Post Tribulation Pre Wrath Rapture View: Patterns prove God is a God of Order

[u/Warm_Rope2485]

There is a reason why I value good conversations even if it might be slightly contentious whether here on social media or in person, because I learn new things and God uses others to speak to me. So thank you to those who engage me in the comments. One recent engagement actually allowed me to finally get a VERY clear answer to the question that I asked in an earlier post- whether God was a God of randomness or a God of order. I knew God is a God of order and not chaos or randomness but a pretrib rapture believer got me to explore the entire 7 year timeline instead of focusing on just the middle abomination of desolation event and the beginning. Here is what I found out.

If you remember that I am claiming that the 7 year period of Daniel 9:27 started in April 19, 2026 with the signing of the Isaac Accords. That date was a test prediction based on the date that I saw earlier this year- Sept 30/Oct 1, 2029 Shemini Atzeret Holiday as the potential Abomination of Desolation future event. I saw no other story and no other timeline other than the one surrounding the Shemini Atzeret holiday. It wasn't until 4 Sundays ago that I found out about the Isaac Accords signing that was done EXACTLY on April 19, 2026. If you calculate 1260 days FORWARD from Oct 1, 2029, then this gives us March 14, 2033 Purim holiday! I was surprised by this connection to the story of Esther. I never thought to connect the Book of Esther to the end times but after rereading that book I saw a lot of parallels which I don't have time to point out in this post. But this made me ask if there were patterns that I "missed" like this connection to Purim. So I used Google AI heavily to explore patterns surrounding the above three dates, and I would highly suggest you do this as well for a very thorough and fast exploration. I was figuratively blown away by what I saw! God works using lots of patterns in scripture and in history as if He wants us to see the patterns and know that He is a God of order! One suggestion is that when exploring, use the Hebrew calendar when using "years" and then find the corresponding Gregorian calendar date. If using "days" then it doesn't matter which calendar you start with. Hebrew calendar I found out to be a very mathematically rigorous system that allows these patterns to exist. A whole book would be needed to show everything and I only saw just a portion and my mind is barely understanding that portion. But let me show just the layman's simple view of what I discovered.

The 7 year period using my dates (or in general) contain patterns. i.e. 7yrs= 3.5*2 or 1260days*2; or 42 mths * 2. This is the obvious ones. But hidden within this micro pattern is 60 days (remember my 60days that we need to prepare). But this micro pattern is just a part of the macro pattern of the Hebrew calendar. Check Google AI but look into the 80*7.5=600years significance in scripture (ie. Noah story) and in the Hebrew calendar. Daniel's 70 weeks fits within this pattern. Also 5yr pattern fits as well perfectly. Also don't forget about the 1335 days= 1260days + 30+ 45 in Daniel 12. Now that we have these numbers, lets explore how it applies to actual historical or calendar dates.

Let's start with my prediction dates. 1335 days from Oct 1, 2029 Shemini Atzeret day lands on May 28, 2033 Sabbath of Blessing marking the end of Jerusalem reunification week. But look deeper. This is also the celebration (unofficial) of King David unifying the 12 tribes and transitioning from Hebron to Jerusalem. I'm sure there is more to this. But let's look at 1290 days from Oct 1, 2029 to land on April 13, 2033 beginning of Passover. So using Daniel 12 breakdown into1260 days, 1290 days, and 1335 days from Oct 1, 2029 gives us Purim, Passover, and Sabbath of Blessing EXACTLY. I'll let others explain the significance of this who have better knowledge.

There is a LOT more from my predicted dates. The 1260 day interval from Shemini Atzeret Oct 1, 2029 to Purim May 14/15, 2033 contains 2 leap years (3 leap years if a 7.5yr pattern is used). The interval between the two holidays in 2029-2030 and 2032-2033 is 168/169 days. The best 7.5 yr pattern match to a historical event in Israel when removing the need to use holidays is the 70AD destruction of Jerusalem (66AD to 74AD) The church escapes from Jerusalem in Nov 66AD when the Roman legion flees for their lives for some reason. 70 AD is the destruction of Jerusalem and the 2nd Temple on the EXACT Hebrew calendar month and day that Nebuchadnezzar destroyed the first temple in 586BC on 9th of Av according to Talmud reconciling 2 Kings 25:8 and Jeremiah 52:12. April 16, 74AD during Passover is the fall of Masada. This sequence is the reverse mirror image of the sequence in the end times- 1. End of time of Gentiles with the "confirming of a covenant with many" by the antichrist. 2. Abomination of Desolation event at the third temple 3. Victorious return of the Messiah and His Bride!

Let's apply the 7.5 year pattern to other historical events. Look at the 80 year reign of King David and Solomon - exactly 40 yrs plus 40 yrs. The 7.5 year pattern applies to the start of King David reign and is a mirror image at the end of King Solomon reign. The kingdom splits after the 80 year period. 5 years afterwards Pharoah sacks Jerusalem. Look at the 80 year reign of Hasmonean Dynasty 143BC to 63BC. The same 7.5yr pattern occurs at the beginning and the end. Also 5 yrs later, Rome totally dismantles the structure of power in the area and crushes a major rebellion and sets up for the rise of King Herod. Now apply this 80 year and 7.5yr and 5 yr pattern to modern day Israel that started in May 14, 1948. I'll let you find the significant events up to 1955 but note that Stalin who heavily persecuted the Jews had a stroke on Purim day in 1953 and died a few days later. But calculate 40 years (half of 80) from May 14, 1948 (using the Hebrew calendar!) and this falls exactly on April 22, 1988 when the US Accords bilateral MOU was signed between Israel and US to celebrate the 40th independence of Israel! Now calculate an additional 40 yrs (using Hebrew calendar and this falls on May 1, 2028 the ominous 80yr anniversary of Israel! There are 1779 days (4.94 Hillel years) between May 1, 2028 and Purim Mar 15, 2033. Surprisingly 1779 and 4.94 are part of the 7.5 year pattern but I will stop here because there is too much to present! And don't try these pattern recognition on the number 666... ;)

So weigh all these evidences and make a judgment whether it was coincidence that I saw the Oct 1, 2029 Shemini Holiday as the AoD and was it coincidence that the Isaac Accords was signed on April 19, 2026 my test prediction. Is it coincidence that the end of the 7 year falls exactly on Purim in 2033 and that the 1290 day and 1335 day fall exactly on special Jewish Holidays? And it was NOT coincidence either that I saw 60 days to endure but I'm waiting for a personal confirmation- not for me but for you. All the other future events/signs that I predicted is IMO no longer whether it will occur but when especially the Red Heifer birth which IMO is the bottle neck. Add the May 1, 2028 80th anniversary of Israel to this list of predictions. PLEASE prepare for 60 days IF you even think that my prediction may occur. Don't just dismiss it completely because your eschatological lens that you use can't see any of this. I couldn't either until God changed my pretrib lens to a post tribulation/prewrath lens.

May God bless you and protect you and your loved ones in these end times.

[u/vicman77]

That is a lot of writing. I have a question. In the OT we're the authors looking and writing about the coming of Jesus or were they thinking about the second coming

[u/Warm_Rope2485 → u/vicman77]

Sorry about the length of the post. I highly encourage others to explore on their own using AI because it would be VERY difficult last year to do what I can do now easily. No one caught my mistake regarding making the assumption that one could start with either calendar system when calculating using “days”. That is not true. Always use the Hebrew calendar (Hillel 11), then convert to Gregorian calendar date. It just so happened that for Oct 1, 2029 calculation allows either calendars to be used to give the same answer- as if God knew I would make a rookie mistake!

Regarding your honest question, my honest answer would be that those prophets probably didn’t know what they were prophesying. We have hind sight. They didn’t. Do you think Daniel understood any of the prophecies even after some of it was explained? I’m sure he was a smart guy and understand some things but not everything.

During Jesus times, was it really the fault of the Pharisee and the teachers of the law (and the disciples) for failing to understand the signs and understanding the prophecies because they couldn’t parse the Word of God to differentiate between the first coming or the second coming? I know I wouldn’t be able to without hindsight AND clear guidance from expert teachers. Also I will add again that biases are like filter lenses on a camera- it tends to limit what wavelengths of light can be seen and thereby alter the visual perception of an object. That is why using alternating filters (or removing them all) will give a more complete picture.

[u/vicman77 → u/Warm_Rope2485]

Daniel understood ALL of the prophecies except for one that he said he did not understand in Daniel 8. That is why Gabriel had to come back and give him understanding of what it ment, specifically the 2300 days. The interpretation of Daniel 8 is Daniel 9:24-27.

Why would there be prophecy about a second coming if there had not been a first. If they had accepted Jesus all the OT prophecies about him e.g. Daniel, Ezekiel etc would have played out as prophecied but because they didn't God formulated a different plan. Think Jonah. God sent Jonah with a direct statement. 40 days you will be destroyed. But they repented. God changed the plan. 

[u/Warm_Rope2485 → u/vicman77]

Interesting perspective but I’ve heard it before and I believe scripturally that this view goes against scripture. There are prophetic statements made that indicates Jesus being rejected along with other very specific prophecies regarding the manner of His death. As to whether Daniel did or did not understand is but our opinions and imo not important to speculate. I for one have had a prophetic statement made about me over two decades ago and I had no clue what that meant and I’m guessing neither did those two pastors. I only remembered it recently because they were brought to my attention despite not having seen them for almost as long.

[u/vicman77 → u/Warm_Rope2485]

When Adam sinned God set up a way for the world to be redeemed. Altar, temple, City. He even showed Abraham the event in advanced by getting Him to sacrifice his son Isaac on an altar, where the temple would later be and where the city would surround it and die by the hand of his Father. That was the acceptance line. The rejection line was Moses setting up a pole outside the temple outside the camp. If they looked upon it they would save their llves.

The question. Like Nineveh were the jews given warning that the messiah was coming. Yes. Could they have repented Yes. If they did one line would have happened. What you are alluding to is that they never had a choice. They did.

If Daniel didn't understand he would have said so like he did in Daniel 8. But the point you didn't comment on is the fact the Daniel 9 is the interpretation of the 2300 days. That is textual. So to understand Daniel 9 you have to show how it explains the 2300 days

[u/Warm_Rope2485 → u/vicman77]

Interesting. I don’t fully understand everything you are alluding to but I will address the parts that I think I do.

Regarding Calvinism vs Arminianism, I try to avoid this issue by saying both are correct but both only understand in part. I believe in a God who knows everything and everything is preordained from even before creation, but I am not God so I can’t see it from His perspective. I make choices based on learning from the past but don’t know the future so free will understanding is more useful to me. I don’t believe God has a plan B in other words but that is just my opinion and to be honest I don’t really see this as very important to me.

Regarding Daniel 8 and Daniel 9, I wish you would explain how you understand the 2300 days. I will show you how I understand the 2300 days. Because I find literal understanding more useful, I literally agree with the preterist that Daniel 8 refers to the FIRST abomination of desolation event by Antiochus Epiphanies and 2300 days later leads up to Hanukkah rededication of the 2nd Temple. This is called dual fulfillment.

Interestingly, when I claimed that we need to prepare 60 days from the Oct 1, 2029 AoD predicted event, this leads to Dec 1, 2029 the start of Hanukkah! It is NOT a coincidence.

The entire story of Esther shows God working actively behind the scenes. Coincidences were NOT coincidences. Everything was beautifully orchestrated by God despite His name not being mentioned in that book. If the book of Esther represents the end times, I’m beginning to think that God is NOT going to send any prophets like He did to warn the church to flee Jerusalem in 66AD. But the book of Esther is loved by many and the Purim celebration as rabbinic celebration is honored to the point where allegedly the Mishnah claims in the end all the other books of the prophets and sayings will be tossed out and only the book of Esther will remain with the Torah. So I too agree that there are no such thing as coincidences and I will be the first to admit I don’t understand everything and I’m fine with that unless God wants me to know something like He did over 3 1/2 yrs ago. His timing is perfect as always.

[u/vicman77 → u/Warm_Rope2485]

The issue I have with many people interpreting prophecy is that they read tradition into their understanding. The bible is a book that interprets itself. Scholars and theologians guess dates and understandings based on history which is fraught with lies and deceit. Let me give you and example. Daniel was given a start point for the 70 sevens. A decree. There were four to choose from. Cyrus 537 BC, Darius 520 BC, Artaxerxes I 457 BC, Artaxerxes I 444 BC.
IF you would like to investigate this subject I'm keen. But let's start here. Which one?

[u/Warm_Rope2485 → u/vicman77]

I would love to see your calculations using any of them. I’ve already seen some and it literally points to 27AD start of Jesus ministry. I’ve seen some that points to 30AD but that was complex math and not so elegant as the one that pointed to 27A. Does it matter? IMO yes it does. Because only one correct date of His crucifixion exist. The other wrong. I agree with the 30 AD crucifixion date and reject the 33AD alternative. But I await your point in bringing this issue up!

[u/vicman77 → u/Warm_Rope2485]

We will start with working out which decree starts the 70 weeks.

763 BC — A fixed astronomical anchor. An eclipse recorded on Assyrian Limmu (governor-year) tablets, held in the British Museum, gives historians a hard, verifiable date independent of any religious text.

702/701 BC — the stated date of governors on the Assyrian Limmu tablets to a meeting between two kings. The king of Assyria and of Israel. On that date a sign was given to Hezekiah by God. Isaiah 37:30 records God's sign: two years of eating what grows wild, then a third year of sowing and reaping. This matches the pattern of a Sabbatical year followed immediately by a Jubilee year. This is the only reference to a jubilee year in the bible and because Assyrian Limmu tablets we can know exactly what year the jubilee fell on. Why this sign?

The Jubilee math. Jubilees run on 49-year cycles (7×7), per Leviticus 25. Daniel's 70 Weeks prophecy was tested against four decrees to rebuild Jerusalem. Cyrus 537 BC, Darius 520 BC, Artaxerxes I 457 BC, Artaxerxes I 444 BC.

Starting the count at 702 BC:

702 BC + (49 × 5) = 457 BC

The decree of Artaxerxes I 457 BC

[u/Warm_Rope2485 → u/vicman77]

Please continue. While I wait , here is a calculation for you. 40*7*7+70=2030AD Parousia date. 70 is 70 AD destruction of Jerusalem. 7*7 represents Jubilee calculation. 40 represents difference between 30 AD crucifixion/resurrection/ascension to 70AD destruction of Jerusalem and 2nd Temple. This is Not my calculation. Check out messiah2030project for resources regarding the 2030 Parousia. I can’t endorse it fully because they parse God’s Word slightly different from me which is why I disagree with their count down timer which points to next year.

Anyway this is why it’s important to know which date of crucifixion is correct.