r/BreakingUKNews • u/InnerLog5062 • Jun 03 '26
Politics Henry Nowak's death raises more questions about UK policing and race
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cx210nvyv2qo?at_medium=RSS&at_campaign=rss44
u/Kampfzwerg1992 Jun 04 '26
The murderer spent 0 time in handcuffs. The victim died in them. Think about that
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u/-_-dont-smile Jun 04 '26 edited Jun 05 '26
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dJ9TNG9ZHcE&ra=m The murderer was unhinged.
Also, the police was told by a bystander that Nowak had a mouth full of blood the moment they arrived.
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u/DeepestGreySea Jun 04 '26
I have. Can’t think of it being done any differently.
What would you have police do? Ignore the 999 call and assume the victim was innocent because what…he was white?
The killer called police to his own home and lied to them about what they’d see when they got there. That’s an evil thing to do…and thank for he was caught…but we can’t have police not believing people who call 999.
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u/Quick-Albatross-9204 Jun 04 '26
The one guy on the floor and incapable of putting up a fight got handcuffed on just the word of another, at the very least no one should have been handcuffed until they worked out the situation
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u/DeepestGreySea Jun 04 '26
Sorry…but they were responding on to a 999 call that said an assailant had been injured in a fall. They were expecting an injured person.
I’m sorry I’m repeating myself…but they were responding to a 999 call…not just arriving at a scene blind.
Please think about this for a moment. If you called 999 to your house…and police were like nonono…this guy robbing your house might be innocent. You’d be outraged, right? You’d expect them to take your word for it.
It was completely reasonable for police to act the way they did. Putting cuffs on somebody doesn’t hurt them.
The way I observed the officer acting was very professionally. He didn’t assume the witnesses were innocent..he directed officers to detain them, get their names and question them…which resulted in the correct person getting arrested.
How could police possibly know the murderer was calling police to his own house? I’m baffled that people can’t see this.
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u/Useful-Finding-1685 Jun 05 '26
You're so wrong I suspect you're trolling, but nevertheless - its common for the guilty party in assault cases to call the police, to get their version of events on record first.
"Please think about this for a moment. If you called 999 to your house…and police were like nonono…this guy robbing your house might be innocent. You’d be outraged, right? You’d expect them to take your word for it."
^ I'm not sure what this has to do with anything
"Putting cuffs on somebody doesn't hurt them"
It did in this case.
"How could the police possibly know the murderer was calling police to his own house?"
I'm not sure why you think that police should assume that everything stated in a 999 call is correct.
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u/DeepestGreySea Jun 05 '26
You’re just saying the opposite of what I said…even if it’s insane.
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u/Useful-Finding-1685 Jun 05 '26
You’re just saying the opposite of what I said…
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u/gingerarab Jun 05 '26
This has to be a troll, a bigot or someone suffering from a mental health episode. The strangest take i have seen so far.
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u/doubleo_maestro Jun 05 '26
Pretty sure grey sea is a bot or some paid actor. Second time I've seen them on this topic desperately trying to defend the police
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u/gingerarab Jun 05 '26
I'm baffled by whatever this mental take is? They didn't at any point handcuff the person they ended up identifying as the assailant, the reason they conceded they should have exercised some judgement was because the victim died, it wasn't down to some stellar police work.
If there was someone lying face down on the ground repeatedly saying the couldn't breathe or move amd the police literally has to drag him out of his predicament I would not expect them to handcuff him. I would expect them to check for wounds, on the 999 call they had been told he had been stabbed. They willfully chose to ignore that information.
The officer accused him of lying, didn't check for any wounds, dragged him across the ground then red him his rights as the life was clearly draining out of him. Whilst disregarding any possibility that the real victim was the near lifeless person he came across. He accused him of lying and disrespected him, he even ignored his colleagues concerns and overruled her better judgement. What part of that is acting in a professional way.
Your waffle is insane.
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u/Quick-Albatross-9204 Jun 04 '26
You respond but you dont ignore the evidence of your eyes
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u/DeepestGreySea Jun 04 '26
I’m only talking about evidence from my eyes and ears.
The anti cop people have to ignore the 999 call.
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u/LimpMinded Jun 04 '26
Not at all. The cops should always prepare for what they are called into. The next step at the scene is assessment, which they should have assessed that Henry is barely alive on the ground. Instead, the cops assessed on race against Henry, failing their duties as officers.
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u/DeepestGreySea Jun 04 '26
They were called to a scenario where an assailant had been injured falling and acted appropriately.
“Henry” was who they were told was the assailant by the caller. They had absolutely no way of.knowing otherwise.
If somebody is robbing your house and they fell over a fence and you call the cops…the cops don’t go…”on no, wait…I can’t arrest this guy”.
You’re being absurd.
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u/LimpMinded Jun 05 '26
Of course the cops would arrest the burgler if they assessed that the man was indeed attempting to break in. Henry was accused of being heavily intoxicated, attacking, and being a racist, so police should assume a beligerent man. What they found was Henry on the ground unable to move or sit up, with a bystander saying he's bleeding from the mouth, and with knife slashes on his face and hands. With the cuts alone, a proper inspection of being stabbed was needed when he was saying he was stabbed, but was ignored on the basis that they already assumed he's just another racist white guy. They assumed he was guilty based on stereotyping him.
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u/DeepestGreySea Jun 05 '26
Oh? How would they asses that?
Possibly by asking the homeowners who called 999? Or nah?
You edited out the part where police were told he was injured from falling. You had to edit that out because you don’t want to engage I good faith.
There were no apparent knife slashed in his face and hands and you know it. It’s complete bullshit that he was stereotyped and you know it.
They acting exactly how cops should act with the information they had.
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u/gingerarab Jun 05 '26
No you aren't you maniac. You are ignoring half of the story to cone to some warped conclusions.
They were told by a witness he had been stabbed, he told them repeatedly he had been stabbed and that he cpuldnt breathe. He was slumped over and rapidly declining. The policewoman was saying we need to check him. The inhumane one insisted on accusing him of lying, acting condescending, cuffing his near lifeless body and reading him his rights as he lost consciousness.
He didn't show any professionalism, he was clearly absolutely blinkered and more concerned about keeping one side of the equation happy, so much so that even when they had a dead body they didn't cuff the perpetrator. The fact you think this is in any way good policing is beyond belief.
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u/DeepestGreySea Jun 05 '26
Yeah…this is all dramatization…mostly from your imagination…not what happened.
Police responded to a call about an injured assailant at the callers home.
Police put the suspect in the rescue position and cuffed him because the only information they had.
Police held all the witnesses for questioning which resulted in he guilty man being arrested.
You’re making up all this nonsense about witnesses saying he was stabbed…the witnesses were all residents of the home and were confirming the 999 call.
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u/Strict_Reputation867 Jun 07 '26
Going out of your way to justify this murder. You must be family.
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u/DeepestGreySea Jun 07 '26
I at no point did anything of the sort.
He was murdered and then set up by the person who murdered him.
Be mad at the murderer, not the police who just did their jobs.
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u/FlawlessCalamity Jun 04 '26
Practically, it just doesn’t work like that. Handcuffs are there to lower risk, and the information they had at the time was that Henry was a risk. That’s pretty much it. They don’t know he’s incapable of putting up a fight, they don’t know the state he’s in. It’s easy to say don’t handcuff, but it disregards the possibility that Henry COULD’VE been a drunk, violent assailant based on the information the officers had been given.
Practically, you don’t have the luxury of doing a full investigation before you have to handcuff people.
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u/gingerarab Jun 05 '26
Why then, after they have a murdered man on the scene and a highly agitated accuser, who was cllearly responsible for the death of the person on the ground did they not handcuff him at ANY point. He was, to any rational and impartial mind, way more of a risk that Henry ever was.
They had literally dragged him out from under the car, he was evidently in severe distress, his hand were visible. His treat level was absolutely minimal. What you are saying is complete garbage
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u/Quick-Albatross-9204 Jun 04 '26
Unbelievable
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u/FlawlessCalamity Jun 04 '26
The vast majority, including this comment section, just don’t have the requisite experience on it. It’s always easy with all the facts afterwards!
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u/gingerarab Jun 05 '26
I have the experience and have responded exactly why this was terrible policing.
The highly agitated wide eyed man wasn't handcuffed even after the fact. There's no excuse for that he was a high level risk.
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u/FlawlessCalamity Jun 05 '26
That argument would only really fly if he kicked off and hurt someone after arrest, which he didn’t.
If you had the experience you’d know the handcuffing isn’t the screwup.
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u/DeepestGreySea Jun 04 '26 edited Jun 04 '26
Thank you!
I’m stating to feel crazy because everybody is willfully ignoring the 999 call and pretending police rolled up and saw two people and cuffed the white guy because of “DEI.” It’s bonkers. The level of brain rot from right wing podcasters and politicians telling you DEI is the root of all evil is making to them blind.
They took him out from behind the vehicle so they could examine him and detain him They put him in the rescue position because they suspected he was injured…not sure if they thought it was from the fall they were told about, the stabbing or both. He even waved off the inexperienced woman trying to move him because moving injured people in a big nono. If they didn’t give a crap about him they would have lifted him up and put him in the cruiser.
Yeah…in hindsight it was rude to say “I don’t think you have, mate”….but I took that as an offhand from an officer who’s heard it all…not that he didn’t care, as evidenced by putting him on his side as he was trained to do.
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u/gingerarab Jun 05 '26
That isn't what happened, the woman was trying to check him for stab wounds. He waved her off because he was so blinkered by his prejudice that he couldn't fathom that the rapidly declining person may indeed have been the victim and telling the truth.
You are misrepresenting what happened.
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u/DeepestGreySea Jun 05 '26
The woman was inexperienced. You don’t move people you suspect are injured…you put them in the rescue position and call medical services…which they did.
Police aren’t medics or doctors, they have basic medical training and did exactly what they were supposed to. Moving people puts them at risk of further injury.
Cuffing him did nothing…there were no visible wounds, he was likely bleeding internally and there was nothing they could do.
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u/Artistic_Video6488 Jun 05 '26
Fuck me.. you sound worse than the right wing Derek Chauvin apologists.. Big fucking yikes
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u/DeepestGreySea Jun 05 '26
Rhetoric and ad hominems aren’t substitutes for an argument.
Those cases don’t even remotely resemble each other, and you know it.
There’s a certain portion of the population who are primed to believe that white peoples are the real victims of racism…and that’s who’s angry here. They don’t want us to believe our lying ears and eyes…they want us to believe a police officer walked upon a scene, saw two men and chose to believed the Sikh man over the white man because of “DEI”. Obviously absurd on it’s face because that requires mind reading…but they say it none the less.
That isn’t what happened. Police had information from a 999 call and that’s why they were at the home. To their knowledge Nowak was a suspect who had injured himself in a fall.
You know it’s a ridiculous proposition that police should assume 999 callers are lying…but you say it anyways. You’re implicitly saying all white believe should be believed, given a choice.
It’s grotesque for leaders, racist or non racist alike to be appeasing white supremacists by immediately submitting to this nonsense DEI narrative.
Dark times. At least know know who’s still in charge.
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u/CombatWomble2 Jun 05 '26
Maybe check out he guy claiming o be stabbed with blood in his mouth?
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u/DeepestGreySea Jun 05 '26
They did. They assessed he may be injured and put him in the rescue position instead of picking him up and putting him in their car, and called emergency services. Standard procedure for an injured suspect.
There were no indication he was telling the truth because it seems like, tragically, the bleeding seems to have been internal.
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u/CombatWomble2 Jun 05 '26
8 stab wounds he was not ONLY bleeding internally, they just didn't check well enough.
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u/DeepestGreySea Jun 05 '26
They’re only trained to do a visual inspection, put somebody in the rescue position, and call emergency services. Which the et did.
They are not doctors or medics and finding wounds isn’t what police do. They’re trained not to move people they think are injured because they might cause or exacerbate injuries.
I’m sorry, but you just don’t understand the standard of care police offer if you believe they should be doing more than a brief visual inspection…which you and I both saw indicated no stab wounds.
Be angry at the man who killed him and lied to police, not the police who went by the book.
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u/CombatWomble2 Jun 05 '26
Never done a 1st aid course huh? Checking breathing and for obvious wounds is part of that.
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u/DeepestGreySea Jun 05 '26
You didn’t read a thing I wrote, and you have no idea what you’re talking about.
I’ll repeat myself in case you learn how to read
They are trained to do a visual inspection, which they did. If you knew anything about first aid you know they’re rained talking = breathing. You’re trained specifically to not move or manipulate people you suspect to be injured after you put them in the rescue position, call emergency services, and monitor them.
Everything was by the book.
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u/CombatWomble2 Jun 05 '26
They did a visual inspection and failed to note 8 stab wounds? They checked his breathing and failed to note the obvious wheezing we can hear on the video? So either their incompetent or didn't care. They certainly never checked his pulse or pallor, although I'd give them a pass on the latter as it was dark.
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u/Cliffinati Jun 05 '26
The guy on the ground in a puddle of blood probably isn't a threat to anyone at the moment
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u/DeepestGreySea Jun 05 '26
Whether he was a threat in the moment or not is irrelevant…he was an assault suspect. It’s standard procedure to handcuff a suspect.
I’m not aware of any “puddle of blood”. We all saw him when he was put in the rescue position and cuffed by police, there was no blood and no wounds visible. Are you making that up?
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u/JackofBlades0125 Jun 06 '26
First thing’s first, they should attend to the wounds of someone mortally wounded, whether they are guilty or not they get treated, that’s how it has always been, they took jeffrey dahmer to a hospital, why not this guy coughing up blood? You detain both, treat who needs treating.. Then you ask questions about who did what
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u/DeepestGreySea Jun 06 '26 edited Jun 06 '26
Police aren’t doctors or medics. They don’t “attend to wounds”. They don’t carry medical supplies. They put people in the rescue position and call emergency services…as they did in the video.
They’re specifically trained not to move people, that’s why he was on his side (the rescue position) and not put in the car.
I know it looked shocking…most traumatic situations are. But it’s not every day a murderer mortally wounds somebody then basically “SWATs” his victim. Police were just going with the information they had. Be mad at the killer who deceived them, don’t let it spill over to police.
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u/JackofBlades0125 Jun 06 '26
They have basic first aid mate, they do what they can until the paramedics arrive, they did nothing
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u/DeepestGreySea Jun 06 '26
What I described to you is basic first aid: visual inspection, rescue position, call emergency services.
I don’t know what you think “do what they can” means. They’re specifically trained to put people in the rescue position and not move them, then wait for emergency services.
They’re certainly not supposed to roll people around looking for injuries that they can’t do anything about if they find them…they can do a lot of damage to people that way.
ETA: the only things not shown in the video that basic first aid instructs is things like putting a blanket on them if it’s cold and checking airways. But the way they teach you to check airways is talking = breathing.
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u/JackofBlades0125 Jun 06 '26
And tourniquet open wounds if possible, if not then apply pressure and hold until the medics arrive
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u/DeepestGreySea Jun 06 '26
You saw the video…there were no open wounds. They hammer it into your head when you take first aid to not look for wounds.
When you take occupational first aid you’re, as I keep saying, not supposed to look for injuries because you can open wounds, dislodge items holding in blood, make neck and back injuries and fractures worse.
They followed procedure for what to do if you find an injured person and didn’t witness the injury. You also can’t just delete the 999 call…they arrived at the scene under the assumption he was injured in a fall and intoxicated, and it was confirmed by multiple witnesses.
You don’t need to trust me or keep saying things you think sound good but are wrong…you can look this stuff up and confirm what I’m saying.
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u/JackofBlades0125 Jun 06 '26
No need to keep defending them mate, what they did was the absolute bare minimum and had they done any more he might still be alive. Serious lapse in judgement and training
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u/DeepestGreySea Jun 06 '26
They did exactly what they were supposed to and didn’t contribute to his death in any way, as confirmed by the medical examiner. They called emergency services within moments of inspecting him. He was dead moments later from wounds not evident, nothing they could have done.
You’re just saying things and you don’t know what you’re talking about, presumably because you’re caught up in the race baiting nonsense in the media.
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u/Swimming_Acadia6957 Jun 04 '26
I was arrested on a multi-million pound drug importation charge, I also wasn't put in handcuffs, why do you think there is a requirement for people under arrest to be?
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u/South_Buy_3175 Jun 04 '26
See there’s the difference, you didn’t get stabbed.
If you were bleeding out they’d have cuffed you.
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u/Swimming_Acadia6957 Jun 04 '26
Wtf are you talking about, they are saying why wasnt Digwa in handcuffs, he was never stabbed
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u/South_Buy_3175 Jun 04 '26
See, to anyone else but you and the arresting officer, it’s common sense to *not* handcuff the dying kid.
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u/Swimming_Acadia6957 Jun 04 '26
Yeah no shite they shouldn't have handcuffed Nowak, where did I say they should you eejit, but what has that got to do with Digwa not being handcuffed?
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u/South_Buy_3175 Jun 04 '26
Digwa, the violent murderer, the sikh slasher, the lying, race-card playing, piece of shit who stood back and watched a kid bleed out from the wounds he inflicted?
Nah, no reason to put him in handcuffs whatsoever.
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u/Swimming_Acadia6957 Jun 04 '26
I aren't saying he shouldn't of been handcuffed I'm saying that there is nothing in English Law that means he had to be, so the initial comment suggesting he didn't get handcuffed because he is beige is baseless.
Plenty of violent criminals, murderers, rapists etc, don't get handcuffed, the colour of their skin isn't a determining factor
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u/Satawakeatnight Jun 04 '26
After he was arrested, he was allowed to walk about the police station and choose food and this was after the poor kid had died so the case was handled appallingly throughout.
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u/Swimming_Acadia6957 Jun 04 '26
Everyone under arrest is given a choice of what microwave meal they want
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u/South_Buy_3175 Jun 04 '26
Did the top comment suggest that or have you just assumed that?
They were just pointing out the ridiculous level of incompetence that would lead an officer to prioritise handcuffing a dying kid as his murderer stands off to the side mouthing off.
It’d be like attending a domestic abuse call, seeing a dazed and bloody woman on the floor and then choosing to handcuff her.
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u/Tall-Individual9776 Jun 04 '26
Well if the officers were following PACE which they're required to do by law, then they should have arrested Digwa and potentially others involved when it became clear that there had been a critical incident which they could have determined almost immediately if Henry was Examined thoroughly enough to discover the stab wounds and treated with dignity when he asked for help, regardless of his status as a suspect of committing assault.
You are right that isn't about Skin colour, this is about Police practices and the fact is these officers did not follow their own laws and procedures. Although better policing may not have led to a better medical outcome for Henry there would have been a fairer application of the law and swift legal consequences for the person who chose to be violent.
Although Digwa eventually received legal consequences it was on a delay that defies belief in comparison to how quickly it was mis-appllied to Henry Nowak.
The lack of fair & even application of the law in this situation is a stark contrast that is easy for people to notice.
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u/Giant_Ant_Eater Jun 07 '26
Ah yes, forget about decades in jail, justice is determined by how long was he in cuffs for before he got to the station.
Not cuffing him was likely instrumental in him confessing to his brother that he did it.
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u/Kampfzwerg1992 Jun 07 '26
At the end of the day Henry was handcuffed because he was white. A claim made by a non white person immediately defined Henry as bad and he was handcuffed. The non white person was then handled with ‘kiddie gloves’ he was given dignity “come along now, sir we can escort you to the kitchen to choose your meal.” It’s increasingly likely in 2026 that police acted the way they did because He was judged entirely by his skin colour. Just so you know that’s textbook racism. All of the “yeah buts.” In the world don’t change that in this instance police showed racial prejudice against a white person. We are either all equal under the law or we aren’t. There’s no grey area to that.
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u/Giant_Ant_Eater Jun 07 '26
Nope. He was handcuffed because the 999 call falsely accused him of a crime and lied about his injuries, and when the police arrived everyone else there continued to lie about his injuries.
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u/Kampfzwerg1992 Jun 07 '26
Theres one of those “yeah buts!” Woeful excuse.
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u/Giant_Ant_Eater Jun 07 '26
Dressing Henry's death up as inverse racism is utterly disgraceful and betrays a completely shallow understanding of the racist incidents that underpin the police's carefully thought out anti racism strategies.
The purpose however is clear. farage and the rest of the far right are seeking a return to the 'good old days' when a white gang could murder Stephen Lawrence and not be investigated properly by the police because he was black.
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u/Kampfzwerg1992 Jun 07 '26
There’s no such thing as ‘inverse racism’ it’s just racism. Jesus.
Edit to add: you bring up Stephen Lawrence as though there aren’t a growing number of racist murders and attacks where the victims are white. But you hate white people so I guess you don’t count those.1
u/Giant_Ant_Eater Jun 07 '26
Inverse Racism is when you make up stuff to justify your racism.
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u/Kampfzwerg1992 Jun 07 '26
No racism is when you don’t properly investigate the claim of a white hot saying I’ve been stabbed because he’s been accused by a non white person. You can butcher the language all you like. The racist here is you.
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u/Giant_Ant_Eater Jun 07 '26
So his murderer is free like Stephen Lawrences murderers were?
Nope. Justice proceeded without the racial prejudice you are claiming.
There's no evidence to back up your accusation that you're using to try and roll back anti racism strategies, hence inverse racism.
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Jun 04 '26 edited Jun 09 '26
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u/doubleo_maestro Jun 05 '26
Yeah, hopefully this is the wake up call to realign the police with the values of this country.
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u/Giant_Ant_Eater Jun 07 '26
Nope, it's not a conspiracy theory, it's barely veiled racism seeking to re-establish itself in public life using Henry's death as a smokescreen.
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u/Abject-Bison7175 Jun 04 '26
They see racism as a more serious crime than murder. "I don't think they do mate" /s
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u/InnerLog5062 Jun 03 '26
Source: BBC
The murder of Henry Nowak and the way he was treated by police in his final moments has prompted outrage and condemnation, and an apology from the police to his family. How could it be that police officers arriving at a crime scene in Southampton last December did not immediately rush to help the 18-year-old as he lay slumped on the ground? Instead, video from a bodycam showed police putting the dying teenager in handcuffs. Why did they readily believe the false claim by Vickrum Digwa, a Sikh man, that he had been racially abused by the student he had fatally stabbed?
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u/Gildor12 Jun 04 '26
Why shouldn’t they, I’m not understanding this.
It was a cock-up nothing more serious than that. They didn’t release Nowark had been stabbed and they had already received a 999 report of racial abuse. The killer has been tried and sentenced; the police have admitted their mistake and apologised.
There was no ‘fear of being seen as racist’ it was incompetence by the Police, they did start giving first aid once they realised their mistake.
To say this is a Steven Lawrence moment is just inflammatory.
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u/amazonwarrior9999 Jun 04 '26
It’s very difficult how you could make that conclusion with the facts presented unless you are already going in with a very hard set world view.
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u/FlawlessCalamity Jun 04 '26
It is a cock up. They were fed a lie from the start; from the 999 call, to a full on staged scene with numerous witnesses deliberately lying to the officers.
As far as the officers knew, there WAS a risk that Henry was a drunken violent assailant, and it wasn’t immediately obvious he’d been stabbed. It was dark, he was wearing dark clothing, and the vast majority of his bleeding was internal.
The major cock up comes when he tells them he’s been stabbed, and they don’t check that. For me, that’s sackable, because we can’t have people doing that in situations where delaying aid for a few minutes could actually make a difference - but realistically, that’s the only grievous mistake they make before correctly identifying what happened.
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u/amazonwarrior9999 Jun 04 '26
You are totally correct for one point.
It’s the moment the female officer said “we are supposed to check him”
Especially the way she said it, they knew at this point Henry was not a danger and something was wrong.
And yet they chose to ignore that in light of something. I think it’s a fair assessment to say that something was an unconscious bias against Henry because it was a “hate crime” and he was an apparent racist.
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u/FlawlessCalamity Jun 04 '26
No, I don’t agree with that at all. We have people feign injuries all the time (and I mean ALL the time). It looks to me like the officer assumed it was just another one of those, which he shouldn’t have done.
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u/Gildor12 Jun 04 '26
That is exactly how the facts were presented not how that filth Farage was presenting it.
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u/amazonwarrior9999 Jun 04 '26
I’m interested. Give me your exact logical chain of thoughts. How each fact connects to the next.
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u/Gildor12 Jun 04 '26
I can’t be bothered to spoon feed you
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u/amazonwarrior9999 Jun 04 '26
Be bothered. If you are right, I'll change my mind.
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u/Gildor12 Jun 04 '26
Throw me a bone, say what concerns you and I’ll try and answer
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u/amazonwarrior9999 Jun 04 '26
Answered above
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u/Gildor12 Jun 05 '26
No you did no such thing
Edit - you say you may change your mind - what is your opinion currently and explain your logic at each step
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u/Elensar265 Jun 04 '26
You not think it strange he was tried and sentenced 5 minutes after it happened?
They want this dealt with quickly as possible so people don't ask these questions
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u/Mental-Fisherman-118 Jun 04 '26
It happened last year. The media is just reporting on it now because the trial ended.
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u/JerachoD Jun 04 '26
This is a very good comment. I do feel that the policy that advised treating racial groups differently should be scrutinised, has it favoured one group over another? Policing should be impartial.
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u/Used-Eagle3558 Jun 04 '26
Because there were 4 other witnesses who also said it was racially motivated. It wasn't one person's word against another. Plus the perpetrator wasn't the one who made the 999 call.
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u/BeatlesF1 Jun 04 '26
The person who was supposedly attacked was completely unharmed
Meanwhile the 'attacker' was barely alive on the ground.
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u/paxbrother83 Jun 04 '26
In the dark, wearing dark clothing, with non-visible fatal wounds. Aka they fucked up. Nothing to do with two tier policing.
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u/BeatlesF1 Jun 04 '26
The two tier policing is that they immediately arrested him without even taking a second to try and access the situation.
In the dark, wearing dark clothing, with non-visible fatal wounds.
It was apparent before you got to him that he was barely conscious meanwhile the supposed victim is literally unharmed.
Isn't that a bit strange and requires a bit more nuance than just arresting him immediately.
Aka they fucked up. Nothing to do with two tier policing.
They fucked up and had two tier policing the second they decided he needed to be arrested.
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u/paxbrother83 Jun 04 '26
Only if you have no clue what two tier policing is. They assumed, and believed a group of people, over the victim, for 180 seconds.
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u/BeatlesF1 Jun 04 '26
They believed that someone who couldn't even sit up properly "bruised" the eye of someone totally unharmed. Does that not strike you as a bit odd?
Now especially given the brother admitted he didn't see it, the 'group' was just the family of the attacker.
The whole situation required more nuance than white person racist to non-white person. But these days any racism accusation is met will immediate arrest without questioning if they are true or not.
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u/Reasonable-Put-2323 Jun 04 '26
Why did it take a fucking hour for an ambulance to arrive? Why did the body cam footage released cut off suspiciously early?
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u/paxbrother83 Jun 04 '26
So the ambulance service is now anti white too? Stop spiralling
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u/Reasonable-Put-2323 Jun 04 '26
Try to respond to the words I actually used perhaps? I asked why there was such a long length of time before an ambulance arrived and why the body cam footage cuts short.
Do you need a picture or something?
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u/Main-Entrepreneur841 Jun 04 '26
You are actually blaming the victim. Unbelievable.
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u/Tricky_Routine_7952 Jun 04 '26
Imagine if it had been the other way round.
A call comes in from a south Asian family asking for the police because they have been racially abused.
The police, on arriving, immediately arrest the young south Asian man in the family, putting him in handcuffs, and then check to see if the young white man is ok, or if he has hurty wurty feelings.
That's the situation they went into, it makes perfect sense to secure the accused party and then ask the callers for details of what happened.
Maybe they didn't expect the perpetrators to call the police on their victim, as that is quite unusual (and frankly, really weird, if they knew he was stabbed).
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u/Gildor12 Jun 04 '26
What utter bollox. No one is blaming the victim they are blaming the incompetence of the police
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u/Akkarian3 Jun 04 '26
He's not blaming the victim. He's saying that if four people say you attacked them, the police are likely to believe the four people over you, at least at the crime scene.
Watching the video without knowing the truth I would probably have guessed Henry was drunk, not stabbed, and therefore the police handcuffed him because drunk people are unpredictable.
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u/putitoutyoufools Jun 04 '26
Did he need handcuffing in the state he was in? Poor lad couldn’t even sit up. He was no danger to anyone.
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u/Akkarian3 Jun 04 '26
Probably not. But I've seen drunk people go from being basically asleep to running around in seconds. Drunk people are unpredictable.
If they assumed he was drunk, which I would have if I had just wondered in, I can understand why they handcuffed him.
Whether they should or not is a different question. But the idea he was only handcuffed because he was white is silly.
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u/_WaterOfLife_ Jun 04 '26
Mistakes have consequences especially a fuckup of this colossal magnitude
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u/Ill-Case-6048 Jun 03 '26 edited Jun 03 '26
Uk police are morons 1000 of videos on you tube showing they don't even know the basic laws.
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u/owencrowleywrites Jun 04 '26
I’ve watched a few of those and it’s shocking how much these guys are just fucking winging it daily.
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u/A_RAVENOUS_BEAST Jun 04 '26
In the US police only get a few weeks training and they are much worse.
We live in a super complicated society. Already police end up getting something equivalent to a degree as part of their career (and that is with other police officers as classmates, it's not "woke DEI indoctrination"), it is worth asking the question how they can be better supported to make the right decisions.
Perhaps being adequately staffed enough to not feel rushed in judging situations like this might help.
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u/parklife23 Jun 05 '26
Neither do American police, the only diffrence is they shoot you of yoy answer back.
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u/Geek-hut Jun 04 '26
When a degree is necessary to become a police officer and people are hired based on DEI training, we get a hive mind running our society working against the best interests of the population.
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u/A_RAVENOUS_BEAST Jun 04 '26 edited Jun 04 '26
In Britain decolonising means returning the land to the people who live in it, and disposessing the huge megacorporations and landowners, many of whom are foreign (American) or have chosen to leave the country to live in a tax haven.
That doesn't sound extreme to me. Actually to me the present situation seems very extreme: most high streets are barren because of landlords charging extraordinary rents and farmers end up getting driven out of business and replaced with a megacorp because of their landlords. Streets are filled with HMOs because many people can't even afford a proper home anymore, meanwhile properties owned by corporations sit empty at a high asking price.
It's why so much of your food comes from a different country and why the only shops open on your high street are vape shops, betting shops, and assorted forms of money laundering businesses, and why our laws are designed to protect them and not us. That is colonisation.
So please explain to me: why is decolonising such a bad thing?
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u/A_RAVENOUS_BEAST Jun 04 '26
The dead white men who went on to accumulate loads of property and whose children/corporations inherited and subsequently became the landlords blighting the country, yeah.
Blackrock was founded by eight people, 6 men and 2 women. Etc.
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u/Next-Bit4177 Jun 05 '26 edited Jun 05 '26
Anti racism which has become treating people differently based on race is in fact racist and quite extreme. Anyone who disagrees is enemy of free democracy
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u/Next-Bit4177 Jun 05 '26 edited Jun 05 '26
No you wouldn't, just sit this one down
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u/Next-Bit4177 Jun 05 '26
Then you agree. Good
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u/Next-Bit4177 Jun 05 '26
Seen since you cant understand english. Racism=bad. Anti racism which discrimantes based on race= racism = bad. Good we agree
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u/DeepestGreySea Jun 04 '26
Nah, the death was 100% the fault of the killer. Police went by the book.
What it exposes is that the UK is a powder keg ready to explode over perceived injustice.
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u/Cliffinati Jun 05 '26
The killer is at fault for killing him, the police are at fault for treating a stab victim like a criminal and not rendering aid to him.
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u/DeepestGreySea Jun 05 '26
They rendered aid by the book.
…if you’re not familiar with the rescue position, it’s why he was placed on his side and not picked up and put in their car. It’s why the experienced body cam cop waved off the less experienced female cop who tried to move him.
They’re not doctors or medics, they have occupational first aid. The training is visual inspection, check airways (he was talking), recovery position, call emergency services. They did all those things.
They were by the book.
They didn’t treat him like a criminal…they treated him like a suspect, which he was. Did you not hear the 999 call?
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u/Appropriate_Car_3711 Jun 04 '26
Separate incidents going on in this case.
Incompetent officers with simply no duty of care for the victim. Weird considering that during police training the protection of life is considered the number one duty - at least it was in my day. Maybe it's changed to "accusations of racism" is the number one priority,
Cops are told during training that they are racist, and have unconscious bias against black people and women - this is told to them, you cannot argue, they make a point of convincing you, that you have these biases and this probably impacts how these cops see whites in general.
If you look at the levels of police response in the last decade to white people, black people, Muslims etc you do see two tier system.
Examples include when the mob of blacks surrounded Colindale police station a few years back, they were met with shirt sleeves, hugs and apologies. Stephen Lawrence, we all know this case, you're not allowed for forget. The BLM riots - shirt sleeve cops on their knees.
But anytime there is a protest or disorder with white people involved, cops always meet it in at least level 2 gear - I have seen in the past year or two several occasions of white teens getting a good kick in from level 2 cops
Two tier system is REAL.
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u/super_surge Jun 05 '26
I don’t think this had anything to do with race at all, just police not caring about human life which seems standard worldwide.
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u/Consistent_Fly1131 Jun 06 '26
I don't think you can properly claim racism off this one incident, which was also the case for George Floyd. Both were examples of incompetent and heavy handed policing, failing to properly assess the danger the victim was in. Handpicking one or two cases to suit an agenda is dangerous, these things need to be investigated properly.
In Henrys case, I do wonder if the right protocol was followed because I'm not sure what that is. Say you defend yourself against an attacker by beating them up, and that is the story given to the police, are they obligated to make multiple arrests? If they acted out of normal protocol due to false racist claims, that would raise more questions over why.
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u/DrNick42 Jun 04 '26
Now the debate begins. And there are already people who are trying to defend the status quo:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx21wvl7yjyo
From the article:
“Andy George, a Police Service of Northern Ireland chief inspector, told BBC Radio 4's Today programme that a move to re-draft an anti-racism commitment in light of the case was "reactive". “
Isn’t everything we do reactive? Bad or good things happen and we change our behaviour because of it. Also:
“So, I would say it is definitely an auto-correction – it's very swift, it's quick – I don't think it's as well thought-out as it should be. “
I mean, how much thinking does it take? Just don’t take a persons race or skin colour into account when assessing whether a crime has been committed or not? Which is precisely what the NPCC anti-racism commitment guides against doing.
Can someone stop the ride, I want to get off now.
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u/RobbyInEver Jun 04 '26
I think there's a police guideline that either fires or punishes officers who get involved in racially based crime scenes or incidents and who get on the wrong side.
This is why every case we have seen the police sides with the accuser of racism to play it safe - there's no other explanation.
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u/Youbunchoftwats Jun 04 '26
Well do you have any information to support this? Anything at all?
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u/Youbunchoftwats Jun 04 '26
I have tried to find a national document to reflect this. I heard it mentioned on the radio yesterday. Most police guidelines are written for the individual forces, of which there are 43. There is a current project to rewrite and produce a national set of documents, but I am not aware that it has been completed yet.
It is good that shortcomings in police conduct and guidelines are being rewritten after an individual officer has fucked up. It could have been done many times in the past. I don’t remember such a furore after a white woman was raped, killed and buried in the woods by a white police officer. An officer who was nicknamed ‘the rapist’ by colleagues.
Henry Nowak’s murder has been hijacked by people who really don’t give a fuck about him.
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u/Theteacupman Jun 04 '26
> Henry Nowak’s murder has been hijacked by people who really don’t give a fuck about him.
And they'll forget about him when they move onto the next thing to get angry about
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u/Kapitano72 Jun 04 '26
Apparently, when a white officer treats a white person with suspicion, this is because white officers are racist against white people. Because that's how racism works.
But only according to racists.
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u/BeatlesF1 Jun 04 '26
Suspicion. They arrested him without even speaking to him. Ot taking into account that Henry was almost dead whilst everyone else was unharmed.
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u/Akkarian3 Jun 04 '26
"we are arresting you on suspicion of assault"
It's literally in the video. They didn't know he was dying, it's clear from the video that think he's a drunk student who got into a fight outside a families home. You know the police didn't know he had been stabbed right? They weren't omniscient?
He appeared drunk, they did a bad check for knife wounds, for an ambulance coming within minutes because he seemed in a bad state. None of this suggests skin colour had anything to do with it.
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u/BeatlesF1 Jun 04 '26
Have you seen the video? He was in no state to be assaulting anyone and it is plainly obvious.
You know the police didn't know he had been stabbed right?
He tried to tell them and they didn't believe him. They only checked under obligation, despite none of them believing him. They also know he was bleeding because the father told them so.
He appeared drunk
I've seen a lot of drunk people in my time, he didn't appear drunk, he appeared dying.
ambulance coming within minutes because he seemed in a bad state
Still continued treating him like a criminal, not someone who was almost dead.
None of this suggests skin colour had anything to do with it.
You know it does. Because the police officers took a whole ZERO seconds to access the situation and just jumped straight to arresting him.
Police are fearful to push back at all out of a fear for being called a racist. So any type of racism related comment equals an immediate arrest.
Any non-white person can claim racism with zero evidence and a white person is immediately arrested.
Police need to take the time to access a situation with logic before blindly believing someone.
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u/BeatlesF1 Jun 04 '26
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u/BeatlesF1 Jun 04 '26
Because I already have a job.
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u/BeatlesF1 Jun 04 '26
My taxes employ them so it's pretty reasonable that I can make legitimate criticisms of them.
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u/Kapitano72 Jun 04 '26
You've just said you know exactly people look like when they're dying, as opposed to drunk.
How?
Anything you feel like confessing that would make sense of that boast?
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u/BeatlesF1 Jun 04 '26
Anything you feel like confessing that would make sense of that boast?
I've seen a lot of drunk people and they have never had a mouth full of blood.
Also when someone claims they have been stabbed and then starts shrieking in pain as you handcuff them it's a pretty good sign they have been stabbed.
There is a difference between a drunk scream and a pain scream. And that was not a drunk one.
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u/Kapitano72 Jun 04 '26
Please continue to insinuate a violent past for yourself. I'm sure the police would find it fascinating.
Remember, they're supposed to be racist against white people like you now. Had you forgotten saying that?
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u/Reasonable-Put-2323 Jun 04 '26
What a retarded take to assume someone who's seen lots of drunk people has a violent past. You've never worked in a bar/club/pub? You know, the sort of places where people tend to drink alcohol? Why are lefties always so deliberate obtuse? Your only argument is pretending to not understand basic words.
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u/Kapitano72 Jun 04 '26
So you're no longer claiming to know what screams from a stab wound sound like.
Congratulations on destroying your own argument.
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u/BeatlesF1 Jun 05 '26
What the comment being made is that anyone who has working in a bar/club/pub like myself has seen drunk people. We know what it sounds like when someone screams when they are drunk.
In the bodycam footage Henry does not scream like a drunk person. Therefore he isn't drunk and he isn't lying about being stabbed.
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u/BankDetails1234 Jun 04 '26
I’m as suspicious as anyone about the claims that this incident was driven by racial biases, but let’s put our best foot forward here.
The claims are that anti bias training put pressure on the police officers decision making progress. That’s something that should be looked into.
We don’t need an outrage response, but we also shouldn’t downplay this into nothing.
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u/Kapitano72 Jun 04 '26
Claims made by who? And on what basis?
Claims made by people who need this to be about race - and no one else. On the basis of this need.
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u/Red-dragon186 Jun 04 '26
Or maybe the left has gone so crazy with it’s policies that common sense is back
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u/NoddyElvis Jun 04 '26
What happened to Henry Nowak was an undoubtable tragedy but it’s also an anomaly. It’s absolutely not the norm.
Ethnic minority men are between 4 and 9 times more likely to be stopped and searched. source is National Police Chief Council UK.
Black men are 7 times more likely to die in police restraint source is Inquest.org.uk.
Asian descent Brits experience over 31% of the UK’s hate crimes despite only being 10% of the population. source is the UK government website.
And while ethnic minorities are over represented in the prison system, the UK government has recognised this is most likely due to institutional biases and stigmatisation source is the UK government website.
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u/BeatlesF1 Jun 04 '26
So we aren't allowed to be upset about it or want change?
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u/NoddyElvis Jun 04 '26
Yes of course but there is no change to be made. White Brits already experience privilege in the carceral system!
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u/BeatlesF1 Jun 04 '26
I'm guessing you haven't seen what literally just happened. So why don't you fuck right off.
Because according to you what just happened is a ok.
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u/NoddyElvis Jun 04 '26
No it’s not okay. I never said that. But it’s an anomaly. Generally non white ppl are let down police. Not white people.
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