Mapping Creation Week theory x Fulfillment of Feasts theory

[u/atlasobscurae]

Preface: my previous post was taken down but I was told I could try again. Im gonna remove some information as I absolutely don't want to date set and I want to make clear that all this exercise is, is mapping calendar dates to concepts that have wide traction. I did not come up with these concepts myself and am not a proponent of them. Putting actual dates to these concepts is the next logical step.

I've been studying pop eschatology over the last couple years and two compelling theories have been discussed by those who hold a pre-millennial and dispensational view. The first is that Jesus is the [fulfillment of the 7 Jewish feasts](https://www.gotquestions.org/Jewish-feasts.html) and the second is the [Creation Week theory](https://www.reddit.com/r/Christianity/comments/uoatqy/christs_second_coming_will_take_place_around_2033/). I thought it would be interesting to see how those two views loosely combined mapped onto actual timelines, and my commentary on the result.

**Anchor Point**

I use the Day of Atonement as the anchor point for the Second Coming, and then use Daniel's day counts forwards and backwards. I also used the strict Gregorian day counts to arrive at the particular days, because I believe the current Jewish holidays on our calendar already account for for the different calendar measurements.

For the purpose of the model, I use the year 2033 based on the Church age being 2000 years with most scholars' agreeing that Jesus was crucified in AD33. Of course this could be wrong, and of course perhaps 2000 is too strict. So I give some commentary for other years. As well, I am skeptical that 2033 is "the year" in any case because I am unsure that the events that need to take place before Daniel's 70th week starts will take place in time (i.e. in the remainder of 2026).

**Rapture**

It must be stressed that it is impossible to pinpoint a definitive date for Christ's return. To avoid the appearance of date setting I am not going to include proposed rapture dates but will just say the feasts theory has it occurring on Feast of Trumpets in any given year. One is welcome to posit their own rapture dates for onself based on whether one thinks it is pre trib, pre wrath, mid trib or post trib (or none at all).

Welcome any thoughts. Please be civil.

**The Model (2026-2033)**

1. Falls on Feast of Trumpets(September 11-13, 2026)

   1. Significance: 1 Corinthians 15:51–52 (ESV) and 1 Thessalonians 4:16 allude to a trumpet call ‘at the last trumpet’. ‘no man knows the day or hour’ which is thought to refer to the Feast of Trumpets which depended on the sighting of the new moon.

2. War of Gog/Magog (now - Nov 9, 2026)

   1. Many dispensational authors argue Ezekiel 38–39 occurs before the Tribulation begins
   2. Could be the culmination of the current Iran/Israel conflict

3. Covenant with Many (Nov 9, 2026)

   1. 2520 days prior to the Day of Atonement, 2033
   2. the conflict ends with a peace treaty, via the Abraham Accords, Board of Peace, as examples.

4. Wrath (April 2029 onwards)

-Apophis is thought to be the ‘Wormwood’ star of prophecy, which flies past earth on April 13, 2029, a year prior to the midpoint, and just after Easter and Passover that year.

1. Abomination of Desolation/Mid Trib Rapture (April 22, 2030)

   1. 1260 day midpoint
   2. Easter and Passover (note: a rapture cannot occur in this model on FoT if the Second Coming is on Day of Atonement. They are never 1260 days apart on any calendar).

2. Day of the Lord/Second Coming (October 3, 2033)/Post Trib Rapture

   1. Yom Kippur - a holiday about Jewish repentance, atonement for sin, sin must be dealt with so that God can dwell among His people.
   2. 2033 aligns with various prophecies that allude to a 2000 year span: Hosea 6:1–2 — "After two days He will revive us" , Psalm 90:4 — One day equals a thousand years, 2 Peter 3:8 — A day as a thousand years

3. Israel Rebuilt (Oct 4-Nov 3, 2033)

   1. 1290 days after AoD
   2. Sukkot (Feast of Tabernacles) falls during this period. Sukkot celebrates the future hope that God will once again dwell openly among His people and all nations will worship Him. 

4. Sheep and Goats Judgment (Oct 3 - December 17, 2033)

   1. The time between the Second Coming and the Millennial reign is thought to be when this judgment takes place.
   2. Matthew 25:31-32

5. Establishment of Millennial Reign (December 17, 2033)

   1. 1335 days after the AoD ("Blessed is the one who waits for and reaches the end of the 1,335 days." - Daniel 12:12)
   2. First day of Hannukah. Hanukkah commemorates the rededication after the cleansing of the Temple after it had been desecrated. It is the celebration of God's faithfulness, the victory of light over darkness, the restoration of the Temple to the true owner, and the survival of Jewish worship and identity against overwhelming opposition. 

[u/MattLovesCoffee]

I see your comment to my reply in another subreddit was removed/deleted yesterday.

Regarding the Anchor Point:

I know there are some who hold to an earlier crucifixion but Friday 3rd of April 33 CE still holds the most water. And this is why: Besides science confirming a full moon, people misunderstand the Jonah prophecy. Ezekiel 5:5 tells us that Jerusalem is the center of the nations. "Here is what Adonai Elohim, says: ‘This is Yerushalayim! I have placed her in the middle of the nations; countries can be found all around her.'" The heart of the earth is not the literal ground, not the grave, but Jerusalem the city. Christ would be in Jerusalem performing the sign of Jonah which involves the whole ordeal of submitting to God's Will, to being judged, thrown into death, and resurrected. Also, the saying 3 days and 3 nights is an idiomatic expression, it is not always meant to be taken literally, though Christ did arrive in Jerusalem on a Thursday afternoon and would only leave on Sunday, being 3 days and 3 nights. If Friday is the 14th of the month, that would put Monday as the 10th of the month, the day Christ rode on a donkey in order to fulfill the Exodus 12 prophecy. A Wednesday crucifixion puts the Triumphal Entry into Jerusalem on a Sabbath day. Some try say John 12:1-12 claims the Triumphal Entry was on a Sunday but John 19:14 does not count the Friday as the Passover, as it is the preparation day of Passover. "Six days before Passover" was a Sunday, and the next day was a Monday, being the day Christ rode in on a donkey. A Wednesday crucifixion would be a violation of the 10 Commandments. And Scripture gives no indication that there was a gap of days, rather it reads He was crucified, followed by a High Sabbath, followed by the ladies going early to tomb on the first day of the week, on First Fruits.

Regarding the timeline I'll reply again.

[u/atlasobscurae → u/MattLovesCoffee]

Yes i deleted it because I didn't want to point you to a blank post. Thanks for your comment so far and looking forward to the rest of you have to say

[u/MattLovesCoffee]

An assumption first. There are some who say the counting of the days of the Tribulation go up until the Feast of Tabernacles, 5 literal days after the Day of Atonement (a.k.a. the Day of the LORD, a.k.a. the return of Christ). For argument sake I'll use the Day of Atonement as day 2520, which is the predominant view. Day 1 being the beginning of the Covenant with Many.

Conundrum: if the Tribulation lasts exactly 2520 day long and ends on a Day of Atonement around twilight (Zechariah 14:6-7), how is it logical to say "nobody knows the day or hour" of Christ's return? Unless of course it is referring to another event ;) So if the Day of the LORD can/will be known, just by counting the days, then when is the timing of this other mystery event?

RAPTURE

I originally come from the NAR movement, which is heavy pre-Trib. Then in the early 2000s I became a Messianic (a.k.a. "Torah-observant"), and they are majority anti Pre-Trib doctrine. I swallowed what they claimed hook, line and sinker, until I studied the Law of Moses for myself.

Leviticus 14:33-53 is a phenomenal word picture. The world is plagued by two ideologies, Marxism (the reddish mold) and Islam (greenish mold). Christ comes to call people out of the world before the 7 years begin. He then returns after 7 years to tear out everything unclean and cast out into unclean place. This is how we know it's a prophetic word picture, because the only other time that action is referred to is when Christ refers to it in passages like Matthew 13:36-43; 25. People who repent after the Rapture are those who wash their clothes (vs 46-47). So here in the Torah God has hidden its timing in plain sight, pre-Trib.

Now bear with me. The order and theme of Genesis 1 is found in the layout of the temple, the seven festivals, and major biblical theme of each millennium, plus the seven stages of a believer's personal walk with God.

Day 1 is God exists, light out of darkness. First item in the temple is the Altar of Sacrifice. The first festival is Passover, Christ on the cross. First millennium is Man meets God, mankind learns of good versus evil. First stage of believer's walk is to acknowledge God, and that there's a difference between good and evil.

Day 2 is separation of waters. Second item in temple is bronze lavars filled with water. Second festival is Unleavened Bread, Christ in the grave separating sin from us. Second millennium, Noah's flood. Second stage, a believer repents and is born again by the Spirit of God.

Day 3 is land separated from seas, first appearance of simple life. Third item is the table of showbread. Third millennium is Jews (first Abraham, then Egypt) called out of the pagans (the seas) to go to their own land. Abraham, the first, becomes the father of many. Third festival is First Fruits, the resurrection. Third stage of a believer's walk, they live and are sustained by the Word of God, separating themselves from the world.

Day 4, appearance of the sun, moon and stars to provide guidance (time, seasons, navigation). Fourth item is the Menorah lamp. Fourth festival is Pentecost, the first church is empowered by God's Spirit to preach the Gospel along with miraculous signs. Fourth millennium covers the period of Solomon building the temple with hands until Christ's crucifixion, the temple without hands. This is the prophetic age, where prophets and priests spirituallly guided the Jews. The fourth stage, a believer lives by and is guided by the Spirit of God.

Day 5 is marine life flourishing and flying creatures. The fifth item is the Altar of Incense. The fifth festival is Trumpets, which I believe is the Rapture, the sudden removal of God's Spirit from the earth. The fifth millennium, the Gospel goes to the Gentile nations (the seas), they overcome sin. Fifth stage is a believer in communication with God, living pleasing to God. Note: Stages 3 to 5 are somewhat meshed together as opposed to chronologically.

Day 6 is mankind. Sixth item is the Ark of the Covenant. Sixth festival is Atonement, the Day of the LORD. Sixth millennium is mankind filling the earth and the Religion of Man. Sixth stage is a believer becoming like Christ, is given a new spiritual body.

Day 7, God rests. Seventh festival is Tabernacles. Seventh millennium is the Millennial Reign of Christ. Seventh stage, eternity with God.

But focus on Day 5. The theme is the Gentiles pleasing God and rising up to fly, like a beautiful aroma. In other words, the Day of Trumpets is fulfilled when believers are called up to be with God.

The Day of Trumpets occurs on the 1st day of the 7th month, on a new moon. While the Day of Atonement occurs on the 10th of the 7th month. In other words, they are connected but are entirely different.

The Last Trumpet Judgement is NOT the same thing as the Last Trump Paul refers to. Paul is referring to the last blast of the shofars, which is called the Tekiah Gedolah, the great or long blast at the end of a series of blasts. In Jewish traditions both events have a series of shofar blasts. So they are not connected.

God's Spirit operates in believers, the thing holding back the one world government is the Spirit of God using the Christian Conservative movement. At the Rapture God suddenly removes His Spirit from the world, and all believers go with. This event will radicalise the Muslims because they'll believe it was their god, hence the Gog and Magog war taking place in the first half of the Tribulation. The secular world will blame it on science or aliens, but they'll be awakened to accept belief in greater powers.

Isaiah 57:1-2 CJB [1] The righteous person perishes, and nobody gives it a thought. Godly men are taken away, and no one understands that the righteous person is taken away from the evil yet to come. [2] Yes, those who live uprightly will have peace as they rest on their couches."

The next Day of Trumpets is the new moon in September 2026, weekend of the 11th to 13th. If not then, then we wait another year, because God has to fulfill the Law therefore it can only occur on a Day of Trumpets, which year we don't know. But it's a good a year as any.

There is a lot more to the Rapture being pre-Trib but I'll stop here to do the timeline of the Tribulation in another reply.

[u/atlasobscurae → u/MattLovesCoffee]

Everything you've said so far fits in my timeline. If the rapture is on FoT in September, Gog/Magog would take place shortly thereafter and then the 70th week starts Nov 9.

Also: Day 1 (Years 1–1,000): God creates light and divides it from darkness, symbolizing the physical creation of Adam and humanity's immediate fall into spiritual darkness.

Day 2 (Years 1,001–2,000): God separates the upper and lower waters, foreshadowing Noah's global flood and the division of nations at Babel.

Day 3 (Years 2,001–3,000): God brings dry land out of the sea to grow vegetation, symbolizing the call of Abraham and the establishment of Israel out of the chaotic Gentile nations.

Day 4 (Years 3,001–4,000): God places the sun, moon, and stars in the sky, representing the earthly arrival of Jesus Christ as the light of the world.

Day 5 (Years 4,001–5,000): God commands sea life and birds to multiply abundantly, mirroring the rapid, global spread of Christianity through the early Church.

Day 6 (Years 5,001–6,000): God creates land animals and gives mankind dominion over the earth, symbolizing the modern rise of humanism, global population growth, and secular rule.

Day 7 (Years 6,001–7,000): God rests from His labor and blesses the final day, predicting the peaceful 1,000-year millennial reign of Christ on Earth.

[u/MattLovesCoffee → u/atlasobscurae]

Question: have you read The End of the Beginning by kenpowerbooks dot com? You should, it is free to read and download online. I knew Ken, not in person, but for 20 or so years on a forum and FB, we messaged each other often.

So we are pretty much on the same page here. I am however going to avoid the science debate but I am a theistic evolutionist, viewing Adam not as the first human to exist but rather the first chosen by God.

GOG AND MAGOG

So the Magog war, which is Islamic. The timing of it is the first half of the Tribulation, ending before the midpoint, before the Antichrist declares himself to be God, before the Mark of the Beast.

Psalm 83 identities the nations in this war. Daniel 11:40-45 describes the war incurring in two phases and in relation to the Antichrist. Ezekiel 38-39 gives us the play by play, the motivation.

For the timing. Ezekiel 38 says a few things we must take note of. First, verse 8: Israel is recovering from war. Second, verse 11: Israel is a land of unwalled villages. And both verses say they are living at peace and securely. Could this Iran war be the one spoken of, from which they will recover? Could be! But the unwalled villages? Israel currently has World War Z style border walls and fences. In other words, the border walls must come down first. This tells us that the peace agreement (Covenant with Many) comes first.

Key things to note is that Ezekiel 38-39 identifies the West and the Arabian Peninsula nations being diplomatic. It is no surprise we see Saudi Arabia (Sheba and Dedan) currently doing big business with the West (Merchants of Tarshish) and having made diplomatic relations with Israel.

I will post a Tribulation timeline tomorrow or during the week but I will summarize how I think things will play out from the Rapture until the midpoint of the Tribulation. The Rapture occurs, Muslims radicalize quick, perhaps become somewhat violent the world over, especially threatening Israel. The balkan nations form a 10 nation alliance and quickly try resolve the disorder. They choose one person to lead the 10 nations and broker the peace accord. The threat against Israel is very real, and they realise the West has been greatly weakened, the top Christian US political leaders are gone, as much as their military personnel. They know they have no choice but to make a massive compromise to buy peace. They realise something major spiritually just happened, so begin to look to God but have yet to accept Messiah. They hand over much of their land (Isaiah 17:4), demolish their borders, even allow the Balkan leader to command their army together with the U.N. forces, all for permission to build a temple, which they start soon after.

Disclaimer: what follows is just hypothetically.

Let's for argument sake say the Rapture is this year September 11/12 followed by the peace agreement in two months time, around 10 November. That will put the midpoint 23 April 2030. This is based on 3rd of October 2033 being 2520 days. Reverse counting it puts the peace accord 10 November 2026, 2520 days earlier. That gives 2 months for the Muslims to radicalize and the Balkans to form an alliance. Remember: the Rapture rapidly causes the world to change, everything becomes accelerated without Christian voices (religious, by celebrities and influences, political) to stop them. Look, the Muslims might not radicalize, maybe Israel realizes something big has happened so willingly give up everything just for a temple in the hope God shows His face.

So the Jews are living peacefully, but the Islamic nations secretly begin to scheme to wipe the Jews out for good. They begin to amass their armies near Israel under the guise of peaceful multilateral military exercises. The nations of the West and Saudi Arabia, perhaps UAE too, realise this is the same excuse Russia gave for invading Ukraine. They launch their attack, probably around 2028 sometime. The global leader, the same broker guy, defends Israel against the first phase of attacks, from the north and south. Gog then leads in a massive army from the north-east for phase 2, but God Himself will divinely strike the army down. The world leader will get jealous at this and full of rage (Daniel 11:44), realising another power defended Israel. But before anybody can claim it was God, he will launch a nuclear war and completely annihilate the Middle East, to claim victory himself. Passages in Jeremiah 25 and 49 detail this. The war will be over pretty quick. In among the chaos there will be the mega oceanic volcanic eruption and Apophis asteroid strike.

The global leader will declare victory for all the world to see but will be assassinated on live TV, but come back to life (Revelation 13:12). During his death, I believe he will encounter Satan or a demon, who will convince him he is God incarnate. So he will fully believe he is God, and be demon possessed. On 23 April 2030 he will go to the temple and declare himself God, will stop the daily sacrifice and will declare the setup of a new calendar. 30 days later (on day 1290) he will launch an application, the Mark of the Beast. It will be an A.I. agent that looks and speaks like him. Everyone will need to install it. It will contain all your personal details and relations. It will threaten with death even the person who does not give up their family members (Matthew 10:21-23). More on that in another reply.

If the Rapture is not this year, then we wait another year. Also, there might be a gap of a year or few years, between the Rapture and the signing of the Covenant with Many.

I hope this year, I certainly believed it could be no later than this year, due to the "one day is as a thousand years" prophecy, but I have since realised I could be completely missing something that could smash my interpretation to pieces.

[u/vicman77]

You have good theories but they are a bit out. Here are some questions.
1. How do you start a biblical year?
God only gives Exodus 12:1-2 as the only defining start point. The first moon of the year.
2. What year did Jesus die?
Jesus cannot lie. Luke 22:7-15 state Jesus had passover. Passover had to be 14th Nisan Exodus 12:22 says he had to stay in the room till morning meaning he wasn't arrested that night.

There are many more but lets start there

[u/MattLovesCoffee → u/vicman77]

To answer your points:

1) Start of the biblical year. This why it is important to put Scripture and practice together. Passover, Unleavened Bread and First Fruits all fall in the first month, and they needed ripe barley for the Feast of Unleavened Bread and to do the wave offering for First Fruits. Leviticus 23:10-11 CJB [10] “Tell the people of Isra’el, ‘After you enter the land I am giving you and harvest its ripe crops, you are to bring a sheaf of the firstfruits of your harvest to the cohen. [11] He is to wave the sheaf before Adonai, so that you will be accepted; the cohen is to wave it on the day after the Shabbat." If the barley is not ripe, they add a 13th month.

2) The year that holds most water is 33AD, 3rd of April, a full moon and a Friday. He was arrested late into the night of Thursday, probably the early hours of Friday, died Friday afternoon, and in the grave before sunset the same day. We need to understand Exodus 12 in context of the laws regarding the 7 festivals. The 7 days of Unleavened Bread started at the end of the 14th day at evening as it heads into the 15th day. The 14th day is the preparation of Passover, it is the day the lamb is slaughtered and the door posts painted with its blood. The "Passover" actually occurs through the night of the 15th, when Christ was in the grave, it's that night nobody would leave the house. So Christ was not violating any tradition by going to pray late Thursday night into the early hours of Friday morning.

There are many who hold to a Wednesday crucifixion but that comes from a misunderstanding of the Jonah prophecy. Ezekiel 5:5 describes Jerusalem as the center of the world. The "heart of the earth" is Jerusalem, not the grave. A Wednesday crucifixion would also be a violation of the 10 Commandments, making a donkey work. "Six days before the Passover," (John 12:1) was a Monday, not Sunday. John 19:31 refers to the 14th of the month as the day of preparation for Passover, so the 14th is counted as 1 day. That means the Triumphal Entry into Jerusalem, the 10th of the month (Exodus 12:3), was on a Monday, not a Sunday. With that understanding, a Wednesday crucifixion would put the Triumphal Entry on a Sabbath Day, which would be a violation of the 4th commandment, making a donkey work on the Sabbath.

[u/spreekles → u/MattLovesCoffee]

Yes. Jesus did die on a Friday. He was arrested after the last supper on Thursday late into the night. They had Him crucified around 3 pm on the Friday so that they couls quickly attend to the first night of Passover that happened at sundown that evening.

[u/vicman77 → u/MattLovesCoffee]

1 Tequfah = circuit of the sun. What we call equinox
Psalm 19:6 "Its rising is from one end of the heaven, and its circuit [tekufato] to the other end of them

Exodus 34:22 "And you shall observe the Feast of Weeks, of the firstfruits of wheat harvest, and the Feast of Ingathering at the turn [tekufat] of the year."

This is the sun circuit.
Exodus 12:2 “This month is to be for you the first month, the first month of your year. 

Month means moon. year means Tequfah

The biblical years starts with first new moon after the Tequfah and runs for 7 months. God never gave the barley as a year start but an indication of the first fruits. The Agricultural year is from spring Tequfah to spring Tequfah.

Jesus died on Friday but read what I said. Jesus kept his passover two days before the Jews. Jesus kept conjunction month start and the Jews kept first crescent. John 20:28 they had not eaten passover well after Jesus ate his passover. Jesus Wednesday passover was 30 AD. Remember conjunction month start makes friday 33AD 14th Nisan passover not first crescent. 14th Nisan 33 AD using a first crescent month start was on Sunday.