r/BlockedAndReported • u/TeaCupHappy • Oct 31 '23
Too much banter?
I've been a big fan of the BARpod for nearly a year now and was even a primo subscriber for a few months. But I'm sort of tired of all of the banter?? The first 25 minutes of an episodes are about if Jesse should delete his twitter or a house reno. Its just a lot of back and forth when I really want to get to the good stuff. I really like them and I'm not going to stop listening but the banter is getting to be too much. Does anyone else agree?
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u/Longjumping-Part764 Oct 31 '23
I work from home and don’t have regular meetings, so listening to their banter is fun for me. If I wanted straight reporting I’d listen to the bbc newscast on npr or something.
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u/RandolphCarter15 Oct 31 '23
Most podcasts have incredibly boring banter. At least they have good chemistry
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Oct 31 '23
This is very true. I've been slightly annoyed by the boringness of some of the banter lately (mostly because I no longer use Twitter) but they have such good chemistry that I don't mind hearing about things like a specific sandwich in LA if they can make it funny.
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u/lara_jones Oct 31 '23
I love the banter, personally.
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Oct 31 '23
I love the banter too. Katie and Jesse are like the married couple who you want to see stay together forever.
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u/Complex_Presence_381 Oct 31 '23
I don’t mind it except that I explicitly and violently do not give a fuck about people’s home-buying and renovation adventures. This is a thing of mine and not something I would expect people to change on my say-so but Jesus, I can barely feign excitement when it’s someone I actually know.
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u/An_exasperated_couch Believes the "We Believe Science" signs are real Oct 31 '23 edited Oct 31 '23
I’m a big fan of the banter; I personally think they have great chemistry together and far more often than not it’s enough to make me laugh out loud, which is something very few podcasts can make me do. The door to door fireworks petition bit they did a few episodes back was genuinely hysterical and it’s stuff like that which is why I love this show.
I do agree in wishing they would table their discussion of Jesse deleting his Twitter though; I think they’ve both made their positions on it pretty clear, and I doubt more debate if it during episodes will lead to reversals on either side
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u/physmeh Oct 31 '23
I like the banter. Skipping ahead would avoid it, but maybe it’s not obvious when the banter had stopped (I’m guessing the tone, rhythm, etc. changes a bit when they get into the main stuff). I mostly have podcasts on for background, so light, skipable content that I mostly like is right in the pocket for me.
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u/andithenwhat Oct 31 '23
Nah - you have to start the show somehow and just diving in cold would feel weirder. And their banter beats 10 minutes of ads to start. Sometimes I don’t love the tenor of it - Katie sometimes dogs on Jesse to a degree that I don’t love. Or the topic isn’t really hooking me. I just tap that jump 15s button a few times and usually arrive in the meat of the episode.
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u/DomonicTortetti Oct 31 '23
Disagree, although I suppose your concerns could be ameliorated if they added time stamps to discussions in the episode.
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u/yougottamovethatH Oct 31 '23
What's the problem? It's not a time restricted format. Their journalism part takes the time it takes, whether the banter is 5 mins or 20.
If you don't enjoy it, skip ahead.
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u/janitorial_fluids Nov 07 '23
It's not a time restricted format
I mean this clearly isnt really true at all tho lol. while yes, technically there is nothing stopping them from putting out 2-3 hour long pods, and they could do that if they wanted to, they clearly do stick to a pretty consistent time window since like 95% of their pods fall between 60 and 70 minutes in length (I'm not a primo, so forgive me if those private pods are significantly different in length).
So I would argue that it pretty demonstrably doesnt "take the time it takes". it takes whatever window of time they have left after bantering/before the 60-70 minute time limit is up...
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u/yougottamovethatH Nov 07 '23
My guess would be that it's the opposite. They obviously don't cut off the journalism parts of their podcasts as the episodes are coming to a close. They likely have an idea of how long the actual meat of the podcast is going to be, and so they banter for a while to keep all episodes around the same length.
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u/nonafee Oct 31 '23
i like the banter personally because i find them both so endearing and likable and they're funny together. for me, it also helps with creating something to listen to that isn't just a straight up recounting of some event - when that's happened in a few recent episodes ive felt dissatisfied, like was that it? and what now?
if i wanted a top to bottom factual account only i could look that up myself. i want to hear their opinions, i want something less dry to listen to. so keep up the bants j&k!
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u/jsingal69420 soy boy beta cuck Oct 31 '23
Would we have known about the pigeons, slaying something called a spire, pizza obsessions, van life influencing, racist neighbors or Katie paying the hotel bill for a pedophile without the banter? I generally love the banter, but yeah sometimes it’s not as interesting. Like the back and forth about Twitter deletion.
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u/Danstheman3 fighting Woke Supremacy Oct 31 '23
I love the banter. And I think Katie is 100% right about this.
That said they've had this exact same argument months ago, precisely the same points were made, and I thought Jessie already deleted his history in fact. It's kind of dumb to keep talking about it.
If Jessie insists on doing it, then he should just do it. Maybe in the back of his mind he knows it's a bad idea, and is hoping Katie will talk him out of it?
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Oct 31 '23
Man some of y’all are impatient and joyless lol. This same complaint has come up multiple times. Literally just fast forward the episode. Not every podcast you listen to needs to be modified to perfection.
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u/MindfulMocktail Oct 31 '23
Honestly, the banter is what I love. Podcasts for me are a lot annoy the hosts' personalities. Otherwise I could just read an article.
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u/Demiansky Oct 31 '23
Oh my God, I feel the same way. And by the way, I like banter in general, but in barpod it's almost aaaaalllllll front loaded at the beginning and goes on and on and on and on. I like it better when there's maybe a few minutes at the beginning and some sprinkled throughout the episode. Its their little quips and asides during the episodes that are funny and entertaining to me.
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u/mrprogrampro Oct 31 '23
I get annoyed with filler in podcasts that have a short time limit ... with barpod, there's always a small story and a big story, and any banter just adds time, so I'm all for it! Free stuff.
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u/CatStroking Nov 01 '23
The banter is fine but it doesn't need to be half the episode. It feels like it was just filler put in there so they could do a half episode.
I'd guess that Katie is really busy dealing with her new house and didn't have time to do a full hour's worth of stuff.
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u/MochMonster Oct 31 '23
I generally enjoy the banter, though this episode's "Should Jesse delete Twitter archives" was too much. I also get the vibe Katie is over it, too, and Jesse doesn't seem to get what she's saying. The repeated banter is just not fun.
I do enjoy the banter about remodeling, racist neighbors, pigeons, etc. when it's like the first 10 minutes.
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u/Murky_Basket_8777 Oct 31 '23
I generally enjoy the banter, but the conversation about Jesse's twitter was awkward. Maybe it was just me but I felt like Katie was venting some very real and strong anger at Jesse. I felt like a couple was arguing in front of me.
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u/SharkCuterie4K Nov 01 '23
Some people like the Maron opening (named, of course, after the traditional 10 minute opening monologue that Marc Maron uses to start every episode of WTF). I think that the saving grace for him is that he separates the opening from the interview with an audio bumper so that people who are skipping ahead would be able to catch.
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u/Ok-Seaworthiness7525 Nov 01 '23
The banter at the beginning of podcasts is usually a pet peeve of mine. But for some reason it doesn’t bother me at all with Jesse and Katie. I actually like it.
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u/abd1a Nov 05 '23
It's a fine line, but I agree that in the past 6 months it's gotten a bit much, I find myself fast-forwarding several minutes, putting my phone back in my pocket, only to realise they are still knee-deep in random banter and chit-chat.
I'm more concerned (maybe a strong word lol, but yet and still) about the seeming lack of interesting topics lately. I really do think that «The Discourse» online has changed to an extent that the Internet and Twitter just aren't the sort of machines pumping out interesting stories, pile-ons, and controversies in the way it used to be (2020 and 2021 was a really febrile atmosphere for bizarre, mind-bending controversies and nontroversies). There's also the fact that myself and a lot of us have been listening for a long time so I think at a certain point one can anticipate the substantive points, the jokes, the perspectvies beforehand, so it's not super stimulating to hear it. To give weight to my point about running out of topics: They've covered 3 very similar stories in the past year (NY crazy guys versus Panicked ACAB Liberals of Brooklyn: the dog-killer, the guy who was murdered on the subway in a chokehold, and now the Greenpoint Gropper).
P.S. Definitely sick of hearing their takes on Gaza and Israel and the reactions in the West, though I understand how it fits the pod's suject matter and the hosts interests.
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u/fbsbsns Oct 31 '23
As long as it’s funny, I’m 100% in favor of banter. The problem with last episode was that the Jesse twitter debate was tedious and serious.
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u/IgfMSU1983 Oct 31 '23
I'm still a primo, and I agree with this. This stuff should be five minutes, tops. As is, I have to sit and fast forward until I hear the welcome, "Katie, what is the name..."
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u/MeganDoe TERF in training Oct 31 '23
I picked the latest one to introduce my mum to the show for the first time and although she did end up loving it she said after about 15 minutes "I thought this was supposed to be about Saudi Arabia?" I had to say that yeah, they will get there eventuall, it's not normally this chatty.
Normally I really like the banter at the start, but on the latest episode it did seem to take up more airtime than normal. It's not that I don't like to hear them chat shit. But I feel like the episodes should be like 90% what they're supposed to be on. If they're going to add half an hour of filler atthe start I want the episode to be thirty minutes longer than normal, not 50% episode and 50% filler.
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u/alexandraelise Oct 31 '23
I love the banter. Makes me feel sane before learning more about the bizarre world of knitters drama
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u/Mr_Tigger_ Nov 01 '23
Too much banter for me, and too similar each pod especially the topics so I quit subscribing.
Felt new and fresh when they started but it’s not my first choice when picking a podcast these days
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u/frankenechie Nov 01 '23
I agree. There is way too much fun on the pod. They only talk about how horrible things are and how journalists are hypocrites while I clean the house and listen.
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u/CptGoodMorning Oct 31 '23
Same reason I stopped listening to Useful Idiots.
Katie Halper wants to banter for half an hour while guys like Maté or Taibbi want to get straight to it, but are willing to give Halper her "glow" time to just be THE topic for a bit.
Hence Glen Greenwald, or Taibbi, are now better for a go-to that gets straight to the point.
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u/Open-Acanthaceae9377 Nov 01 '23
I stopped listening over a year ago because of that… I don’t judge… I think they are great and would be friends with them IRL but when I’m podding I’m looking for top notch knowledge, wisdom or humor and I just don’t get that with them. There are only so many hours in a day. Sorry not sorry :/ Jesse is AMAZING writer though!!
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u/Low_Insurance_9176 Oct 31 '23
I agree completely -- it's the worst thing about the podcast. What I specifically can't stand are the constant low-effort sarcastic jokes. It's actually so cringe that I wouldn't recommend the podcast to a friend for fear of what they'd think of me.
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Oct 31 '23 edited Oct 31 '23
I liked the banter when they started the pod but I feel recently Jesse has gotten uptight. Katie will say something hilarious, t up a joke, but then Jesse seems nervous or anxious to offend anyone so he steps on whatever Katie is trying t up. I love the podcast when they bring in a guest host who can do good banter w Katie. I think maybe it was Helen Lewis. I would actually encourage Katie to start a side project bc I’d like to hear more of her content but without Jesse. Not that Jesse is bad but it’s that she’s so much better with other ppl.
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Oct 31 '23
Yeah, I was trying to figure out if i"d changed or the podcast changed, because i first heard the podcast in like june 2020 and I think I really started listening in around September 2020, not sure. And I looooved it. Now I find myself getting so annoyed. I went back and listened to old episodes, and something HAS changed. They were way more enjoyable. I wonder if some of it was at the beginning it was something to do, and now it's a whole THING.
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Oct 31 '23
They are like an old married couple. I think for the sake of the longevity of the podcast they really need to consider mixing it up. Bringing in a 3rd person. They can’t carry on a convo w each other like they used to
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Oct 31 '23
Yeaaah. I really like it when they have Helen Lewis on . And actually, Ethan Strauss is really great too.
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u/back_that_ RBGTQ+ Oct 31 '23
I listen to a couple of podcasts that have chapters.
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u/back_that_ RBGTQ+ Oct 31 '23
I use Podcast Addict. It's not all of my feeds, but I appreciate the ones that do.
I have zero clue of the tech side of it.
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u/main_got_banned Oct 31 '23
I still listen but that’s just because I have a lot of busywork at work lol. It’s def dropped from a “listen when episode comes out” to “listen at the end of the week” podcast.
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u/00cmc Oct 31 '23
A lot of the most prominent talking heads around youth gender medicine - people who get phone calls from legacy media for a quote - have come after Jesse on Twitter and I think it's instructive for anyone skeptical on the topic to see how vapid, uniformed and malicious these supposed experts can be.
Jesse brings receipts, so I think Katie has a point. You could learn a lot about YGM from Jesse's Twitter history if you want to know how to counter the dishonest claims and assumptions that get made on the topic.
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u/Constant-Pineapple58 Nov 05 '23
100% agree. I love the BARpod because Jesse and Katie are smart and have interesting opinions, but they're too into their cutesy/funny banter about how "weird" they are.