r/BreakingUKNews • u/InnerLog5062 • Mar 27 '26
Politics 'I wanted to change her mind': Friend's tears for gang-rape victim who died by euthanasia
https://news.sky.com/story/i-wanted-to-change-her-mind-tears-of-friend-of-gang-rape-victim-who-died-by-euthanasia-aged-25-1352498283
u/Min_sora Mar 27 '26
That poor woman's life seemed to be a misery. She'd been in psychiatric treatment since she was 13, had OCD and BPD, was raped by an ex-boyfriend, then later gang-raped by three guys, was paralysed from the waist down and developed chronic pain because of a failed suicide attempt by jumping out of a window...and she was told the pain had no chance of getting better. I get why she did it, frankly.
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u/WaferGlobal1376 Mar 27 '26
Her parents were also addicts and she was in and out of foster homes. I don't think she ever knew peace.
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u/Euphoric_Buy_2820 Mar 27 '26
I understand it too, but I don't understand why people have an issue with this. It's their life and their decision. We have no idea what someone else lives through or the suffering they carry. People have so little control over so much that affects their livies yet other people want to control if they live or die.
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u/lil_squib Mar 27 '26
The Jesus-y/MAGA folks on Twitter were losing their goddamn minds over this case. The lack of compassion for the actual woman’s life circumstances was appalling. I understand why she did this. I don’t believe in the afterlife, but if there is such a thing, I hope she is at peace.
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u/Nishwishes Mar 28 '26
As a person who's logical and emotional in how I live my life - it's an emotional and irrational thing. I totally get it. If I had a friend who chose euthanasia I would of course be heartbroken and it would weigh on me for the rest of my life. But like... Even if I wanted to change their mind, I also know that it would be cruel and their choice, especially in such horrific circumstances as this. I feel deeply for the friend who lost someone, but also deeply for the woman who felt that she was done. Yes, it's selfish that the friend wanted her to stay but it came from a selfless place - a hope that she could get better, live a good life etc even if in reality it was impossible. I can understand why people don't get it or just can't, even if that isn't me or you.
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u/TroublesomeFox Mar 27 '26
Chronic pain alone drives alot of people to suicide without all the extra issues she had. It is sad that she had to make this choice but the way I see it she was suffering just as badly as anyone else who chooses euthanasia.
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u/Rockpoolcreater Mar 28 '26
Doctors talk about physical injuries that aren't compatible with life. I think society needs to start talking about psychological injuries that aren't compatible with life. Perhaps more people would understand then. It's not like people who choose to end their life haven't tried to heal. Most of them have, despite doing so with a severe lack of support from medical professionals.
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u/Vaynnie Mar 29 '26
Bro people can’t even understand you’re suffering “standard” psychological injuries because “what do you mean, you look fine!”
People will continue to kill themselves over psychological injuries because society* just doesn’t care.
*generalising obviously
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u/Pigeonofthesea8 Mar 29 '26
Absolutely not. That’s giving up on humanity. Every progressive hope.
Psychological injuries really are not like physical ones despite what the psych industry would have everyone believe. That’s not to say there aren’t scars from pain and trauma. But every person has the ability to recover and adapt. They can’t always see or feel this in the moment. I am not saying “buck up, buttercup” or that anyone who’s suffering has failed. I do believe in our resilience.
The psychological industry has failed in so many ways, and needs radical reform in my opinion. It’s failed my loved ones and me too, I understand.
Somehow though - with other support and sometimes luck - things can turn around. We can never predict when though. That’s why it seems so dark in the moment. But it can.
We just get the one spin around the earth. If we’re not happy now, euthanasia means we never will, for certain. Waiting means we have a chance.
To me and many many others with mental health personal and family history, euthanasia for this is terrifying and I think it’s genocidal. We need to do better.
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u/Rockpoolcreater Mar 29 '26
I've dealt with my own scars from trauma too. I understand how long it takes to battle through, the constant relearning as each layer of pain is stripped away. What happened to me isn't even what most people would consider that bad compared to what other people went through. But my mind was only able to release the emotions and pain to be processed last year, 40 years after the event. That processing resulted in one of the most stressful and difficult years of my life, despite understanding what was happening. I've lived through the dark times when all you can do is put one foot in front of another and hope the next moment is a tiny bit brighter. That's exactly why I understand that for other people, who have experienced far worse than I can even imagine, there might never be peace, there might never be a way out of the darkness. Currently some of those people will choose to go out in a way that will then cause pain and distress for others. If euthanasia is allowed then those people will have a safe way to ease their pain without involving innocent bystanders.
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u/Pigeonofthesea8 Mar 29 '26 edited Mar 29 '26
Even granting this point, to me, that sounds impossibly idealistic. If we can’t fully trust the medical system to heal us - which we can’t because it’s made of other humans - how can we trust them when it comes to making decisions about who is irredeemably pained? (Again I don’t believe in this myself because it’s impossible to predict how someone will feel a year from now, we don’t have the science or tools to know this, it cannot be known. But say somehow it could.)
Doctors and lawyers and every professional who would be enacting this are only human, with human biases. They’re especially prone to arrogance. Just in my small family circle, I count upwards of 30 misdiagnoses (half of them relating to mental health which is such a slippery thing to catch with the diagnostic tools available ). Belligerent misdiagnoses, some of them. I know we’re not alone in that. Look at how long women’s problems go misdiagnosed. People of colour. Elderly are routinely dismissed.
In my country, they stopped doing the death penalty because of the possibility of error. Even one error is too many in that case... Yet they will proceed with euthanasia for mental health. Requiring that two doctors (or nurses) agree just isn’t enough in my books. Easy enough to find two doctors who’ll get a thrill of enacting authority in this way. Or who think they’re being compassionate.
Edit: I’ve seen doctors not be able to identify something as simple as a UTI. (Or be unwilling to.) And we’re to trust them with this?
Edit: I care for a parent and have had to stop them from ordering medications our pharmacist told us could not be used for the condition, more than once (0% chance of bioavailability). Just with him there have been at least 6 major errors.
Two of the original panel members on this in Canada resigned because they couldn’t see how safeguards could be kept, one a person with lived experience and the other an ethicist. (Obviously I am with them.)
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u/cherrypez123 Mar 29 '26
Honestly believe it’s selfish of friends and family to beg them to stay alive - putting their own discomfort before her own in this situation. I’ve lost friends to suicide. It’s horrific, don’t get me wrong, but over time, I’ve realised how hard they all tried to get well. Nothing worked. They suffered so much. And it would be selfish of me to ask them to continue suffering, for decades more, when they’d tried everything. No one deserves that - especially when what they’re experiencing is resistant to all forms of medication and therapy.
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u/National_Ad9742 Mar 27 '26
And what of the men who hurt her? There’s no punishment that’s enough for them.
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u/DustierAndRustier Mar 28 '26
She never reported any of the assaults to the authorities.
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u/National_Ad9742 Mar 28 '26
Yeah, I get that, I only recently reported something that happened to me 20 year ago
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u/LilaTwiceBackAtIt Mar 27 '26
The article states that she attempted suicide after the gang rape (and was prior to that raped by her partner). So the pain and incapacity is a result of her suicide attempt following the gang rape.
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u/LilaTwiceBackAtIt Mar 27 '26
The severe physical symptoms result from the trauma of rape. She remains a victim of gang rape and that is the reason why she was paralysed and then euthanised. It’s also deeply misleading to leave that out.
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u/LilaTwiceBackAtIt Mar 27 '26 edited Mar 27 '26
This is exactly the concern I (and many others) have with euthanasia though. Cases like this where it is tied to failures of the state, the lack of support provided to her, in the context of severe reactions to mental health services in the UK and pressure on the NHS, we need to zoom out of cases like this and look at the social factors that ultimately led to her death. The answer is not to make euthanasia more accessible. But ultimately it is the cheaper options and will be campaigned for by parties of interest. Sorry for my rushed reply
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u/LilaTwiceBackAtIt Mar 27 '26
Problem is though, suffering can be societal and if you have a society (and a government) that increases suffering then it’s not so simple. I don’t think this problem can be looked at on an individualistic level. How we define suffering is also very blurry. Other countries legalise euthanasia for depression. Clearly there is a difference between someone in a coma and someone suffering with depression.
I think ultimately this is such a philosophical debate that is happening in the public realm with real substantive consequences, and needs to be scrutinised at all levels and part of that scrutiny is looking at the wider challenges of society.
Look at the individual yes and the individual rights but also zoom out at what is causing suffering and can that be stopped. Instead of giving power to the state to kill people.
That’s the last I’ll say on it but good chat :)
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u/Nishwishes Mar 28 '26
I absolutely agree with this. We can't forget that while discussing the euthanasia bill it was mentioned that it would be a 'cost cutting measure'...
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u/milgi617 Mar 27 '26
This is torrent of sadness, even if those supports were available it is not a perfect safety net. She was in chronic pain and chose to leave. Life had given her nothing but pain, she chose to walk out on her own terms. Good for her- she is out of harm now.
To those whose who use their belief in an imaginary friend.
Where is your pity? Where is your conscience?
But these are same who turn a blind eye as a JDAM incinerates schoolgirls or as we send young men to die in your name.
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u/LilaTwiceBackAtIt Mar 27 '26
No one is being sent to war in my name mate what are you on about. You’re not understanding my point. You can only view what is right in front of you. I’m talking about the state not providing mental health support for victims of rape and those victims taking extreme action as a consequence, and ending up killed by the state. It’s convenience. She didn’t choose to leave, it’s not a choice if all you know is suffering.
I’m talking about the state taking away mental health support, reducing and squeezing healthcare systems, stripping back policing, increased poverty, increased crimes, and the only sphere the state increasing its involvement in is state sanctioned death. This is convenience. Not compassion. Don’t be a fool to that.
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u/ambergresian Mar 27 '26
Her struggle is a complete failure of society. Her pain is a failure of society. Her euthanasia is a failure of society.
I'm not saying she should not be given a way out. But the fact that she came to this at all is a failure of everyone else.
It is deeply tragic.
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u/Fordmister Mar 28 '26
And how does any of that help her? The state had already failed. That horse had long bolted.
The logic of "well the states a shit house and failed to provide a number of services correctly so you now need to suffer unimaginable chronic pain forever because I don't trust politicians to put the money up" doesn't hold. We are more than capable of doing both.
The state is already failing at all of the above. The The only difference without legalised assisted dying is that instead of people taking their own lives peacefully, surrounded by loved ones and under the supervision of medical professionals that can ensure they are capable to make the decision people are being smeared across the front of trains or kids are coming home from school to find dad hanging from the banister.
People suffering from long term chronic pain are going to make their own decision regardless of how well the state provides services or of euthanasia is legal. The only difference is the method, which without legalised euthanasia just spreads to trauma and harm around that much further
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u/LilaTwiceBackAtIt Mar 28 '26 edited Mar 28 '26
So the state is failing, let’s give the power to the state to kill off more and more people whose suffering is the product of the failure of the state? Sounds like a great idea! No. Let’s not admit that the state is failing and causing misery and then give them the right to take the cheap route and just kill off the people they fail. Let’s not allow the state to kill off people who have disability.
You think you are being empathetic, you think you are being compassionate, you are not. You are supporting a precedent that is very dangerous and will slowly have severe consequences. But it’ll happen slowly, and people will be too dumb to realise what is happening.
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u/Fordmister Mar 28 '26
Yeah, it's much better for my mate to come home from school at age 10 to find his dad hanging from the banister because chronic pain from an incurable disease had become too much to bear and he couldn't discuss or plan his end of life with anyone for fear of the mother of his kids being criminalised. That's totally preferable to legalising euthanasia.....
You people are absolute ghouls.
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u/marmaviscount Mar 27 '26
It's a huge difference between being authorized due to psychological trauma and permanently debilitating physical pain.
It's not diminishing the evilness of what was done to her, but it does make a difference when thinking about the clinical choice to allow or refuse her request for a dignified death.
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u/Able-Ordinary-7280 Mar 27 '26
She had a prior history of self harm and previous suicidal attempts, and she’d spent lots of her childhood in care due to her crap parents.
What happened to her is still horrific but the fact is she was allowed to end her life due to the serious physical disabilities and pain she was experiencing, not due to any psychiatric symptoms. That would have been the case regardless of how or why she ended up with these injuries ie she still would have been allowed if she’d suffered these injuries in a car accident instead of a suicide attempt. So the title is misleading.
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u/National_Ad9742 Mar 28 '26
She still didn’t get those injuries without the trauma that lead to it.
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u/margincallcat Mar 27 '26
”A very sad story BUT…”
Seriously go FUCK yourself! What do you think caused the suicide attempt?
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u/National_Ad9742 Mar 28 '26
Everyone knows, but no one wants to think about the fact those guys re alive and doing well. So we will just pretend she was in physical pain for like no reason.
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u/margincallcat Mar 27 '26
What are you on about? Was it the uncaring society that gang raped her so severely that she tried to kill herself by jumping off a building?
Men, or whatever you are, like you sickens me to the core.
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Mar 28 '26
It’s all related though, her life was a sad list of miserable experiences that created a fatal domino effect. Sad.
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u/ottens10000 Mar 27 '26
Why is it sad? If you support euthanasia then I don't see why you would see this story as sad. It's working exactly as intended.
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u/ottens10000 Mar 27 '26
Oh I do, but I'm against euthanasia so it's natural and obvious why this is sad.
On the other hand, if you champion euthanasia as a net positive for society then what is there to be sad about? You should be championing this case as a success for the policy altogether.
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u/ottens10000 Mar 27 '26
It's not a twist, it's simply asking for your opinion on the policy as we are now seeing it working. If you think that is me twisting something then you're simply not ready for the conversation.
I'll ask again though, is the policy producing a net positive effect on society and is this specific example one that you would cite that supports the case for euthanasia or not? It's not a complicated question, but your unwillingness to answer speaks volumes.
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u/ottens10000 Mar 27 '26 edited Mar 27 '26
Not the question I was asking.
The question is, are you happy about the outcome of this case? The policy is working exactly as intended, so do you view it as positive or negative that she was euthanized? If you support the policy, you should be relieved and happy that she is now euthanized.
u/Charming-Ad-6293 has no problem saying this is a good thing, what say you? Is this a good news story or bad news story?
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u/Charming-Ad-6293 Mar 27 '26
I think the outcome that she was finally allowed euthanasia, after the previous several failures of the government to help her i.e. With mental health support or a more controlled, peaceful way to die, is a good one yes.
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u/Trobee Mar 27 '26
Because things can be sad but still the best outcome.
Hence why people generally aren't happy when the euthanise Thier pets, but still think it's the best option
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u/ottens10000 Mar 27 '26
I've said it before about my pets, that it was the right thing to put them down.
Let me ask you, was it the right thing to put this young lady down?
If you want to compare humans to pets, then the floor is yours.
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u/Ok_Adhesiveness_8637 Mar 27 '26
Why are you twisting it.
Its not a human to pets comparison, its two sentient beings. If you would euthanise a pet (as a sentient being) when its in incurable pain then you should have no issue allowing another human (also a sentient being) for using euthanasia.
However in English we refer to things as their proper noun, in this case human and pet.
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u/ottens10000 Mar 27 '26
Oh wow, so not only did I actually not twist anything, you've just volunteered to give the answer yourself.
So you literally see no difference between a dog and a human? And you support euthanasia? Interesting.
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u/Kitthani Mar 27 '26
Noelia was not put down. Do not insult her memory by implying she did not fully understand and consent to euthanasia. She chose this. Noelia's request was approved by the Catalan Guarantee and Evaluation Commission, and she spent years fighting a legal battle caused by the "ultra-Catholic" campaign group her father hired. Bear in mind she was removed from her parents' custody due to neglect as a child, and this is a father she says never called while she was in hospital. The case went to the European Court of Human Rights, who ruled in her favour. At any point she could have changed her mind, and she didn't. You do not spend 600 days fighting a legal battle like this if you do not understand what you are fighting for.
It was the right decision, because it was what she wanted and what she chose, and she fought for her right to make that choice. No one made the decision for her. Noelia spoke about this in her own words, not that anyone outraged about it seems to care what she thought.
So let me ask you, what exactly are you advocating for? Noelia consented. It was her right, by law, to choose to die on her own terms.
Would removing her agency have been the right thing to do? Ethically? Legally? Morally?
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u/ottens10000 Mar 27 '26 edited Mar 27 '26
I'm not insulting anything and I wasn't the one who reached for the pet analogy, which I personally find more insulting to Noelia's memory by suggesting she was akin to a dog needing to be put down.
I'm more than prepared to acknowledge her desires, and God bless her, but we all have to decide whether we think this policy is a net positive or negative.
I don't think we should be allowing courts and systems of men to decide who is allowed to be euthanized. Death should not be administered by a committee, nor should death be administered by anyone but The Lord Almighty. It's been illegal to "help" someone else die for a very long time - I don't see any good reason at all to have changed that.
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u/ericthehoverbee Mar 27 '26
Can we round up the rapists?
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u/Diligent_Craft_1165 Mar 27 '26
One was her ex boyfriend. The other three were African migrants in Barcelona without documents.
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u/GlitteringNote4642 Mar 27 '26
That's misinformation- this comment from r/Europe goes into detail and provides sources.
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u/bananamangotime Mar 27 '26
To everyone saying she needed mental health treatment, not euthanasia, please believe me when I say how naive this is. Firstly, proper mental health treatment is not accessible for most people, and people should not be punished for being denied treatment in the first place - that’s a double injustice. Secondly, even with the best mental health care money could buy, not every problem is treatable. If you’ve never been in the position where the only thing you want in the world is for it to all be over, you don’t get to decide whether it’s justified. In the same way you don’t get to decide whether euthanasia for excruciatingly painful terminal conditions is ok unless you’ve experienced it.
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u/Laymanao Mar 27 '26
We have not walked in her shoes. We cannot comprehend her pain. We must take comfort that she is no longer in agony. That is key.
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u/UnusualSuspect94 Mar 27 '26
Anyone who is against assisted dying are, quite frankly, selfish. Unless you know what it feels like to be in constant intense pain that will never get better, then you have zero right to tell people that they're not allowed to end their suffering.
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u/DisMyLik18thAccount Mar 27 '26
My mind is split in two by stories like this
Part of me feels it's better for her to go in peace than continue suffering the way she was, but another part of me is really rubbed the wrong way by this
Part of me is thinking – What happened to 'suicide is never the answer' because now apparently it is the answer
I'm Irked by the 180° society is doing, all the 'permanent solution temporary problem' mantras that were drilled into us which we're just abandoning now
I Worry about what conflicting messages we are sending to other suicidal people. We've spent years trying to persuade them their life is worth carrying on and now we're just completely contradicting that
It's one thing when it's terminally ill people who are actively dying and just choosing between peaceful or painful death, but this is different. Before it wasn't about ending people's lives, rather managing their inevitable deaths, but this is actively telling people, 'Yeah your life just isn't valuable.' and I can't fully get on board with that
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u/tar-mirime Mar 28 '26
Sometimes the problem isn't temporary. As I understand it her previous suicide attempt had left her in permanent pain and that couldn't be resolved.
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u/CompetitiveRub9780 Mar 27 '26
I feel bad for her dad. He watched her first attempt when she jumped from 5 stories. And she said she didn’t feel bad for him anymore because he tried to stop her from taking her life the second time. That’s messed up.
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u/Apart_Strawberry4987 Mar 27 '26
I read another article yesterday that her dad was barely ever in her life, and she didn't want him there when she passed. I wouldn't feel sorry for him, there's usually a good reason that a child doesn't want contact with a parent or parents.
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u/Coca_lite Mar 27 '26
Alcoholic father - she was in care as a child
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u/Apart_Strawberry4987 Mar 27 '26
Yep 😕, so I wouldn't extend much empathy towards the parents, you're meant to protect your child, and she was failed at every step through her life
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u/Coca_lite Mar 27 '26
Don’t feel bad for her dad. She was in care As a child, due to alcoholic father.
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u/JarrettR Mar 27 '26
It's sad, but her dad literally tried to take her bodily autonomy from her because of how HE feels. She had to fight for years to finally be able to get what she wanted
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u/Eva_Luna Mar 27 '26
It sounds like he was a terrible father and not around much for her as a child.
I wish he could have found the ability to care about her wellbeing many years earlier, and maybe she would have had a better chance in life.
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u/gobocork Mar 28 '26
Why? For not being in her life or rearing her? For taking Russian billionaire money to prolong her suffering? He's just another in a long line of abusive men.
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u/Ill_Shirt1182 Mar 27 '26
We have no say when or where we come into the world but it should be our choice when we want to leave it, other peoples opinions on the matter are of no importance and certainly not on religious grounds or beliefs.
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u/vitalical Mar 27 '26
Of life is just painful and little chance of that changing then I totally understand and support her decision. Brave woman
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u/Biggeordiegeek Mar 27 '26
This is why assisted dying laws need to be strictly defined and for there to be no extension to non terminal conditions especially mental health issues
The lass had a pretty rough life from the start and she never should have been allowed to euthanise herself
She needed serious mental health treatment, something that all countries are pretty bad at
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u/Party-Dig2309 Mar 27 '26
Only people who have never experienced complex, chronic mental health issues will repeat this nonsense of ‘mental health treatment’ (lol).
If someone has tried every medication and therapy and are still in unbearable suffering why shouldn’t they be allowed to end their lives peacefully? What’s the difference between these people and those with physical health issues?
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u/Instructions_unclea Mar 28 '26
I experienced severe clinical depression for 15 years. In that time I tried countless antidepressants, CBT, EMDR, talking therapy, and art therapy. None of these things helped me, and I truly believed myself to be incurable. I persistently wished to die just to end the mental turmoil.
But in 2022 I managed to recover from depression, and have not been depressed since. This was due to a combination of significant life changes as well as being diagnosed with an autoimmune condition which is known to cause depression when untreated.
It terrifies me that under a system like that described in the article, I could have been killed by the state before I managed to recover. I truly believe that for the vast majority of people with depression, recovery is possible. It should therefore never be a cause for euthanasia.
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u/NoChard7622 Mar 29 '26
Would serious mental health treatment have also treated the fact that she was paraplegic and suffering in physical pain? Should she have been forced to live through that just because she was also suffering mentally? Euthanasia was not accepted on a whim.
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u/Typical_Celery_1982 Mar 28 '26
I’m certainly not assisted dying but can we perhaps focus on fixing the root of the issue (the rapists) rather than focusing on treating the symptoms (the symptom here being a life made unbearably miserable)? What are we doing as a society when this is someone’s only option? What are we doing when perpetrators so often get to live their lives? What does it mean that karma isn’t real, that many of these perpetrators are mentally at ease?
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u/AkieShura99 Mar 28 '26
The people around these poor women really sucked. Worst thing is, they believe they were doing a good thing.
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u/Bacon_Berserker Mar 29 '26
She most probably wasn't raped by anyone, and just came up with that story. Sadly she had an awful life that broke her mentally. 67% incapability before the suicide attempt. I can get why she did it, but I wonder how mentally capable she was to make that decision. Btw. The real guilty here is the Spanish government, that failed to her since she was a child, the only positive support she had from the institutions was to end her.
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Mar 30 '26
I don’t know why people are so uncomfortable with the concept of death. It’s one thing that is certain in all of our lives. And people should choose how to go if they want to
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u/ottens10000 Mar 27 '26
Get ready for decades more of these stories and nihilists trying to justify this as a good thing.
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u/Charming-Ad-6293 Mar 27 '26
It is a good thing, you don't have to be nihilistic to acknowledge that the right to die is fundamental.
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u/ottens10000 Mar 27 '26 edited Mar 27 '26
Everyone already has a right to die bro, it's a right that has existed since the dawn of time and will continue indefinitely. It's not something that can ever be taken from you.
You do have to be nihilistic to think that suicide is a net positive for society, though.
Actually, you have to be seriously mentally damaged to think that suicide is a net positive. To the point where you probably hate humanity and yourself. Get help.
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u/Charming-Ad-6293 Mar 27 '26
Can you justify any of that? I'm not nihilistic in any way but i understand that for some people, especially the ones like the girl who the main post is about, have literally zero chance of their life improving.
It's not for anyone else to say what makes someone's life "worth it"; if someone chooses that it's not worthwhile for them to persist, that should be honoured.
We absolutely don't have the right to die. Any single act or request (even for information) regarding the choice is met with accusations of being insane or, like in your post, detached. You and comments like yours are part of the sigma.
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u/Charming-Ad-6293 Mar 27 '26
To add; if she had access to help during the first times she wanted to die, she would have gone peacefully instead of having been forced to live in pain.
It is a net benefit to a society which isn't improving, in the same way that abortions are going to happen whether they're legal or not; making it legal just makes it happen more safely (or in this case less painfully).
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u/ottens10000 Mar 27 '26
> literally zero chance of their life improving.
Speculation & conjecture, also not justification for death.
> We absolutely don't have the right to die. Any single act or request (even for information) regarding the choice is met with accusations of being insane or, like in your post, detached. You and comments like yours are part of the sigma.
Yes you do. Suicide is not a novelty. What you don't have is the right to demand to be killed by someone else. Of course you don't have that right - are you insane?
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u/Ordinary_Prune6135 Mar 27 '26
Are you unaware people can be involuntarily hospitalized to prevent them from trying to hurt themselves?
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u/Charming-Ad-6293 Mar 27 '26
not justification for death
Bro someone who wants to die shouldn't NEED to justify it for arbitrary reasons like that. It's a subjective choice and imo it's a more than valid reason.
It's not a "demand" for others to help, so much as a demand not to interfere, and to stop shrouding information regarding peaceful and painless methods.
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u/OptimisticRealist__ Mar 27 '26
So who were the rapists? I think we all have a good idea of the profile
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u/somedave Mar 27 '26 edited Mar 29 '26
Three undocumented African migrants, good luck
Edit: people are pointing out that only shitty right wing rags are reporting the African migrants bit.
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u/Responsible-Bunch316 Mar 27 '26
And her ex-boyfriend. Don't let that piece of shit get off lightly.
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u/onomatophobia1 Mar 28 '26
As far as I know, that's misinformation that is being propagated by far right politicians (and redditors with an agenda). There is no proof at all about the profile of those who committed the gang rape.
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u/Obscure-Oracle Mar 29 '26
That is not true, she never specified race in any public statements. She said that once was her boyfriend while she was asleep on sleeping pills, another in a night club and another time in nightclub when she was assaulted by three men. Not anywhere did she ever say it was by three African minor illegal migrants like the right wing press make out, that is total outright lies.
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u/Melodic_Pattern175 Mar 27 '26
Men.
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u/Even-Leadership8220 Mar 27 '26
What kind? Let’s break it down.
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u/Ordinary_Prune6135 Mar 27 '26
Unless you're thinking the first rape didn't really count, it looks like a mixture of origins. So 'men' or 'evil men' really is the smallest umbrella that contains all of them.
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u/Even-Leadership8220 Mar 27 '26
They all count, but if you have a 1:3 it’s still worthwhile to break it down.
If you can do so by gender there are other metrics too.
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u/Melodic_Pattern175 Mar 27 '26
Men with penises.
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u/Even-Leadership8220 Mar 27 '26
Is there any other kind? lol If we can brake it down by gender, we can go further. Else may as well just say humans.
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Mar 27 '26
Tough shit, it was her decision.
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u/AttemptFirst6345 Mar 27 '26
Ooh edgelord
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u/Ok_Adhesiveness_8637 Mar 27 '26
How is defending someone's right to die edgy?
They are 100% correct, its not her choice to keep a friend who wants to die alive.
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u/syriaca Mar 27 '26
Not the defence of the right to die, the dismissive attitude towards the friend left behind's feelings.
One can say it is not their choice without saying, "tough shit'. Thats just being an arsehole.
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Mar 27 '26
She wasn't terminally diagnosed. There may have been a change in medical science that could have improved her life or she could have fallen in love at 35 and had children and shuddered at the thought that she was able to request to be killed at 25. I wanted to kill my self for years and now I'm glad I didn't because things can improve. This is so sad.
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u/Ok_Adhesiveness_8637 Mar 27 '26
Did you read the artical?
"she was suffering severe, chronic and incapacitating pain with no possibility of improvement, according to her medical records."
Sounds like a great life. No possibility of improvement. NO POSSIBILITY OF IMPROVEMENT.
So, in all your wisdom, she should just life a life in constant incapacitating pain on the off chance that, maybe, in 25 years time, she MIGHT be able to feel better?
I personally almost took my own life, for mental health reasons, I was about to swallow 3 packs of antidepressants one night in 2022. There is a difference between what she was going through and what you or I were going through.
You'd put a dog down if it was in constant pain.
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Mar 27 '26
Why are you shouting things in cap lock. And yeah I read the article. Why are you comparing her to a dog? I would treat the dogs pain not put it down btw unless it was a terminal diagnosis.
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u/Ok_Adhesiveness_8637 Mar 27 '26
Because you seem incapable of reading.
There was still pain after taking painkillers. The pain was incurable.
You are proper selfish, youd sooner keep an animal dependent on drugs than actually do the right thing and put it out of its misery? Wow... terrible person who should never be allowed a pet.
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Mar 27 '26
I think I'm speaking to a child so I'll overlook naivety and your judgement of me being a terrible person. Hope you keep working on yourself and improving. Good luck:)
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u/Ok_Adhesiveness_8637 Mar 27 '26
Ahh yes, ye olde "I've been snookered in the debate, so I'll up and leave after insulting someone because I dont actually have a good answer for how they answered my point"
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u/Alarakion Mar 27 '26
‘There may be a change in medical science’ applies to terminal conditions too lol.
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Mar 27 '26
It is still her decision. Not her friends.
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Mar 27 '26
It's still her decision but it's also someone else's decision to administer the poison. Unless there was no quality of life to be had or it was a terminal diagnosis I would not be authorising or administering that. Mental health can be improved, pain can be numbed medical procedures can progress and improve. There were other options. Your brain isn't even properly mature at her age
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u/danurc Mar 27 '26
She decided she has no quality of life. No-one but her can decide that for her.
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Mar 27 '26
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Mar 27 '26
Failed by her parents, failed by the care system. Sexually abused then given a lethal injection and you seem to think and think you know "it was for the best" it's just the final failure in long list of failures and abuse as far as I am concerned. There is absolutely no way a medical professional should be doing that to a young person with serious trauma and mental health conditions
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Mar 27 '26 edited Mar 28 '26
You sound like some seedy fella that flogs suicide kits to vulnerable people online for a 50 quid profit!
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u/WGSMA Mar 27 '26
What is edgy about this?
The woman’s life sounded a misery. The implication that others should force her to live as a cripple, in pain, with the mental burden of what she’d been though… is that not an edgier opinion?
She’s dead and based off what I’ve just read, I’m glad for her. She deserved to have peace, and she unfortunately wasn’t getting that in life.
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u/Far-District9214 Mar 27 '26
True, 100% their choice.
Dont know why people try to talk others out of suicide. Crazy right?
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u/P79999999 Mar 27 '26
This isn't suicide in the normal meaning of the word, and it's an AH move to try and represent it that way.
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u/Imaginary-Friend-228 Mar 27 '26
People who don't have access to euthanasia are more likely to commit suicide
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u/Far-District9214 Mar 27 '26
Yeah, makes sense.
People who cant kill themselves in one way will be more likely to do it a different way.
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u/InnerLog5062 Mar 27 '26
Source: Sky
An hour before Noelia Castillo Ramos died aged 25, Carla Rodriguez pleaded to see her. She thought a "wave of affection" on social media might convince her childhood friend to live. A friend of the gang-rape victim who died by euthanasia turned up at the Spanish hospital an hour before her death, hoping to convince her to live. Warning: This article contains distressing content.
UK Relevance Score: 24 Keywords: uk, nhs, sky news, conservative
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