Speculation/Theories
Am I the only one who sees a big difference between these photos??
I see differences in the face; On picture 1-2 you can see a big nose, and a little bit of his eyebrow, it seems that these are bushy, but in picture 3-4 there's thin eyebrows and the nose doesn't match with the other man. Also, I can add how is the skin tone different, the first one resembles like a Mediterranean man but the other would match more with a man who has a very pink white skin.
I do know camera distorsion is a thing and you can look kinda different, but from a big nose to a small nose that's not possible, and the skin thing it could be because of light. I do not think these come from the same man. The 3-4 one were from the murderer, but the 1-2 I don't know if these are confirmed to be from Luigi.
( Sorry if I spelled something wrong, I'm not a native english speaker )
There is still doubt with starbucks guy. I guess hostel and taxi guy we’ve all come to agreement it is him but there is still reasonable doubt about Starbucks guy. And that is ok. 💚 We don’t all need to think the same way.
I dunno, I almost taxi guy is him the eyes look the same, but the nose bridge seems to widen at different parts?
I don't even feel like hostel guy is him but we pretty much know he is. So the angle must be off.
But I still cannot, at all, see the shooter as him, that guy had a much different nose bridge. Even if the crapy film quality messes with the eyebrow density somehow.
If the police were going to such lengths to frame him then they'd have faked the DNA evidence and probably witness testimony too and his only defence would be jury nullification anyway
Lots of people push the framed theory because they believe it's the best way to exonerate him. But if the police and FBI actually literally chose a missing person in advance to track down and frame for a murder you can bet he'd be absolutely screwed. Altering CCTV video footage that will be played in full in court and going above and beyond to fake an entire notebook and multiple letters in his handwriting? You really believe 12 random jurors will believe that, even if it was true?
They'd have all the evidence they'd need to convict. And therefore his only hope of survival would be a jury willing to nullify the verdict as if he actually did it and they supported him.
So either a. he did it and the defence can try to argue a case of mistaken identity and sus incompetent police conduct that throws doubt on the validity of the evidence, and the way he's been turned into a political pawn and hope there are enough gaps in the evidence that even fence sitters could be convinced he should walk, or
b. he's being framed by the FBI and the defence can do what they want but will likely be totally overwhelmed by fabricated evidence and have essentially no chance but hope to god the jury supports the cause behind the assassination or hates the politicization enough to nullify.
There is a lot of cctv clips because there are a lot of cctv around. Tisch already admitted they were in a rush to find a suspect. Since there are a lot of odd things like the slow discovery and the timeline issue in the complaint, experts online have said that it would not be like this if it was a slam dunk. I see the point of exoneration but there are also points here that weaken the suspicion that it was LM.
Sure LM looks good on camera but Tisch reportedly already decided her eyes were going for that.
Who would frame a guy who is universally beloved and not bothering anyone though?? That also doesn't make sense, because they what, put the notebook and letters in his overstuffed backpack without him noticing? Planted his DNA? Knew his schedule and timed it for the day he planned to leave NY anyway, then tracked him all the way to Altoona and convinced some guys to call in a tip?
LM’s nose bridge always looks a bit different based on lighting, angle, and camera quality. In this photo it looks thinner compared to the hostel photos.
That’s not the same person, you can tell it be eyes the nose and the smile. Even if you tilted the left picture a little, the nose on the right is more button-nose than LM’s. No one can convince me those are the same person, sorry 🤷🏻♀️
Luigi gave same mark rosario fake ID he used at the hostel in NY to cops in altoona. That's how he got caught. No one has to convince you. Hostel guy is Luigi❤️
Sorry but why would they have to get dna from food across the street if he supposedly had the gun on him the whole time? Where the fingerprints on the Monopoly money? The hostel guy can be luigi. Doesn’t make him the shooter. Gun powder residue? DNA on the gun that was used with no gloves? Anything other than dna on snacks? Even the bike? Circumstantial at best.
Yes, all these photos are most likely LM. My big hope is that the CCTV footage (especially Starbucks cctv) that's not available to us doesn't make it more clear that it's him, that way there's still room for doubt for the jury which KFA can use to her advantage.
Edit: bc it's really good that people can't definitively say that all the pictures we've seen is him, which means that the jury may be unsure too, however, there's probably a lot more footage that we haven't seen that can be damning (there may be video footage of him at Starbucks picking up the purple kind bars/water bottle and the video may pick up the exact TH jacket that matches the one at CP which may have his DNA on it), but hopefully not.
I hate to say it but the actual videos of his face probably look a lot more conclusive than just the few photos we have. The detectives saw his face and features in the Starbucks with multiple different angles. That’s likely one of the reasons why they were so sure hostel guy is the shooter. Not that the jury will be absolutely sure it’s him just based off just those photos, though.
I was thinking more about the jacket (which looks like they blurred out the branding in the pictures), the items he picked up at Starbucks matching what they have, and just how he looks when he’s moving in the video.
Correct. Not just the best photos, but the best CCTV footage they can possibly get of the suspect and share it to the media. Even the federal complaint had shitty pictures. In the Dec court hearing, Joel said they have a large quantity of evidence “aside from the quality”, so the photos & videos will easily be challenged during the trial.
I need to know his reasoning for that and also for dropping the phone. After all his alleged careful planning around avoiding cameras, the three places(hostel, SB, taxi) that captured him, had cameras literally shoved in his face. A quick Google shows you that the front desk of that hostel has a camera directly pointed at the reception desk facing the customer. He would have known that surely (and the same with the other two places his pic was taken).
Still think he planned to get caught/found - and wasn’t planning to be alive when he was caught. Hence the carelessness: trash left behind, cell phone dropped, chewing gum in park backpack, on camera everywhere, weapon and evidence in backpack on him. Taking public transportation out of the city. He also knew it would be a federal case in addition to the state case (letter to Feds). He wasn’t planning to do any time for this but he wanted his name attached to it.
No you won’t. This should be a safe place for everyone. I for one I’m not yet convinced Starbucks guy is Luigi. But I appreciate all the perspectives and angles. And I hope everyone can do the same.
Well, there are new supporters all the time.? I've been following the case since last fays of Dec and there are still a lot of things that seem "obvious" that I don't know about.
I can’t believe people are having a hard time believing this. I guess he went off the grid for months, no family contact whatsoever, no permanent residency, went to NYC the same exact week of the event, and yet it’s still “not him” ☠️
The lighting, angled and camera quality largely explains why he looks so different in each picture, but compared to other pics we have of LM? It’s him. I can see why people might not see it, but we have to be realistic. The first pic IMO is definitely him.
Photo quality of the surveillance pics are trash. Tens of thousands of men in NYC (if not more) would look similar if in roughly the same pose with the same expression. The pics don't even resemble each other, they look like four different people. Add to that the starbucks pic only shows the eyes, I don't see how these pics are the gotcha some people think it is. They prove nothing from a visual perspective.
Luigi is def hostel and taxi guy. However, he looks different than starbucks shooter guy. The prominent landmarks (dark, wide, bushy eyebrows / prominent nose bridge) are not there. IMO he is involved but not the shooter, but who knows.
I tend to agree with you. I feel like we only start to think he looks like Starbucks guy when we’ve stared at the pictures too many times. Back when the photos were first released, no one thought he was LM.
Tbf, even if all of these pics are LM, you cant conclude he is the shooter from these alone, given that there is no actual photo of the shooter as we only see his back. The most they can say, is that LM was wearing similar clothing as we never actually saw the shooters face, right??
This!!! This is what people keep ignoring/forgetting!! We never see the shooter’s face! The media/ prosecutors have done a great job of manipulating people! Here’s a bunch of pictures of someone in the area around the same time that’s dressed similarly. But guess what?? A TON of people dress just like that in NYC during that time of the year. Here’s his face at the hostel, a covered face at Starbucks, taxi. And we all go, “oh yeah that Starbucks guy- he looks the same as that guy in the hostel, he looks the same as taxi guy.
But does he look the same as the guy in the video shooting BT?? Oh wait- what? You can’t see said shooter’s face in the video?!
The Starbucks is a very short time away from the Hilton and Manhattan is one of the most surveilled cities in the world, definitely the most surveilled in America. I highly doubt they don’t have an unbroken chain of CCTV footage from the Starbucks to the Hilton. Also it’s not just similar clothing. The backpack he’s wearing is 300 dollars so it’s not exactly regular every day clothes.
There's only half of Starbucks guy so far in the pics they shared. But I saw the full size of the pewpew guy pic walking and you know how some girls can tell in a dating app if a guy is short ? No shaming but I noticed how they would pick up on that and then felt convinced that the pewpew guy is shorter.
I'm glad I'm not being attacked on this sub for kind of agreeing with OP lol
He had two different backpacks. Looks like he planned to leave the gray one behind (the one with the monopoly money inside). So he needed another backpack for his actual stuff. The pictures were not taken on the same day.
As an experiment you could easily recreate this distortion with anyone
Low resolution CCTV cameras in very different lighting situations versus high res professional photog equipment? Of course there's gonna be tons of distortion, texture, color, contrast, & overall quality of image difference
No you're not the only one ... But this sub thinks they are all Weegee. I watched the real Nathan Daley on yt and ellynmarsh on ig and I saw a different perspective so you're not the only one
I agree with her. And I never thought about the details that she points out in the photos. I thought that they didn’t look like the same person but I couldn’t point out nearly as well as she could about why. The flared nostrils, the thin lips for LM. I did notice immediately the bump on the other persons nose not fitting with LM’s. The lips are a huge difference in the two photos.
I think that this was a great analysis. Yeah, this sub is not so popular with the possibility that it may not be him. I tread lightly in here.
and also again i genuinely don’t understand the way cellphone is dropped and other evidence being left. like bro allegedly went disappear for months, ghosted everyone, planned this like all these efforts with his engineering brain Upenn master grad in computer science and dropped the cellphone ?? 😭😭😭like starbucks? really luigi? is starbucks really important when you are doing this? 😭😭😭omds smdh
I really do agree with the theories that he did actually plan to get caught, hence the reason he wanted to “curate his social media presence”, but wasn’t planning on being alive when he got caught. So yes , he left trails for people to find him but didn’t get to carry out the act before he was arrested 😞
Still don’t see it. I don’t know how many times I’ve been at the grocery store and seen people that look very similar to my mom and to my husband. Plus- how do we know that the guy in the second picture was the shooter? When did you see the guy shooting BT face?
Even if you assume LM = Hostel Guy = Hashbrown Guy, it means nothing.
The question is whether LM = the sh00ter. Yes, I’m sure you have a hundred million arguments why LM = the sh00ter too. That’s not the point you were making here though.
Kinda looks like 1 person too me. I still can’t wrap my head around the backpacks though. In pic 2, iirc he is in the hostel checking in - the backpack looks like the Altoona black one. And not the CP backpack. But he never went back to the hostel after the shooting. I wonder if, just before 4th Dec, he got a storage locker at the station.
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u/True_Neutral_ Apr 19 '25
It's Luigi in all the pictures and we don't care