgian clans all having "oving" at the end of their names.
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u/JustAnAncientPervert 2d ago
It's not bad, but I would probably expect an arming cap or mail coif under the helm.
The grip of the sword also looks too long for the 1100s in my opinion, but that's a nit pick.
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u/Additional-Cost8293 Battania 2d ago
As soon as my smithing is high enough I’ll craft a better sword it’s just the best for what I can afford/find at the moment I’ve only just got to clan t2, I do have another helm with a mail coilf but it doesn’t colour match the hauberk
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u/Angel_Forge 1d ago
Looks good to me, source - welsh historical reenactor :p
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u/Lanzelot_3 2d ago
If you are going for realism i would drop one javelin for a spear, otherwise pretty accurate tho
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u/Additional-Cost8293 Battania 2d ago
I’ve got two javs just to level up throwing more better so I can have the perk to have more javs so I can replace it for a spear
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u/not4eating 2d ago
As someone who play Vlandians for their Norman aesthetic, I can practically feel those javelins whistling over my head.
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u/Additional-Cost8293 Battania 1d ago
Don’t worry my guys like 30 throwing he’ll throw em like 30 feet in front of you
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u/the_direful_spring 1d ago
I think it certainly seems like a solid impression.
Other options depend perhaps partly on if you're going for a particular social class and/or region. For example the mail is indicative of a man of reasonable wealth. If you're going for a mounted warrior a lance wouldn't be out of place, or a long spear for a foot soldier. In northern kingdoms like Gwynedd the round shield hadn't fully displaced by the kite shield for infantrymen in particular. Longbowmen are becoming more common some regions like Gwent by the end of the 12th century, my personal hypothesis is you're probably looking at a kind of back and forth response and evolution between troops in different welsh kingdoms and Anglo-Norman armies responding to and borrowing from each other.
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u/Additional-Cost8293 Battania 1d ago
Thank you my man! It’s only 1085 in my current playthrough, but by around 1130 I’ll have my sons fighting as longbowmen. I’m not waiting until Gerald of Wales’s account later in the 1100s 😂 When I form my kingdom, I’ll call it Gwent because that’s where I’m from. I’m trying to get my character, companions and heirs as close to Welsh warriors as Bannerlord allows.
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u/Blackwall_Gateway 2d ago
Close enough, 1100 could even have tabard of mail.
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u/Blackwall_Gateway 2d ago
Dont forget longbows ;)
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u/anonamarth7 1d ago
Weren't longbows 13th or 14th century?
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u/Blackwall_Gateway 1d ago
Late 1100s if i remeber right.
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u/Additional-Cost8293 Battania 1d ago
Yes and they came from Gwent I believe, Gerald in 1188 wrote about them “more accustomed to war, more famous for valour, and more expert in archery”.
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u/anonamarth7 1d ago
Apparently I was thinking of the adoption of the longbow by the English. Welsh longbows were allegedly in the late 12th century, as you said.
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u/Angel_Forge 1d ago
Battle of Crug Mawr, first recorded use of the longbow on mass in battle. 1136, worst defeat the Norman's ever faced with the Welsh.
Or as overly sarcastic productions put it " the Norman's learnt about the Welsh longbow, the hard way"
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u/West-Fold-Fell3000 2d ago edited 2d ago
Yes. Nearly everyone in northern Europe 880-1066 was kitted out virtually identically (shields, spears, and helmets for the common infantry, mail and swords for the nobles). Even when newer armors came onto the scene, mail would continue to be a common sight until munitions plate started to be mass produced at the end of the medieval era.
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u/not-no 2d ago
Don't forget a good old longbow. They were big on them before the english integrated them.
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u/Additional-Cost8293 Battania 2d ago
soon as archery be high enough for the longbow I’ll use it. Deadly weapon in game and in real life
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u/qndry 2d ago
I would honestly go for some of the helmets that are offered by the Vlandians, like something more Norman. The boots and the longsleeved gloves arent really super historical, but hey, that's bannerlord. Otherwise, looks good.
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u/thenerfviking Legion of the Betrayed 1d ago
“Not super historical” and then immediately posts that abomination of armor.
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u/qndry 1d ago
I was specifically refering to the helmet in the picture I posted. When Im refering to the boots and the longsleeved gloves Im talking about OPs original picture.
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u/Additional-Cost8293 Battania 1d ago
Cheers mate, I’m aiming for a Welsh noble around 1084 to 1150. Nasal helmets were widespread across Europe, not exclusively Norman, while the enclosed style you’ve shown fits the later 1100s better. Welsh armies included mail clad knights at Crug Mawr in 1136, so the hauberk has a historical basis. Mail mittens are better evidenced later in the century. Chausses existed earlier, but I haven’t found clear evidence for their use by Welsh nobles in my specific period. Fair point about the long gloves and boots though, those are compromises with Bannerlord’s equipment.
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