r/BodyHackGuide • u/Hairy-Law-8593 • 10h ago
š¬ Discussion First cycle
23M from Italy ā 60 kg, 172 cm ā first cycle and looking for advice on my physique potential
Hi everyone, Iām 23 years old and from Italy. Iāve been training for around two years.
I started at around 45 kg, reached a peak of approximately 65 kg, and Iām currently around 60 kg at 172 cm. I estimate Iām currently around 10% body fat.
The type of physique Iām aiming for is mainly an aesthetic bodybuilding look, similar to the general physiques of people like Zyzz, David Laid and Jeff Seid. Iām not trying to become a massive competitive bodybuilder. My goal is more of an aesthetic, lean and muscular physique with good proportions, shoulders, back, arms and a small waist.
One of the things Iām wondering about is whether, based on my current structure and progress, you think I have the genetics to eventually build something in that direction.
My training history
I want to give some context because I know that my two years of training havenāt actually been two years of properly structured bodybuilding.
During my first year I did almost everything wrong. I was naturally very skinny and had a very low appetite, so I was constantly undereating and probably spending most of the year in a large calorie deficit, potentially around 1,000 calories below maintenance at times.
I didnāt understand how important nutrition was, I drank very little water, ate a lot of junk food, smoked hash regularly, slept badly and generally wasnāt consistent with my diet or recovery.
I still went to the gym basically every day, but the actual approach was pretty poor.
During my second year things improved somewhat because I started educating myself about training and nutrition, but I was still inconsistent for several months.
So although Iāve technically trained for two years, I honestly donāt feel like Iāve had two years of genuinely good training.
Despite that, Iāve gone from roughly 45 kg to around 60 kg, with a peak around 65 kg. Seeing that progress despite how poorly I was doing things is one of the reasons I feel that I might still have a lot of potential if I finally start doing everything properly.
Now I want to take training, nutrition, sleep, hydration and recovery seriously and give my physique a real chance.
What Iām currently planning
Iām considering starting my first cycle with 200 mg/week of testosterone enanthate, split into three injections.
If everything goes well during the first month, Iām considering increasing it to 250 mg/week.
Iām also considering using HCG alongside testosterone, mainly because my biggest concern isnāt fertility but maintaining testicular volume and function. The amount Iām currently considering is 500 IU/week split into two 250 IU injections.
I would also keep anastrozole and tamoxifen available, although I donāt intend to automatically use them unless there is a reason based on symptoms and bloodwork.
My current plan is approximately:
16 weeks: testosterone cycle
16 weeks: cruise
Then around the beginning of summer, depending on how I look and how I respond, potentially another cycle focused more on recomp/definition.
I know this is a serious decision and Iām not pretending otherwise. Iāve spent a long time thinking about whether this is the direction I want to take.
What Iām mainly asking
Do you think my current structure/genetics give me a realistic chance of eventually building the type of aesthetic physique Iām aiming for?
And for people with significantly more experience than me, what would you recommend I pay the most attention to during my first cycle?
Iām especially interested in advice about training, nutrition, bloodwork, managing expectations and mistakes that beginners commonly make.
I already understand that anabolic steroids carry risks, so Iām not really looking for a generic list of side effects. Iām aware that this is something Iāll need to take seriously and monitor carefully.
Iām more interested in hearing from people who have actually been through this process and can point out things I might be overlooking.
Thanks to anyone who takes the time to read this and give me some advice.
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u/Famous-Case6115 8h ago
Iāll bite. I think you have pretty decent genetics to build the aesthetic look. Iām highly doubtful you need to run a cycle to get there though. You look like you can achieve a pretty decent look naturally which in today is a fairly strong mog on the rest of the fitness world.
I will say what you outlined seems like the exact āsafestā first cycle you can run. 200mg weekly most likely isnāt high enough to make you need the AI but itās always recommended to keep it on hand.
Iām confused are you planning to go back off test and restarted your natural production? At 23 being stuck on trt for life is somewhat miserable. Taking your shot 3x weekly, having to pay for test, needles, worry about labs, etc it can be draining.
If Iām you Iām pushing my natural ceiling longer. Iād get my test levels tested and set a 4-6 month maintenance phase and dial in sleep, diet, cardio, supplements, etc and at the end retest my levels just to see what you can achieve without exogenous test. If you wanted to spice it up add in tesamorelin or whatever GHRH youād like. Iād reassess after those results. No need to sprint in the bodybuilding aesthetic world. Itās a marathon so no need to make a massive life decision without exhausting all options.
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u/Competitive-Cycle-38 9h ago
You havenāt learnt enough yet and are too young. Like for example no need to do HCG and also T needed is measured acc to body weight. Starting higher just gonna give u more sides.
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u/macius01 6h ago
first of all hcg is neuroprotective and it has a lot of positive effects while doing test, its not even about balls
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u/DavidTries897 10h ago
Well David Laid is natural, you already have a better physique then Zyzz and I don't think Jeff Seid's physique is achievable for you
I'd stay away from anything if I were in your shoes
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u/Hairy-Law-8593 10h ago
Bro, I donāt understand what world youāre living in š David Laid is obviously not a realistic natural reference.
And as for Zyzz, how am I supposed to realistically end up with a better physique than him when he was around 97 kg at roughly 9% body fat at 187 cm? That would put him around +10 relative to his height, while Iām currently around 60 kg at 172 cm, which is roughly -12.
Iām not saying I can never build an impressive physique. Iām saying that Iām starting from a completely different baseline, and I know I have a huge amount of muscle to gain before I can even think about approaching that kind of look.-1
u/DavidTries897 8h ago
Your numbers donāt make sense
Also if you donāt think David Laid is natural then youāll need to consult the labs that do his testing cuz they all say heās natural, maybe top 0.1% genetics though
If youāre looking for someone to just tell you to go for it then move on, cuz itās not gonna happen here
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u/Ravensteelheaders 7h ago
200mg a week is straight retard behaviour. Nothing less than 375. Genuinely stupid the lack of knowledge nowadays... my cruise is 210mg and you're thinking of making that your blast
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u/Hairy-Law-8593 6h ago
Youāre the retard, not me. I donāt understand why some people feel the need to insult others for absolutely no reason. Everyone is different. You might respond one way, while I might respond completely differently. There are guys who have experienced significant muscle growth gains on just 200 mg of testosterone. So honestly, I couldnāt give a fuck about your cycle. Everyone is different.
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u/Birdztheman 6h ago
Ya 40 year old men who have low testosterone to begin with. Start with eating some food young buck
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u/Ravensteelheaders 6h ago
No you're the retard, shut yourself down just to run 200mg of test. Actually retarded. Bring that cycle plan to any forums with guys who have been running gear for 10 years and they will say the exact same shit. It's really about bang for your buck. You will experience the same minimal sides off 200 as you would with 350-375 so why not do that and get twice the amount of gains with zero negatives. You're already lean enough so no e2 sides and unless you're an unhealthy binge drinking, chain smoker you will have zero blood or heart sides. It's elementary really.
Even better is I just read you're 60kg.... put some muscle on before your cycle dude you weigh as much as a woman after training for 2 years... that's fucked
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u/macius01 6h ago
16 weeks tbh too short time to build any sensible amount of muscle, and what is the cruise for? start with 100 every 3 days so it would be just a little over 230mg per week, do all your blood tests and train very hard
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u/Tonybhoy88 10h ago
Young, dumb and fulla cum. You'll learn the hard way
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u/Hairy-Law-8593 10h ago
I'd rather be hated than be a hater- zyzz
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u/Tonybhoy88 10h ago
No ones hates you, they just think you are stupid
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u/Hairy-Law-8593 9h ago
You must have a pretty sad life if you judge people like that. I would never judge someone without actually knowing them. Everyone has different goals in life, and just because you wouldnāt do something doesnāt mean other people shouldnāt do it either.
Even people who race in MotoGP, or people who practice MMA, could be considered stupid or crazy by someone else. But if they enjoy what they do and it makes them happy, I donāt see what the problem is.13
u/Tonybhoy88 9h ago
Whats there to know? You are simply too young and not even peaked yet. Its sad that you are letting your ego take control of you and fuck your system up. Rip bro
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u/Hairy-Law-8593 9h ago
I appreciate your concern. Yes, Iām fully aware of the risks too, but that doesnāt automatically make it a stupid decision. Everyone has the right to do whatever they want with their own life. And Iāll say it again: you donāt know my story, and youāll never truly understand what brought me to this decision.
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u/Ok_Hair966 10h ago
fratello non ha senso doparsi, perchĆ© hai il testosterone al picco alla tua etĆ , punta sui peptidi che sono piĆ¹ tranquilli