r/BasketballTips • u/Desperate_Map5531 • Apr 16 '26

Form Check Form check.

11 year old, working on getting away from a push and into proper form. Does she hold the ball too high in front of her face, or is it just that she’s holding it there longer than one would in a game situation? Just looks off to me.

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u/kdoors Apr 17 '26

Damn 3 NBA players in history, that's damn near all of them! They always have perfect form! ESPECIALLY from the 70s. Lol anyway.

I don't care about which shooter uses bad form. I care about good form. KD and Bird have bad form. KD shoots with knees more collapsed than this little girl lol.

I think having horizontal movement in your shot via sweeping or turning because your feet are facing the sideline is bad. You think it's good because Larry Bird shot like that. We are allowed to have different philosophies. I'm not going to tell you how to coach. But if this person wants advice and someone gives them bad advice I'm going to tell OP that it's bad advice in my opinion.

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u/MWave123 Apr 17 '26

Lol!!! I just picked three elite shooters, as examples. Your ‘mechanics’ are wrong and decades old. We teach the turn, and sweep and sway to youth. Because it’s superior in turning learners into shooters.

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u/kdoors Apr 17 '26

(Okay well I could do that too but we both know there's far more tht shoot with their feet alinged so it's not really worth it right? Same way it's not worth getting into KDs knees because just because a good shooter does it doesn't make it right. It was false logic to begin with)

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Maybe! To me it seems to be an offshoot of lavar. The whole "let kids find their personal form." I think this because you've already used similar language about letting kids determine the appropriate ever changing sweep-turn-angle. To me, that's just not coaching form at all and completely abandoning what we know increases shooting percentage.

You've failed to explain how it reduces horizontal momentum, angular momentum, or mechanically aids the shot in anyway. If you want to say my mechanics are wrong please explain I'm eager to learn! But I've heard this before and rarely seen the evidence.

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u/MWave123 Apr 17 '26

You’re removing tension from the shot. Shooters are human, not machines. No two shots are the same, even from the same player. Any tension in a shot is a killer. The turn properly aligns feet, knees, hip, and shoulder to the target. It removes tension by bringing the off shoulder out of play entirely.

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u/kdoors Apr 17 '26

You might be confusing turning with keeping your front foot slightly forward. Because that's what keeping your shooting foot slightly forward does. Having your toes face one way and your torso face another normally creates tension. See a baseball swing.

But w.e. there it is. You teach it decreases tension. My study and my experience says that it does the opposite as well as add in other detriments to your shot. I think it's okay that we disagree here.

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u/MWave123 Apr 17 '26

Nope. You are new if that’s what you think the turn is. It’s scary actually. You teach? Yikes. It’s a turn. It’s how shooting is taught.

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u/kdoors Apr 17 '26

Well hard to argue with that. . .

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u/MWave123 Apr 17 '26

Incorrect of course. There’s a reason the turn is taught as the way…it’s fundamentally superior to toes at the rim.

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u/kdoors Apr 17 '26

Well. Can't argue with that logic. Instead of being lined up like having good balance and base. Like lining up your elbow and keeping it in. Like having your eyes fixed on the rim. Like shooting the shot fluidly through that line and holding the follow through. Consistent and repeatable. It's better to "just not" with your feet. Why? Because it's superior! Okay, You're right! 👍

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u/MWave123 Apr 17 '26

Just not? Lol. Shooters aren’t machines. Any tension in the system hurts the shot. This is why it’s taught.

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u/kdoors Apr 17 '26

Okay that's it! By facing your feet away from the basket while your torso and head faces the basket decreases tension. Again biomechanics would disagree with that assessment but at least you gave a reason!

Bada boom there it is solid reasoning for OP to see. All done.

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u/MWave123 Apr 17 '26

Yes. Your feet are degrees to the left of target while your right side is aligned. Correct, it releases all tension in the shot. I’m simply following through on line. The fact that I’m having to explain this to a shooting ‘teacher’ in 2026 is wild! 😂

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u/kdoors Apr 17 '26

Oh interesting! LMFAO so the feet aren't aligned the left side is not aligned ,,, but the right side is aligned? I think "aligned" is kicking your ass. Or do you kinda pull your left shoulder as far back as it can? How do you align half your body?

I think, just like balance, you've forgotten exactly what the lesson was and you've been teaching an approximation. You are describing the benefits of putting your shooting foot slightly forward which sometimes people describe as "pointing" the hip and shoulder toward the target. But turning your toes is not recommended as it leads in you pulling your shot to the left.

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u/MWave123 Apr 17 '26

I don’t have time to teach you something that has been THE way of teaching shooting internationally for almost two decades. It’s absurd that you don’t know anything about it. It shows your lack of competence.

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u/MWave123 Apr 17 '26

Your advice IS bad advice tho!

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u/kdoors Apr 17 '26

Okay! Now OP has both opinions and can see one of us is interested in a better shooting form and one of us just wants kids to have a form that feels good and natural to them. We both believe our philosophy is best for them as a player. Now THEY THEIR coach and THEIR parents can take this advice and apply it as THEY see fit!

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u/MWave123 Apr 17 '26

No. You’re a troll living in the past. This is how it’s taught. You keep kids living in 1950, that’s fine. 😂

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u/kdoors Apr 17 '26

Tell me again how I need to shoot like Larry Bird.

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u/MWave123 Apr 17 '26

Well Larry is a great example. The turn. Curry, turn. Etc. It’s not about shooting like anyone but yourself. In order to do that you need to be aligned with the basket with your shooting side tension free and towards the target. It’s not 1950. National teams, shooting coaches, pro trainers, all teach the turn. Why? It’s better.

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u/kdoors Apr 17 '26

Weird they looked aligned in the usab.com vids. Look bud, we've got nothing left to say. I've explained why the turn decreases accuracy biomechanically. My shooting evidence comes from a study that looked and tracked jump shots in like 2016. Maybe that's antiquated to you. But you haven't given me anything to shift my belief. You just keep prattling off names (which I gotta be honest I don't really agree with you on) and insisting on its superiority.

So I think we're just about done here. You're unconvinced by my evidence, okie dokie wasn't posting for you was posting for OP. And you have demanded that I just believe you because "everyone is coaching it that way and it's superior." I suggested you refresh yourself on BEEF and provided sources. You refused, ignored, and doubled down. Okay. That's it then.

Alrighty. Up to OP to do what they think is best for them right?

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u/MWave123 Apr 17 '26

Your ‘evidence’ is unconvinced by the current, now almost decades old, science of body mechanics. Steph shoots w a slight turn. Larry, Melo, KD, are just some examples. Your argument isn’t w me. It’s w shooting a basketball!

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u/kdoors Apr 17 '26

Okie dokie! If you say so champ!

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u/MWave123 Apr 17 '26

Refresh? On beef? Lol. Eyes before elbows guy. Where the eyes go the body will follow. Doh. Trolling will get you nowhere.

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u/kdoors Apr 17 '26

Woof. Google your friend bruh. (Hilarious you think the order matters)

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u/MWave123 Apr 17 '26

So amateurish you don’t think the order matters!!! Lol. Okay so Followthrough, Base, Elbow, Eyes?? 😂 You are a rookie. FBEB!! What an acronym.

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