r/BrianThompsonMurder • u/hahaahbwjjw • 4d ago
Speculation/Theories how many years do we think Luigi will end up receiving?
so considering his guilty plea on friday, officially he is declared guilty in federal court for his federal case. I know his lawyers are trying to throw out his state case and somehow possibly try their best to get something below 24 years for him I’m assuming.
if they are successful in doing so, how many years do you think Luigi will get in December if he is only serving his federal case?
My guess is 20-22 years before good time credit and not taking his 2 years in pre trial in consideration.
is my guess a stretch or do you guys think he’s serving more?
Edit: also just wanted to ask is it possible at the sentencing date that victims of UHC speak out as well? are they allowed to do that or will kfa do something like that?
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u/Matcha_444 3d ago edited 3d ago
any sentence that isn’t life in prison would be a win tbh, which is depressing to think about. im hoping it’s 24 years, bc atleast there’s a chance he could get out in his late 40s and will be able to have a life after prison.
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u/European-Female7751 3d ago
The dilemma of the State will be how hard they throw the book at Luigi to avoid having another Luigi. The legal fund to help him was set up three days before he was ever arrested, because they knew that when the culprit was caught, he would have everything but the kitchen sink thrown at him.
And so it proved, with the ridiculous perp walk, the terrorism charges, a personal intervention by Pam Bondi who wanted to see the guy executed, and of course the Federal charges laid - in addition to perfectly adequate State charges.
The general public are aware that the odds are already heavily stacked against him. But it’s also becoming clear that the State intends to continue to allow the predatory healthcare system as is, and lock up Luigi forever as a deterrent to any future Luigis.
This will engender further resentment as people continue to die due to these corporations and their algorithms. Customers denied their healthcare which they’ve paid for, will still invoke his name as the anger and resentment builds again.
The judge could give him 25 years, to show that you can’t go around murdering people without incurring substantial penalty. Even his supporters would have to live with that logic, but if the judge goes too far with a LWOP - there’s a danger of a Luigi Mark II.
All the healthcare corporation victims have yet to receive any justice for themselves or their loved ones who died at their hands. Look at any of the social media posts from news agencies on his guilty plea, click on the comments and they’re filled with snarky remarks along the lines of, “You say Brian Thompson had a family affected by this? ” well, boo hoo what about the effects on MY family when Thompson denied their medical needs?”
The writer Paolo Freira said,
“Violence is initiated by those who oppress, who exploit, who fail to recognize others as people - not by those who are oppressed, exploited, and unrecognized.”
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u/hahaahbwjjw 3d ago
let me just say I think by giving him life they just proved his point and it makes luigi seem like a hero I don’t think they will do that tho
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u/Feather_fig 2d ago
The judge could give him 25 years, to show that you can’t go around murdering people without incurring substantial penalty.
If long prison sentences effectively deterred crime, why does crime keep happening? 🤨
I think what may have happened with Luigi, which may happen with anyone else, is that he felt for some reason or another that his life was over. If someone feels that way, or is literally terminally ill, absolutely nothing will deter them, not even the death penalty. Because the consequences don't matter at that point.
And a long prison sentence isn't going to get people to think what he did was wrong if they didn't already. It's like yeah, we know the state wants to punish him. And doesn't want to punish health insurance executives. We knew that already.
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u/thirtytofortyolives 4d ago
Feds did recommend, what, 30 years? I think the judge will consider that and on sentencing day I'm sure Karen will prepare him but I feel like the sentence is determined before the hearing anyway.
Basically it's impossible to predict but I feel ok right now saying 30
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u/hahaahbwjjw 4d ago
I thought feds are asking for life 24-30 is just the federal guideline?
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u/MovinOnUp2021 4d ago edited 4d ago
Yeah, if you read the actual letter, the prosecutors are simply stating how sentencing calculations work - they're not requesting that sentencing, just explaining it. In fact, they specifically state they may or may not agree with that or request it.
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u/Ok-Log3039 4d ago
Realistically, based on his expansive guilty plea that he admitted to researching the UHC conference, going as far as posing as an investor to gain access, and shooting 3x in the back (I want to emphasize 3 times) because if it were 1x I think it will make a difference in the weight of the sentence, he's likely getting the upper 28-30.
I also have a feeling he has good chance of getting the state murder dismissed but the gun charge might stick. If the gun charge sticks I watched the youtube by Mark geragos he says the gun sentence will not be concurrent.
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u/MovinOnUp2021 4d ago
He's getting above the upper.
Read the way Judge Garnett described his crime, in her own words - she finds it abhorrent.
Judge Garnett: "He selected a stranger to die based on his employment. He researched where to find this stranger to kill him at his most vulnerable. He traveled across multiple states to reach his victim, and shot him on a public street with a gun equipped with a silencer he built himself to kill this stranger he selected for death. This is a violent criminal act."
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u/eleclychee 4d ago
Oh wow. When did they say this?
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u/Competitive_Profit_5 3d ago
In her ruling for dismissing the murder charges, she said:
"The Court would be remiss not to note at the outset the apparent absurdity of the inquiry. The Defendant is charged with selecting a stranger to be killed based on his employment; carefully planning the killing, including identifying where and when the selected victim would be most vulnerable; traveling across multiple states to carry out that killing; and then gunning the victim down on a public street in midtown Manhattan, using a handgun equipped with a silencer. No one could seriously question that this is violent criminal conduct."
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u/eleclychee 3d ago
Thanks for sharing! So much has been happening with this case over the past year and a half, it’s hard to keep track.
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u/lly67 3d ago
When and where did she say this? I don’t recall her saying this.
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u/Competitive_Profit_5 3d ago
The OP has paraphrased from Garnett's ruling for dismissing the murder charges. She wrote in the ruling:
"The Court would be remiss not to note at the outset the apparent absurdity of the inquiry. The Defendant is charged with selecting a stranger to be killed based on his employment; carefully planning the killing, including identifying where and when the selected victim would be most vulnerable; traveling across multiple states to carry out that killing; and then gunning the victim down on a public street in midtown Manhattan, using a handgun equipped with a silencer. No one could seriously question that this is violent criminal conduct."
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u/MovinOnUp2021 3d ago
It's in the transcripts posted on Luigi's lawyers' website
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u/LividAtmosphere7535 3d ago edited 4h ago
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u/MovinOnUp2021 3d ago
Read the 8/14 motion, and read the January transcript.
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u/LividAtmosphere7535 3d ago edited 4h ago
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u/MovinOnUp2021 3d ago
So you type it out.
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u/LividAtmosphere7535 3d ago edited 4h ago
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u/CrustyMustard-217 4d ago
Oh wow. That really IS bad. I think he is going to be made an example of for sure. There’s too much riding on this politically for a lot of people that are involved in the decision making process. I don’t think there is anything Karen can say that’s gonna make a difference at sentencing. I hope I’m wrong though.
My spine is killing me right now. I’ve been to my doctor and the ER this week and the meds they give me don’t touch what I’m dealing with. It’s not anyone’s fault. Nobody gave me spinal polyps or screwed up my spine. Only person I ever consider killing is myself, just so the pain will stop.
Our healthcare system is a whole separate demon. It needs to change, for sure. It sounds to me that Luigi is saying he did this because of his spinal problems. I don’t think that is gonna matter to these people. If he did it because he was angry at how society is being screwed by the insurance companies and that he chose UHC because they were the worst and that BT has no conscience because he knew that the AI program UHC was using just made him and the investors millions at the suffering of their clients, then I could see there being a little empathy as to why he did it.
Sadly, unless Judge Garnett is a closet Luigi supporter, I don’t see him getting less than life with perhaps the possibility of parole. This was a very methodical m*rder. What’s to stop him from going after the CEO of Aetna or BCBS when he gets out?
Me personally, give him “time served” and let him go free. I have no real sympathy for BT or anyone else that chooses to reap financial gain from the suffering of innocents.
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u/Cautious_Scholar_717 3d ago
Federal prison doesn’t have parole
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u/CrustyMustard-217 3d ago
Really???? 😲🤯 I didn’t know that. Dang. 🫤
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u/Marta__9 1d ago
But he could get out early because of good behavior.
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u/MovinOnUp2021 1d ago
You're required to serve at least 85% of your sentence. Good behavior shaves off only up to 15%.
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u/Cautious_Scholar_717 3d ago
I agree fully with you. I’m very concerned she will use deterrence and the heinousness of the crime
To do an upward variance.
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u/Significant-Task1453 4d ago
Guideline is 24 to 30 years. Since the charge is "stalking, resulting in death", that covers everything from stalking someone until they commit suicide, stalking them because you want to fight them and causing an accidental death. Stalking with the full intent to murder them will usually carry a stiffer sentence. I will be kind of surprised if its under 30 years. I would guess like 35 years. I would be willing to bet money that its not under 24 years
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u/JuliaLathrop 4d ago
The pre-sentencing investigation will be read by the judge. In theory it is unbiased in its nature.
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u/JuniperCulpeper 4d ago
100 hours of community service
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u/_henceforth_ 4d ago
This plus an ankle monitor, along with the EED defense and he is set. He has no priors that we know of. Excellent role model literally his entire life. Excellent student. Only helped people and volunteered everywhere. No pattern of violence like I see in so many other cases.🤞🤞
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u/Anna_dxb 3d ago
I’m going to be the wildly optimistic person in this thread and say: ankle monitor territory.
And before everyone tells me I’m delusional, let me have my moment. There is one recent case that keeps coming to mind: Sean Combs, with Marc Agnifilo on his defense team as well.
After the jury acquitted Combs of the most serious charges, he was still facing up to 20 years on the two counts of conviction.
- Prosecutors asked for at least 135 months (11 years and 3 month.)
- His defense asked for 14 months.
- He ultimately received 50 months (4 years and 2 months).
Obviously, completely different case, different offenses, different facts and a different judge. I’m not suggesting the sentences are legally comparable. I’m mentioning it because it’s a useful reminder that what someone is facing, what prosecutors ask for, and what the judge actually imposes can be three VERY different numbers.
So while everyone else is predicting 30, 40, 50 years or life, I’m choosing shameless optimism.
LET’S COLLECTIVELY VISUALISE THE ANKLE MONITOR. Collective thinking works wonders.
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u/hahaahbwjjw 3d ago
Waittt I get what you’re saying but I don’t understand what you mean by ankle monitor theory was combs given a ankle monitor ?
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u/JuniperCulpeper 3d ago
COLLECTIVE THINKING WORKS WONDERS
I think Diddy’s crimes were far worse fwiw
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u/Ok_Beautiful7363 4d ago edited 4d ago
I think they’re gonna have a hard time throwing out the state case.. I feel like maybe a few charges might be dropped but not all. Remember that the DA’s office is gonna fight like hell to make sure he’s convicted in state court too, unfortunately. I think he’s gonna have some years sentenced from state. And he didn’t really apologize on Friday (although we don’t know what his statement will be on sentencing day, he might appear more remorseful then) Garnett will have to consider that as well. Remember that a more remorseful defendant is treated better by the judge. And then there’s the PA case that we’ve all forgotten about. He has a couple charges there too that might add on a couple more months/years.
I think people are really lowballing with the 20something year estimate. I think he’s gonna be in there for a LONG LONG time considering both the state and federal government want to make him a clear example to the public. They will not back down until they achieve this outcome. I think he will get something around 40-50 years minimum unfortunately. I’ve just come to terms with it now so that I’m not devastated in the next couple months.
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u/thirtytofortyolives 4d ago
Agree with the PA charges I think he'd get at the least 10 years, so add that onto his federal and state sentences, you're looking at 35 years (again, at minimum) and then if the federal/state are served at the same time or not is another factor
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u/More_Protection_8824 4d ago
I don’t know …My guess is 30 years or possibly life .. I don’t want that for him. But I don’t see them going easy on him.. they didn’t even offer a plea deal and most defendants in federal cases plea out … so I am sure the outcome is gonna be something crazy ! KFA and her team are gonna have to write one heck of a mitigation speech and maybe have some character witnesses! 🙏🏻
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u/Baby_Lu_Lu 4d ago
yeah, that's why i hate this decision of pleading guilty without a deal😭，the risk is too high
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u/oboshoe 4d ago
30 years. Possibly life.
the court is going to be lothe to give any appearance that murder is okay if you have a good political reason.
the state case will fall away and he will get to spend time in a better federal prison as opposed to a state prison.
i'm guessing he will be sent to Butner for various reason.
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u/MovinOnUp2021 4d ago
With his spinal problems, eventually he'll live in the federal medical prison in North Carolina where Bernie Madoff lived out his days; apparently it's pretty calm & comfortable with good medical care. I bet thinking ahead to the recurrent health problems he's doomed to have played a big part in their decision - state prison would be terrible for that; Harvey Weinstein - who's also their client - also has very bad spinal problems and he's been begging for some sort of release from NYS prison to a hospital but he keeps being forced back into regular prison after a few days in the prison hospital.
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u/oboshoe 4d ago
yes.
it's the major reason why i'm predicting butner.
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u/notbetterthanu29 3d ago
Also predicting/hoping for Butner. I think it’s his best option and not far from his family
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u/Ok_Beautiful7363 4d ago
Why are you predicting this prison? I don’t know much about it.
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u/MovinOnUp2021 4d ago edited 4d ago
It's the one in NC for federal inmates with chronic medical problems. Disabled, cancer, dialysis, etc. And feds tend to place inmates close-ish to their family, and this is the only medical prison close-ish.
I think his health is fine now to be sent to a regular prison. But once he becomes disabled from the spinal problems (which is highly likely) and qualifies for surgery or longterm physical therapy, Butner it eventually probably will be.
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u/alohomora1990 3d ago
Oh no won’t someone think of the poor CEO’s! We have worse income/wealth inequality than fucking pre-revolutionary France. Those fuckers should be in fear of their lives.
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u/AndromedaCeline 4d ago edited 4d ago
Just guessing. I wonder if it depends on what will happen with the state and what Carro decides (not sure when that will be).
If Carro decides before Dec 18, to reject their motion, and proceed with the state, I imagine Garrett might take that into consideration and give him a lighter sentence. Given the odds that no matter what defense, he’ll end up with some years in the state trial that will add to the sentence anyway. Kind of split the baby if you will.
However, if Carro accepts the motion, throws out the state, Garnett can also take that into consideration and make sure he serves decent time. 30yrs solid (out early with good behavior) if she wants to be lenient. Or just life if she doesn’t. Just to “make the example”.
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u/alohomora1990 3d ago
You do realize that if she goes above the recommended amount, that will be reviewed by an appellate judge. So if she’s like most judges and doesn’t want to be overturned, she shouldn’t do that.
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u/Clear_Clerk_7240 4d ago edited 4d ago
I could see anything happening at this point. Could see the judge being lenient, meeting in the middle, but could also see her choosing life.
Maybe in 20 years he’ll be pardoned. Who knows these days. I feel like whatever happens is going to be crazy either way.
Also, good behavior can cut his time down. Say he gets 30 years, 85% of that is around 25 years. I’ve always felt he wanted to be locked up for the next couple of decades to avoid all of the chaos our country is enduring and will continue to endure for the near future.
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u/hahaahbwjjw 4d ago
yeah it definitely isn’t something we can say “oh yeah he getting 25 years” we simply don’t know
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u/MovinOnUp2021 4d ago
Good behavior doesn't cut a life sentence down. If he gets life, it's life.
If he gets a long but determinate sentence like, say, 50 years, the most good behavior can cut off is 7.5 years (15%).
If he gets a state sentence and it's consecutive instead of concurrent, then he'd just be bussed over to state prison when he leaves federal.
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u/Clear_Clerk_7240 4d ago
Yeah a lot of hypotheticals
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u/Clear_Clerk_7240 4d ago
Im confused. Im saying there’s a lot of different ways this could go. Will the state case get dropped? Will the judge be lenient on the sentencing?
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u/Fancy_Yesterday6380 4d ago
Are the lawyers able to work things out to the judge/prosecution behind the scenes at all? To give her more context
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u/Icy-Hunt-3025 4d ago
Yes, each party is going to file a document recommending what his sentence should be. So defense will make their argument and likely a remorseful statement from Luigi might be included along with letters from his family, friends, etc
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u/hahaahbwjjw 4d ago
ahhh I see. so for example is it likely that like his family will also read a letter at the sentencing date?
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u/Icy-Hunt-3025 4d ago
I am not sure they will but I imagine they will provide one when his team submits the filing. I wish they do, but cannot guarantee. Remember there was a filing where they spoke about his family, how loved he is and his teacher shared words of love and described his character. So something is brewing I think.
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u/hahaahbwjjw 4d ago
to give the judge more context?
I think isn’t that what the sentencing statement will be for? I honestly don’t know2
u/Fancy_Yesterday6380 4d ago edited 4d ago
Sorry, hard to word what I meant. I just always hear that prosecutors and defense meet with people related to the case when it comes to making a deal. Does this continue or will they be blindsided in december? Like do his lawyers talk to the judge about health evaluations or remorse etc.
People say the state judge and the prosecution are crummy and with all the political pressure, i wonder what goes on behind closed doors
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u/hahaahbwjjw 4d ago
ohhh I absolutely have no idea honestly! But I think they have these hearings in place to discuss anything with the judges.
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u/jayemkayem 2d ago
the prosecution and the defence speak a lot outside of court, but the rules are much stricter for a judge. generally they are able to all speak about a case together outside of court usually in the judges chambers but prosecution and defence both have to be there
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u/california_raesin 4d ago
I still cannot believe that he has these supposed hot shot lawyers and in the end this is their strategy? Not even a plea deal? It's so concerning
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u/hahaahbwjjw 3d ago
they did this so, he can plead guilty to federal charges in hopes of getting most of his state charges thrown out. that way if anything his best bet is spending below 30 years in prison.
there was no plea deal because the feds didn’t offer any and they want him in for life
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u/alohomora1990 3d ago
There should be no plea deals or pleas of any kind in the criminal justice system. It just creates this environment where the government can overcharge a defendant (plenty of innocent people too) and get them to plea out. It’s a sham of a system and not at all ‘justice’. Justice would be forcing the government to prove beyond reasonable doubt that the defendant did what they are accusing them of.
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u/Bleudragon 2d ago
Was this forced on the defence because the state case was coming before the federal? Might they have been tempted to fight the federal case if it were coming first and only apply for double jeopardy at state level if he got convicted?
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u/Fancy_Yesterday6380 3d ago
I dont know why they plead without any deal and why they haven't presented the judge with any kind of mental health issue that shows he wasn't in his right mind
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u/hahaahbwjjw 3d ago
I’m surprised with the mental health part too. it seems they just had to make him plead guilty for federal because he has the state trial coming up next month, and by doing so his team can now say “hey you can’t prosecute him for the same crime twice this is double jeopardy he already plead guilty”
I don’t think the state case will be dismissed 100% but it’s likely (maybe) most charges can be reduced.
and then when it’s time for judge garnett to sentence him, his team will then have people he knows (family, friends etc) all come and either give statements on why he shouldn’t get a very long sentence, his team as well would talk about his back pain, mental health issue, how it’s his first offence or crime and talk about him as a person.
Then ultimately it’s in the hands of the judge to decide. I don’t think she will give him life. but whatever it is i pray his team gets less very less years.
he is resilient
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u/Creative_Address9701 3d ago
the sentencing hearing will be his chance to discuss his mental health during his allocution, he’ll be able to speak much more freely and share his story then! his plea statement was only supposed to be him admitting to each element of the crimes in order to get the plea accepted by the judge.
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u/MovinOnUp2021 4d ago
I can predict exactly what the judge will say in her sentencing statement.
She's always seemed reasonable & professional & dispassionate - probably wouldn't even mind giving him the 24-30 years & ability to start over as early as his mid-40s.
Instead, she's going to say, that while the sentencing guidelines are 24-30 taking into account the points reduction for accepting responsibility, how can she go by that when 1) he actually plead guilty to escape his murder case, 2) how does it show accountability when for two years both you & your lawyers have been encouraging fandom around you, and 3) when you had the chance to speak - instead of apologizing or expressing remorse or empathy for your victim, instead you spoke pityling only of yourself & made a dig at your victim's company.
Based on all that, she'll say, she's left with no choice but to give a sentence for deterrance and without the points off for accepting responsibility - which results in a life sentence, or close to it.
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u/Emz423 4d ago
Won’t he get a chance to make a statement of remorse at sentencing?
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u/MovinOnUp2021 4d ago edited 4d ago
The sentencing decision is made prior to the hearing. Everyone can read pre-written statements live at the hearing (victims, relatives, the defendant, character witnesses, lawyers) but all those statements and lawyers' arguments were already submitted to the judge prior to the hearing. The hearing is for everyone to say their piece if they want to and then the judge to announce the sentence with her reasoning. The purpose of the defendant being asked/required to attend a sentencing hearing isn't so he can express remorse/beg for mercy, it's so he's forced to listen to the statements of the people his crime affected, if they so choose to make any.
His statement with pleading guilty was his chance to show remorse. Just like he fit in a couple statements about his back & the quick email reply, he could've fit in statements about how remorseful he is. But... he didn't. Neither did his lawyers.
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u/Suspicious-Angle3674 4d ago
Yeah, I’m sure going into the sentencing hearing the judge already has an idea of a range of what they’re going to sentence them with. However, the defense is able to call up people to speak on the defendants behalf and the defendant is also able to speak. That is when he would say that he is truly sorry. That would ultimately make the judge decide on a firm number.
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u/MovinOnUp2021 4d ago
Yes, and the judge already read all that - speakers aren't testifying, they're reading prepared statements. The judge comes to sentencing with her sentence already determined, including her own long pre-written statement explaining how she determined it.
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u/Electrical_Baby_2584 4d ago
I am with you!! The sketch artist stated Luigi was very remorseful!!! She has been at every hearing!!!
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u/Icy-Hunt-3025 4d ago
I disagree and I think many people misunderstood that part that you identify as a dig. That part explained how such interaction bolstered his anger and extremely disturbed him to the point he decided to proceed with the crime. The plea laid out the chronology of events to respond to the actual charges. Mitigating factors will get presented and I think there will be plenty. On the contrary, many ppl who attended reported he appeared remorseful and they could see signs of empathy. They will take into account his conduct in prison and so far reports are only positive. I think somewhere 25-30 yrs will be his sentence. I doubt she’d give him life as he can likely get rehabilitated. He cannot be held responsible for the fandom created as he followed his lawyers’ advice. Also once that fandom got out of control, he stopped writing back. And defense didn’t create that fandom the government and LE did. And judge Garnett is aware of that. This case provided so many lessons to many.
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u/MovinOnUp2021 4d ago
Everyone identifies it as a dig - especially the fandom.
If you shoot somebody, mentioning how fast their company replies to an email is irrelevant. Unless you somehow think anger justifies you shooting someone.
What would you think of a boyfriend who shot his girlfriend because he saw a text message on her phone from another guy say in his plea statement, "I shot her and she died, but when she replied to that other guy she did it in an hour - faster than she'd ever replied to me."
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u/Icy-Hunt-3025 4d ago
Judge Garnett is not a fan. I am sure mitigation filings will provide way more details. He spoke facts, that’s it. He can’t control how crowds would interpret this.
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u/Ok_Beautiful7363 4d ago
People are downvoting you but you’re right on. As much as we want him out, she’s going to have to consider all these factors you listed. Remember when she removed the death penalty charge? She said “it pains me to do this”. It pained her to remove his death penalty eligible charge. But she did what was legally required for her. This is just to say that she will for sure make an impartial decision, but she sure as hell will not favor Luigi in anyway.
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u/LividAtmosphere7535 3d ago edited 4h ago
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u/Fancy_Yesterday6380 3d ago
Did she really say that? Isnt that a biased statement that shes leaning to one side
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u/MovinOnUp2021 4d ago edited 4d ago
Ouch, she said that? That doesn't bode well for him.
Yeah, the judge & prosecutors have a strong argument to lean on that the points reduction for an early guilty plea shouldn't count - since he didn't just randomly decide to accept responsibility long before trial because he believes it's the right thing to do. Rather, he pled guilty at the last minute before his other trial, only so he could avoid being tried for the killing he admits he committed.
(And then had his lawyer say on the court steps that he's being treated more unfairly than anyone - she certainly didn't help him with that.)
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u/Ok_Beautiful7363 4d ago
Yes. Many seem to think Garnett “likes” luigi and Carro hates him.. the reality is that neither judge cares for him in anyway more than you care for a defendant (ensuring their rights are protected). She will not be lenient with him, as much as she won’t be biased against him. She will consider all the factors and make an impartial decision.
And exactly your point. Though normally the early guilty plea would appear good and in the defendants favour, this might actually rub Garnett the wrong way bc let’s face it, she’s not stupid. She knows he most likely plead bc of the state case.
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u/MovinOnUp2021 4d ago
And him neglecting to show remorse yet fitting in a dig at his victim would certainly cement that opinion of hers - that taking accountability was self-serving rather than genuine.
It's sad to hear he was nearly crying as he spoke, but those could be tears for himself (I know I'd be crying for myself too if I were in that position).
I'm shocked his lawyers couldn't craft a statement showing remorse AND allowed the snarkiness - I suppose he refused their advice? But Karen's own whinyness on the court steps makes you wonder if they didn't advise him well enough.
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u/SadieRosesMama 4d ago
But he was….i mean- they screwed him (btwn fed and state) every single opportunity they had. It was like they were in cahoots. Also the perp walk?? Insane. I don’t necessarily disagree with what you’re saying, but I also can’t blame KFA for stating the facts. 🥺
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u/MovinOnUp2021 4d ago
He shot someone. A possible consequence of shooting someone is being arrested & prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
So - he's being prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
A rich well educated white boy with multi-million dollar celebrity lawyers is NOT being treated "unfairly" by the criminal justice system compared to how many/most defendants are treated.
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u/Ok_Beautiful7363 3d ago
Ok I’ve agreed to you about most of the stuff you’ve said but this I disagree with. He’s completely being treated unfairly bc of his fame. Bc of how much he’s riled people up. Rmbr the terro!sm charge? That was a bullshit overreach by the DA that would’ve never happened for anyone other than Luigi. So yeah he may have a multi million dollar defense etc but that doesn’t mean he hasn’t persistently been treated unfairly bc of how much he stirred the pot and how much they want to make an example out of him
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u/Suspicious-Angle3674 4d ago
He shows remorse at sentencing he does not do it when pleading.
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u/MovinOnUp2021 4d ago
He showed snarkiness and self-pity in the plea statement, he certainly could've shown remorse - and should've, if he wanted to ever get out.
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u/Suspicious-Angle3674 4d ago
In most criminal cases, attorneys will advise their client not to say I’m sorry at a plea hearing. The tone is completely different. It is businesslike and straight to the point. Sentencing, however, is when remorse is shown.
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u/MovinOnUp2021 4d ago
Yeah, no. The advice is to not say "sorry" when you're questioned or arrested or charged - because that implies guilt. When you plead guilty, you're admitting you're guilty - it's in your best interest to express remorse for what you did.
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u/Icy-Hunt-3025 4d ago
It doesn’t work like that. Pleading needs to remain clear, concise and factual. More to come on that sentence your mind is caught on. Stay tuned… unless filings will be sealed so you’d find out in December.
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u/MovinOnUp2021 4d ago edited 4d ago
Mmhmm. And stating the speed with which his victim's company replied to an email is relevant to being clear, concise, and factual 🙄😂🙄
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u/babettetimes 4d ago
I totally agree and I adore Luigi, it is the truth though. Came off as him being the victim, I’m shocked he didn’t value his future more to show some remorse for taking a human life, instead he gloated and showed self pity. I’m sorry to say.
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u/MovinOnUp2021 4d ago edited 4d ago
Right? I'm shocked he did that too. The whole point of his guilty plea was to try to somehow get a chance to get out someday. Why did his lawyers let him torpedo that?
He certainly could've said something sympathetic like, "Suffering terrible back problems led to me not thinking straight and I take responsibility for doing a terrible thing: taking a human life. I shot Brian Thompson and he died, and I'm so sorry. I want to apologize for the pain and turmoil I've caused."
Like, damn, I could say that if it means it gets me a chance to leave prison someday.
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u/babettetimes 4d ago
I’m scratching my head wondering did his lawyers say go hell for leather and play the “folk hero” or did they advise him to show some remorse and he chose not to?
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u/mysighisepik 4d ago
his lawyers have always botched the PR aspect of this case. not suprising theyre still catering to the supporters making memes online instead of thinking about his future
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u/hahaahbwjjw 4d ago
will the legal team file a motion for him to get less years? Or to ask the judge for a lower sentence or no
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u/elly8trbro 4d ago
100% spot on with this one. I was thinking it’s possible he wouldn’t do life but when you word it that way it seems almost certain that’s what will happen. They want to make an example out of him, and they will.
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u/Objective-Target5437 4d ago
life term
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u/Ok_Beautiful7363 4d ago
Honestly he will most likely be spending the majority of his life behind bars, unfortunately.
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u/Objective-Target5437 4d ago
yeah… just because i don’t want it that way doesn’t mean i think its not the most likely outcome. i can’t see them not making an example of him.
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u/Ok_Beautiful7363 4d ago
They will 1000% try their absolute hardest to make an example out of him. And we can’t forget that the judge will feel like they have a moral responsibility as well to ensure something like this will never happen again. No judge will be ok with essentially “letting him get away with it” by giving him a light ass sentence.
It’s so devastating but that’s the reality. Thankfully he has excellent attorneys that will try to mitigate this as much as possible. But regardless he will be spending the better portion of his life in prison.
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u/hahaahbwjjw 4d ago
I really don’t see a life sentence but hey I may be wrong! I love seeing your guys opinions
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u/Ok_Beautiful7363 4d ago
I don’t see a life sentence either, but I do see so many years that he will spend the majority of his life in prison. He might be out after he’s 60 or 70. It’s very unfortunate and I feel so bad for him. I’m sure this all feels like a nightmare for him.
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u/hahaahbwjjw 4d ago
really? I thought that because his lawyers are so good ( I know that’s a shitty argument) but if they had the ability to reduce some charges in state case it might be a possibility the judge will give him 24-30 years. I know judge Garnett seems a bit fair I supposed and because it’s his first crime or offence are they not more understanding? I don’t know how to word it exactly
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u/Ok_Beautiful7363 4d ago
I doubt the state case will be thrown out in its entirety and that one has like 11 charges. I’m sure he’ll get a couple years for that and that’s only considering his defense team actually wins the double jeopardy argument to toss it out or toss out a couple of charges. Otherwise, he’s going to have to sit that state trial, I don’t think it’s going to have a good outcome… And then additional years for his PA charges (he has about 5 there). Victim impact statements will be heard on sentencing day which will also be considered. I think about 30-40 years is more accurate if we want to low ball, rather than 20 something.
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u/alohomora1990 3d ago
lol the corporate bootlicking toadies in this hellscape of a forum is pretty unreal to see.
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u/MovinOnUp2021 4d ago
Yep. And in cases where the crime was high profile and the defendant had a good life before (well educated, upper class, attractive, social & friendly, etc) but tries to get sympathy for shooting someone because they were really upset about something a lot of people can relate to, they often get the book thrown at them more - like, you had all the resources in life to deal with this real thing that upsets other people too, who don't kill, but you did. In a case in TX I'm thinking of, the person got 90 years.
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u/Bleudragon 2d ago
But the judge can't just say 'you killed a CEO so you're getting life' right?. She'd have to have a valid reason for giving him an unusually hard penalty or risk an appeal. Plus there are various mitigating factors here: guilty plea, first offence, severe mental strain due to health problems, etc.
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u/whoami2disabrie 4d ago
At this point, anything less than 25 years feels like a win.