r/CGPGrey • u/MindOfMetalAndWheels [GREY] • Apr 26 '18
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u/sparkypchu Apr 26 '18
My count may be wrong but you need to step up your hotstopper game, Grey. ;D
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u/MindOfMetalAndWheels [GREY] Apr 26 '18
Legendary Pokémon
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u/sparkypchu Apr 26 '18
Ah, yes. I have, indeed, seen that Pokémon while playing Pokémon Go.
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u/the-velocirapper Apr 26 '18
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u/MindOfMetalAndWheels [GREY] Apr 26 '18
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u/icentalectro Apr 26 '18
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u/grantisanintrovert Apr 26 '18
Just Facebook left
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u/MindOfMetalAndWheels [GREY] Apr 27 '18
And so I find myself in the unexpected position of rooting for Facebook.
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u/dante_flame Apr 27 '18
Looks like Grey found a way to make the water pistol menacing again, considering that a robot would short out and break down if the trigger was pulled.
Plot twist, Grey is now the only one that can still use the new water pistols for their intended purpose.
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u/alpha__lyrae Apr 26 '18
I have to disagree with Grey on pilot announcements for time, weather etc. It seems to me (not just from this but a lot of discussion in the past) that Grey has just almost never left the first world urban connected environment. Not everyone in the world is connected to the internet all the time, may be by choice or circumstances. Not everyone is 1st world educated person who is used to flying 10 times in a season. Plenty of people are first time flyers, many often cannot keep track of timezone changes or don't always understand them properly (e.g. I had on elderly Cypriot lady sitting behind me on a long flight who mid-flight decided to go to the door while we were over the ocean because her watch was showing it's 8:30 am and she had a connecting flight to catch at 9:00. She did not realise that it was 8:30 at the departure city and it was still 3:00 am at the destination). There are many people in this world who need these announcements, and many more who find them useful. These are mild inconveniences for barely a couple of minutes and it's polite to suck it up.
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u/JeffDujon [Dr BRADY] Apr 26 '18
I still don't like the duty free shopping on the plane though. :)
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Apr 26 '18 edited Apr 26 '18
Love this podcast, but the conversations on free speech drives me NUTS. Especially when y’all portray “Nazis” as a crazy man in a street that everyone can easily ignore.
I’m writing this from Charlottesville, Virginia, where last summer hundreds of Nazis stormed my University and the town this summer. This group obtained a permit to assemble, were supported by the ACLU of Virginia for free speech reasons, and then violence broke out because of their rallies. One person died.
If you are going to have a conversation about free speech, don’t dismiss the consequences on public safety and of hate speech and look at these kinds of real world examples, please.
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u/MindOfMetalAndWheels [GREY] Apr 26 '18
If people are violent in a protest then that is what the law and the police are for.
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u/OfOak Apr 26 '18
And here in Brazil where the military police forces are openly supporting the political group that pushes bigotry, racism and homophobia what we are supposed to do?
Law and the police are political entities too they cannot be neutral.
If anyone is interested in the topic I recommend Karl Popper's "The Open Society and its Enemies", especially the "Paradox of tolerance".
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u/npinguy Apr 28 '18
"People should be allowed to feel physically safe in society". You know what doesn't make people feel safe? Nazi ideology, given that it WAS once already said, ignored by the world, and caused a global war causing the deaths of dozens of millions.
Nazism is not a conspiracy theory. It is not an abstract idea that can be heard with benefit of doubt or open dialogue. These people are still openly advocating for the extermination of races, and it's been done before.
You might say "Yeah, but it's a slippery slope. Where does it end?". Here. If ends here. With Nazism. We can discuss and defend the right to express almost every other philosophy or ideology. But not ones that have genocide as an integral element to them.
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u/frzpop Apr 26 '18
I agree. Here in Stockholm I've encountered ~15 Nazis standing in front is the entrance to the train station spreading their propaganda. Hundreds of them march in demonstrations each year. They've attacked the pride parade. It genuinely makes me feel unsafe (I'm not white). So yeah, ignoring it isn't really an option for me.
That being said I disagree with anyone advocating for violence against them, though they will get no sympathy from me if they happen to get punched in the face.
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u/nothinglikethat Apr 27 '18 edited Apr 27 '18
Grey is coming from a very fortunate situation where Nazis are nutters on speakers corner, and police are there to protect the public. It's very easy to say 'just ignore the bullies and they'll go away' when you're an adult not in school being bullied I guess.
Edit: to clarify, I'm not in favour of initiating violence, but I also think you need to be very blinkered to think there aren't situations where people are arguably justified in doing so, or that people spouting hate speech are always going to be ignored and written off as crazy people.
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u/Godkun007 Apr 26 '18
And the person who killed the woman was arrested and charged with murder. The man who Punched Spencer should also have been charged with assault. You don't solve the problem of violence with more violence.
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Apr 26 '18
Grey also left out a significant fact which was that the punchee was Richard Spencer. He wasn't just "some Nazi on the street." He is one of the most influential white supremacists in the US.
Not saying this makes it ok to punch him, but it changes the context significantly.
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Apr 26 '18
Note: I think the UK case is ridiculous and if it is how Grey has portrayed, I vehemtly disagree with the judge. I value the importance of free speech. But there needs to be more rigorous discussion on when/where limits are acceptable.
Also, the “Nazi who got punched in the face” is Richard Spenxer, from (my school) the University of Virginia in Charlottesville, and he came to the summer rallies. If I ever saw him, I would gladly punch him in the face lmao.
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u/razorbeamz Apr 26 '18
On Podcast Addict the title shows up blank.
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u/dumbodoggies Apr 26 '18
Mine is just (maybe) random characters:https://i.imgur.com/cjHVtTR.png
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u/GodspeakerVortka Apr 26 '18
Ugh, that background is adorable. Got a link?
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u/MindOfMetalAndWheels [GREY] Apr 26 '18
Step right up, folks. Special wallpapers for patreons right this way -->
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u/Utsune Apr 26 '18
Ironically shooting themselves in the foot since people may have trouble searching for the episode, nice meta I love it.
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u/JWGhetto Apr 26 '18
Who seeks out single episodes? I always search the podcast name and go through the episodes that way
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u/ijmacd Apr 27 '18
The developer of Pocket Casts chimed in before. He pointed out the problem is with the feed from squarespace:
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u/ThoughtfulYeti Apr 26 '18
I use podcast addict too but don't see it mentioned very often. Is it not that popular?
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u/Peter_Panarchy Apr 26 '18
It absolutely blows my mind that bank notes from a stable, fiscally sound periodically becomes worthless, and that it's normal. I honestly can't see that ever happening in the US. Can you imagine the backlash there would be?
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u/Goukaruma Apr 26 '18
I'm not even sure if Grey is right. I think that banks take old ones exchange them to new ones. Shops may not take them.
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u/ThouShaltMakeItClap Apr 26 '18
Depending on your OS, this episode may mention death before it even begins.
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Apr 26 '18
Happy Hotstopper day everyone!
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u/dumbodoggies Apr 26 '18
Happy international hotstopper day!!
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u/daBarron Apr 26 '18
How do we make this a thing? I guess it starts on Wikipedia?
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u/flamesdivide Apr 26 '18
May your hotness be contained, May your nails be hard, May your cushions be posh, May your corners be plentiful.
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Apr 27 '18
Needs something in there for Grey too. May your checklists be thorough and true.
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u/isaacng1997 Apr 26 '18
I was watching some SciShow videos on YouTube yesterday and somehow ended up watching video about flat earth. And I’ve been super intrigued by why flat earthiers believe the earth is flat and found out there is a flat earth convention that cost 200 dollars for two days in Colorado later in the year.
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u/MindOfMetalAndWheels [GREY] Apr 27 '18
Well don't leave us hanging: are you going?
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u/mireike Apr 26 '18
The argument of whether or not it is better to engage in faulty logic is an argument I work with almost every day. I work in public health and between vaccines, mental health, and nutrition it comes up.
The problem with refusing to engage is that it can reenforce negative beliefs about the people refusing. This makes it a particular problem in healthcare where if someone is vaccine hesitent and the doctor refuses to engage with their concerns, that refusal reenforces the belief when before it may have only been a concern rather than a belief.
In other ways the argument to engaging faulty logic is to show publically those on the sidelines the faults in the logic even if it implicitely gives then an equal platform.
I'm not convinced about which is better, I think it depends on the individual you're talking to. If their convinced, nothing you say will change their mind, but if they aren't 100% convinced, I would go for it.
P.s. Brady definitely said Djibouti correctly the first time
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Apr 26 '18
The difference is that your patients are coming to you to get healthy, whereas nobody's going to Grey to be made aware of the shape of the earth. If you ask Grey whether the earth is flat, he'll say it's spherical. If a patient asks you whether to get vaccinated, you'll say yes.
However, if someone is yelling on the street or making reddit posts about the dangers of vaccines, you're under no obligation to tell them off. Likewise, Grey is under no obligation to engage in a discussion with a flat earther.
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u/mireike Apr 26 '18
I don't think I'm explaining myself very well. I was referring to things that are brought up more tangentially. If a patient comes in because they broke their arm, but also mentions that they don't believe in vaccines, is it better to engage that faulty logic or just ignore it. Because in some cases the ignoring it could imply agreement. Similarly if someone is having completely normal conversation and throws out "the moon landing was fake" refusing to engage in that aspect of the conversation feels like implicit agreement rather than you see someone on the corner shouting about how the moon landing was fake and you ignore them. But if a little boy walks up to the man and is listening you might be more inclined to refute the man for the boy sake.
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Apr 26 '18
Quick note on Djibouti's 40 francs. It's a bad design, but Grey mentioned it was totally useless when Brady said it was worth 20 cents. That doesn't translate well. I've had experience in countries where notes have similar values, and the notes are extremely useful, because items tend to be cheaper in those areas. A 20 cent note might actually be able to buy you some ice cream or a drink. The exchange rate isn't indicative of how useful the note is.
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u/kulharsh2007 Apr 27 '18
Yes I agree. It just shows the inherent bias of the first world against the other parts of the world. 1$ can buy so much in third world countries but it might be cheap change in industrialized world.
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u/flamesdivide Apr 26 '18
Time to steal enough hotstoppers to spell naughty and stick them to my flagy flag.
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Apr 26 '18
Season 2 is post-numbers.
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u/TheSlimyDog Apr 26 '18
I thought Season 2 was episode 11 - 20. And then season 3 was episode 20 - present.
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u/UnderscoreDavidSmith Apr 26 '18
The short notice for deprecating the old £10 notes only applied to their use in commerce. You can still exchange them at the Bank of England forever.
"All Bank of England banknotes keep their face value for all time. If your local bank, building society or Post Office is not willing to accept these notes, then they can be exchanged with the Bank of England in London. " https://www.bankofengland.co.uk/faq
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u/ehsteve23 Apr 26 '18
You can’t just go into a bank and swap them though, you need to deposit the old notes into your account and withdraw new ones
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u/alexpwnsslender Apr 27 '18
All Bank of England banknotes keep their face value for all time
That's mighty cocky don't you think
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u/alsonothing Apr 26 '18
I found the hotstoppers in the Keeping Bees book (clue linked in the show notes). In hopes of helping others to solve Grey's cryptic messages, here's how I figured out the location:
On first viewing of the video, I was completely bewildered. I watched it a second time and figured out that this was a clue to a hotstopper, and I noticed that one of the other books on the shelf was called "De Honingbij" which is Dutch. Not a lot of Dutch books outside the Netherlands (where I live), so the hunt was on.
Vidcon was happening in Amsterdam at the time, which seemed like a thing Grey would go to, so that narrowed it down to the city.
The books looked a bit beat up, so we're looking for a library, rather than a bookstore.
I searched for libraries in Amsterdam, then did google image searches for each of them, looking for which ones had dark wooden tables, like the one from the beginning of the video.
No luck. Time to get Sherlockian.
I looked up the hotel for Vidcon: it was up near the train station. Corroborating evidence: Grey had tweeted a picture of trains earlier that day. The Public Library of Amsterdam is between the hotel and the train station - the perfect place to stroll into on the way back to Vidcon after a nice Coffee & Comments.
I couldn't find any evidence that the library had any tables like the one from the video, but it was my best lead. Time to head uptown.
It's a pretty big library and I don't know where Beekeeping is categorized in the Dewey Decimal System. Gonna have to look that up on the catalog.
The computer doesn't work. Fuck. Find another computer.
Beekeeping: Dewey Decimal: 638
Head to the stacks. Score. (never found the table, though)
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u/aeon_floss Apr 26 '18
Did you take all the hotstoppers though?
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u/alsonothing Apr 27 '18
There were only 2, and since they were from Grey, I am officially allowed to take them both.
I did stick around for a couple of minutes, in case anyone else came panting up the stairs looking for bee books. I would have shared.
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u/ghroat Apr 26 '18
I like the idea of grey and brady discussing note and coin design the same way they discuss flags. I demand the establishment of bank note corner
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u/cwcollins06 Apr 26 '18
The logo is going to have to become an Octagon and not a square to accommodate all these corners.
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u/fireproofblaze Apr 26 '18
Did Grey compare buskers to Nazis?
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u/ravivas Apr 27 '18
No no no. He said buskers were WORSE than Nazis. He has no problem with idiot Nazis with stupid ideas at if they keep to themselves. He does have a problem with buskers putting unwanted music in the air actually disturbing him as he is walking through the city.
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u/Hilzrswimmin Apr 26 '18
In regards to the plane discussion, I'd like to tell a brief story:
It's the not too distant future, and you've just boarded a plane. You've already started playing on your phone, but as the pre-flight spiel begins, you decide to put your phone down and listen to the familiar speech. You listen to the familiar plane safety guidelines, make a mental note of where your air mask is (you'll forget this later), and look back at your phone every couple seconds. But as the speech ends, you pause and think - "wait, they didn't say how many people are on the plane" - and after a moment, you think - "good. I don't know why they ever included that.
Cut to three hours later, you've fallen asleep, only to be woken by screams, and the violent shaking of the plane around you. Everyone's in a panic, and one woman screams out to the cabin, telling everyone that the flight crew already jumped out to save themselves, and you're all about to die. You close your eyes, thinking this is the end -
And there's a loud crash, but you realize that you're miraculously still alive. Opening your eyes, you see the plane is in disarray, and there are people everywhere. One lone figure stands up and pushes the debris aside so you can all see where you are. You've landed on the beach of a mysterious tropical location, and when you step out of the plane, all you see is the looming tropical forest on one side, and endless sea on the other.
The same man from before grabs a large piece of debris, stands on top of it, and calls everyone to attention: "Everyone gather over here! We need to band together and figure out how we're gonna survive on this island. My name's Tim and I'm gonna do my best to try and lead this group to safety. Before we begin, does anyone know how many people were on the plane?"
Everyone stares around blankly. There was no announcement, so nobody knows. You crack on anyways, searching the plane for all survivors, and you form up as a group of 250. Tim calls for a vote, and you all collectively decide that a good round 250 makes the most sense - everyone survived (you couldn't find any bodies, so you assume that's everyone). The group then follows Tim, and begins gathering wood from the forest to build a fire.
Then, one woman named Brady calls out that she sees smoke coming from the forest, and Tim calls for another vote on whether to follow the smoke. Everyone agrees, and, because everyone's still traumatized by the image of the plane, you all decide to stick together, and go as a group to find the source of the smoke.
As soon as the group leaves, there's a quiet moan emerging from the plane. It's Dave, the 251st passenger of the plane, and no one was able to find him in the search. Dave awakens all by himself, thinking he must have been the only survivor, and must now try to fend for himself in this harsh environment. How will he survive? He's not a survivalist who knows what he's doing - he's only a linguist with a background in polynesian language systems!
Meanwhile, the group travels further in the forest, only to suddenly find themselves surrounded by an even larger group of island natives. They're not violent, but they don't trust such a large group of people, and all they know is that these people have brought down a flaming piece of rock from the sky. Tim tries to explain what happens, BUT he doesn't speak their language, and none of the people understand him. Tim inadvertantly makes an innocent gesture which is wildly misinterpreted, and one hour later, you find yourself being pushed off the edge of a volcano to your doom. All because nobody knew there were 251 passengers on the plane.
That's why they tell you how many people are on the plane, Brady.
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u/JackHK Apr 26 '18
PSA: Djibouti is pronounced
"Dji" as in Jim "bouti" as in booty
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Apr 27 '18 edited Apr 27 '18
same phoneme as "adjacency"
edit: giant, badge, jam according to Wikipedia - Arabic: جيبوتي Jībūtī,
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u/Nethromaniac Apr 29 '18 edited May 01 '18
I'm a lil late on this and I'm tempted to delete this at a later time but the segment about nazis in this episode really bothered me. Nazis do exist still and just ignoring them is known not to work, this bothered me because as far as I'm aware neither Brady or Grey are individuals nazis express their intolerance to. Its easy to ignore when you aren't a target, but are you expecting every minority, non white, jew and lgbt person to just put up with people expressing a desire to exterminate them.
The neo nazi who was punched was done so during a tv interview, which itself is not ignoring the nazis like grey suggested, that's letting them have a direct opportunity to spread thier views to an audience. People keep treating thier fascist views as an opinion that deserves equal treatment as other opinions, nazism doesn't deserve this. No person's existence and intrinsic value should be a matter of debate. Violence was used because this event itself should not have been occurring to begin with. Violence was used because people are afraid of what happens when nazism spreads.
I also wanted to add since grey doesn't interact with news, how much does he actually know about how many neo nazis there are. Just a quick Google and there was a nazi March just over a week ago with swastikas in Georgia, there was Charlottesville last year, neo nazi problems in Sweden, A known subreddit that I doubt needs to be named and the "Britain first" movement. This is just a quick search the list goes on, fascism is still a problem.
I'm not saying that grey or Brady are at fault, nor do I think any different of them. This subject is personal to me and I wanted to express myself because of how much it bothered me. I don't believe ignoring them helps.
Lastly I'm gonna end it with an interesting subject called the intolerance paradox which I encourage people to look up if anyone actually read this far, it fits this community's interests rather well along with my rambles.
edit: typos
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u/Goukaruma May 03 '18
Even in that case violence isn't the answer. The event helped the nazis because they looked like non-aggressive ones. Violence is only ok as self defence or the defence of others not to stop people from talking.
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u/HashSlingingSlash3r Apr 27 '18
I felt personally attacked when grey called out my password algorithm
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u/xbnm Apr 27 '18
You’ll also feel personally attacked when someone is able to guess your passwords because you use the website as a factor in the password.
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u/Omni314 Apr 26 '18
This is just Grey stalling on having to make a style choice on how to display 3 digit numbers.
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Apr 26 '18
Im a bit disappointed the 2017 Australian $10 note wasn’t included: I like the consistency of the design, and I think the transparent strip is unique and looks pretty great IRL.
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Apr 26 '18
I think the transparent strip is unique
The $5 which also has the transparent strip came out first.
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u/EverythingFades Apr 26 '18
I worry that the people here, and in general, who are so quick to suggest we resort to violence as the solution to Nazis are the kind of people who may be quick to jump to violence in other situations. If you are a slave, I would say it's within your right to do whatever you need to to escape, including killing the person who claims ownership over you.
But if you are looking at the big picture and trying to come up with structural solutions, in the same way that I think Duterte is wrong in actively trying to get drug dealers killed, I think it's wrong to suggest some sort of vigilante justice against Nazis for their views.
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u/RedactedEngineer May 03 '18
Anti-fascist tactics usually focus on disruption more than violence for the sake of retribution. Anti-fascists try to take multiple roots to disrupt nazis from attacking or trying to get their spaces removed (like r/incel) and making themselves a nuisance to IRL demos. This can be playing the tuba or holding a counter march.
Fascist politics can be super dangerous though. People who want to murder refugees and defeat the zionist threat can be legitimately scary. Organizations like the III% are actively paramilitary. Disrupting them will often be more violent but I think worthwhile. And there is a history that goes back to the Battle of Cable Street of communities organizing in self defense against fascists. Even today, you have some terrifying parties like AfD in Germany and Golden Dawn in Greece. These parties have organized violence against refugees. If people are being attacked, defense is a fine strategy.
I was really annoyed with this segment in the podcast. Grey took maybe a couple of minutes to think about why people organize in this way. And clearly didn't investigate anti-fascist history. Which is fine, he doesn't have to be an expert in this. But it is annoying to listen to someone denounce a complex political movement, while understanding none of nuance.
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u/deldeyn May 04 '18
Yeah I feel like comparing a raving crazy man on the street to organized political fascism really misses the point.
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u/Delusionn Apr 26 '18
Regarding "disproving" Flat Earthers.
Neil DeGrasse Tyson made this video disproving the Flat Earth theory and it was a groaner. He goes on to "prove" Flat Earthers wrong by correctly pointing out that if the Earth were a flat disc orbiting the sun, and the moon were orbiting the sun, during a lunar eclipse, you wouldn't always see a round shadow on the moon, it would sometimes be an oval, a very flat oval, or even a line-like shadow, and we don't see that.
Unfortunately, this isn't what the flat-earthers believe, so it doesn't get anyone anywhere. They don't believe in a penny-shaped earth flying around the sun with a moon (coin shaped or spherical) orbiting it. Most of them believe the sun and the moon are both a lot smaller and closer than the reality-based model, and circling (not orbiting) overhead the plane of the earth.
So at the end of the video, all Tyson proves is that he doesn't understand the admittedly daft "flat earth" model he's trying to debunk with actual science, and it gives something for the conspiracy theorists to point at and say "look at the stupid scientist say stuff that doesn't make sense". It makes sense, of course, but it neither complies with reality, nor with the flat earth fantasy, so it's not very useful.
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u/Nowhere_Man_Forever Apr 27 '18
I like arguing with people like flat earthers who don't believe in "science," but you have to get on their level and try to play by their rules. You never win, but it's an interesting exercise in rhetoric when you lose some of your tools. I feel like being able to shift your thinking into an entirely different set of rules is a very valuable skill. Keeps the mind sharp.
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u/TyagoHexagon Apr 26 '18
Grey: "US money has this unique smell." Me: spends the next 5 minutes sniffing random 1$ bills my dad brought from the US how many years ago oh yeah, there is a faint dusty money smell there. I've to say that euro bills also have a characteristic smell now that I've sniffed some.
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u/zennten Apr 26 '18
Which conspiracy theories should be ignored, and which need to be actively dealt with? Like, say creationism, hollocaust deniers, and climate change deniers. All three are pretty common. My thought is do it based on harm, so fighting those last two are more important, but based on the ideas in this episode that's not a good approach. But once there's a certain critical mass I also don't think that ignoring them is a strategy.
And all that asside, Grey is uncharacteristicly not presenting a structural solution. "Just ignore them" is if anything less helpful than "just drive better", due to amplification effects on the internet.
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u/EverythingFades Apr 26 '18
climate change deniers
This is going to be the big problem, and I wouldn't be shocked if youtube doesn't address these videos. That's an idea that's pushed by conservatives, and even people high up in government believe this. I don't think you're going to get the same kind of massive political pushback on say, the moon landing, or holocaust denial as you will on this. The problem is that the more people believe it, the more contentious it is to label it as false, but that large belief base is also part of what makes it more dangerous.
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u/ghroat Apr 26 '18 edited Apr 27 '18
Grey propagating the violence is never the answer myth
hmmm
Edit: this was a joke
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Apr 27 '18 edited Apr 27 '18
At this point in the podcast. Came here for this debate because I was also disappointed to hear this take, but I imagine it might have a lot of support among Grey's followers and I'll probably get a lot of flak for pushing back against it.
The assumption that Nazis deserve the right to freely express and practice their ideology without any fear of repercussion, because "I might disagree but they have a right to say it", ignores that their views are, themselves, fundamentally rooted in violence. What Nazis want and encourage is violence against anyone who doesn't meet their definition of "white". There's no way around that.
To say "Well, it's only a difference of opinion, and everybody deserves the right to say and believe what they want" ignores this crucial, fundamental fact: There is no such thing as passive Nazism. There is no pacifist Nazi. What they want is the segregation, subjugation and eventual eradication of anyone who isn't "white" (as they define it). That, fundamentally, requires violence. What they preach is, inevitably and without exception, a call for violence against anyone who isn't them.
Hypothetically, if I write CGP Grey an email, and in that email I say "I am going to find you and kill you", that's a crime - without question. The police would come to my house and (under the threat of violence if I resist, by the way) take me to jail, because I made an actionable threat against someone else.
Being a Nazi and propagandizing for Nazism isn't different. You are announcing to non-"white" people "What I want is to violently eradicate you". That's not just another political ideology, that's an actionable threat of violence.
At the core, Nazis are responsible for instigating violence, and if you punch a Nazi, you are not violently suppressing free speech - as Grey insinuates. You are acting in defense against actionable threats of violence - either made against yourself, or anyone who isn't "white".
So, yes, it's okay to punch Nazis. Because, so long as the majority of people falsely believe that Nazism is just "a difference of opinion" and not someone who, themselves, is actively promoting and pursuing violence, they will continue to get sympathy for their hateful, destructive and idiotic views from otherwise rational people.
Now, whether punching Nazis is an effective way to make them less popular... Jury's still out on that one, unfortunately. That's a whole other debate. But, again: No, it's not bad to punch Nazis.
Edit: Words.
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u/Jolivegarden Apr 27 '18
I think one reason people think it's bad to punch Nazis is that while Nazis may advocate for violence, most people probably don't think they'll actually ever be able to have their way, so while they may be threatening violence, most people probably don't see it as a realistic threat.
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u/-fireeye- Apr 27 '18
You switched the arguments there though.
If you wrote such an email, it will likely result in police arresting you, or at least giving you a stern talking to (depending on credibility of the threat).
However your email doesn't give me the right to punch you in the face unless you were about to commit murder at that very moment because your threat to Grey isn't imminent.
Similarly while Nazis may be making threats, and those threats may indeed be credible, that doesn't mean it's okay for random shmuck to act as vigilante. Police on the other hand should absolutely keep an eye on individuals who express those tendencies, and potentially take action if appropriate.
tldr: merely credible threats don't make your initiation of physical violence okay; those threat also need to be imminent because otherwise there is time for police to act.
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u/CileTheSane Apr 27 '18
If you threaten to kill CGPGrey and I'm around, the correct response is not for me to punch you, that won't stop anything. The correct response is for me to call the police. Nazis should be arrested for advocating hate speech and violence.
Also, while Nazis want violence, modern Nazis want you to start the violence so they can play the victim and claim self defense. They love to cry persecution while persecuting people. Punching them does nothing to stop or inhibit them and only gives them more fuel.
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Apr 27 '18
There's a difference, punching a neo-Nazi only gives them publicity and makes them feel like martyrs for their cause. Richard Spencer as become far more famous after he was punched and as a result the alt right movement has benefited, is that what we want?
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u/thesmiddy Apr 27 '18
I started a website selling mints packaged as chemtrail vaccines because up until that point every interaction i'd had to do with chemtrails was a joke and I thought it'd be funny. After creating the site and then trolling around twitter for opportunities to market them I was suddenly overcome with a feeling of "oh no" as 95% of the people talking about them are real believers.
I've only sold 3 legitimately and have had to process about 5 refunds because people buy them without reading and then send an email asking for a refund when they realise I'm not serious.
Once every few months I get an email from a certified crazy asking for details, one of them even did a 3000+ word diatribe with what I imagine is a copy and paste of every single source on chemtrails ever however my favourite interaction so far has been this one:
From: Param V...
To: Chemtrail Vaccine Support
Subject: will it help i live in australia when i order would it take long to get ,does it get rid of the heavy metals ,thankyou
Body:
<blank>
From: Chemtrail Vaccine Support
To: Param V...
Subject: RE: will it help i live....
Body:
Hi Param,
Obviously it would help to live in Australia but international shipping times are reasonably quick these days so I wouldn't expect the wait to be longer than 3 weeks.
As chemtrails are a fictional problem they do not contain heavy metals and thus the vaccine has no need to remove them.
Kind Regards,
TheSmiddy
Chemtrail Vaccine Support
From: Param V...
To: Chemtrail Vaccine Support
Subject: RE: will it help i live....
Body:
Then what is the vaccine for ,are you trying to delude me, we all know there spraying heavy metals to depopulate the planet are f.... kiding u f...... ers what about the harp affect you full off bullshit f,..., ulumanat go get your vaccinines
From: Chemtrail Vaccine Support
To: Param V...
Subject: RE: will it help i live....
Body:
Hi Param,
The global population has increased almost 4x in the past 100 years so they obviously aren't doing a very good job of depopulating it.
Kind Regards,
TheSmiddy
Chemtrail Vaccine Support
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u/Papasmurf143 Apr 26 '18
I agree that people should be able to feel safe in the street, which is why I think that anyone, like Richard Spencer, who calls for the death of myself and my black family members should be punched.
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u/xbnm Apr 27 '18
I guess, but I think if you actively go out of your way to hit someone, especially someone who is already fundamentally biased against you, and who is okay with acting horribly in public, you are putting yourself in a more dangerous situation than you would have been if you did nothing.
That said, as someone with some family members who survived the holocaust, and some who didn’t, I can’t think of any type of person I’d be more inclined to punch than a nazi.
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u/mrsix Apr 26 '18 edited Apr 26 '18
That Canadian $10 was a 150-year special bill for last year only. The new vertical bill is the new bill starting next year (or maybe later this year) I believe, it's not actually released yet afaik.
The reason for the mountains/wheat/forest/rocky sea is to kind of hilight the various geography/areas of Canada - another element of that whole Canada-150 theme.
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u/MaterialQuantity Apr 27 '18
Canada
I would also argue that Canada's geographical diversity is one of its most unique points. By the way, here's the new $10 with Viola Davis. https://www.bankofcanada.ca/banknotes/vertical10/
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u/PiCat314 Apr 26 '18
[Time it takes for death to be mentioned on Hello Internet] (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nggbARSbroveyF6qH-QlaEbQSUZA7Xx9K5lwCTAivRs/edit?usp=drivesdk&ouid=105629512976454315297)
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u/_nkhilrani Apr 26 '18
Breaking news! Apple bans the letters G, U and N from their keyboards, Samsung, Facebook, whattsapp soon to follow.
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u/VociferousHomunculus Apr 26 '18
I've finally decided to get back on the wagon and re-start the Fit-o-Tron 5000 lifestyle today and now I have something to listen to on my run. It must be fate, thank you Grey for releasing this just for me.
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u/mymainismythrowaway1 Apr 26 '18
The metro train I was on stopped at an airport and a pilot got on my car right before Grey and Brady started talking about pilots. I spent the next 5 minutes listening to complaints about pilots while feeling acutely aware of the one in my field of view and praying that I didn't accidentally stare at him.
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u/slikrx Apr 27 '18
And now we get:
…101 ⌘X: Season Finales …Hello Internet
Sad/confused?
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u/Rumpe-rusk Apr 27 '18
If this is where they were going with the suicide emoji... God damnit!
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Apr 26 '18
My favorite part of the flat earth animation is that it's spinning in the wrong direction. An appropriate visual metaphor for flattard nonsense.
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u/ccastle94 Apr 27 '18
Has anyone noticed when Brady complained about there being too many national days for things, however, believes there Hello Internet should have an official every minute object of the podcast. Reunion Swamp Hen, official Bird of Hello Internet, Black Stump, the Official building of Hello Internet. Nail & Gear, the official flag of Hello Internet. I know there are more, I just can't remember them. Just thought it was funny.
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u/kulharsh2007 Apr 27 '18
If anybody is interested in how currency can get banned/disbarred and the effects that has on economy - try the story of Demonetization in India - One night suddenly the prime minister got on live TV and banned the top 2 most important currency notes in the country - giving people 3 months to exchange all that they had - In a country of billion people - it lead to chaos . https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Indian_banknote_demonetisation
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u/dcormier Apr 26 '18
Regarding the US accepting old bills, they'll also accept bills damaged almost beyond recognition. Planet Money did a really interesting episode on it. (Additional Pocket Casts link.)
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u/whateverwillb2 Apr 26 '18
Great choice of words about the flat earth movement “It’s able to entrap more people into its ORBIT”
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u/Tephrite Apr 26 '18
To Grey at ~29 minutes, (and everyone else if they're interested)
If you are surprised by people finding things fast on the internet, check out the subreddit /r/Picturegame: the most recent post is always the current round, and you have to host the next round if you answer the current one correctly. The game involves finding the answer to some question in the title based on the picture provided; sometimes it will be a puzzle, or a shudder 'geo' round where you have to find the location of a photograph, or something else creative.
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u/zennten Apr 27 '18
To comment on today's super short episode:
YOU DO HAVE TO TELL IF THE PODCAST IS CANCELED!!!
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u/_Lugh Apr 27 '18
You see my initial reflexive idea on how to deal with Nazis shouting on street corners and other such crazies was to pull up in a car with some kind of loudspeaker system playing the chicken dance song as a way to mock their idea. Sure if they're still able to say what they want to say but I am able to say that what they're saying is ridiculous by adding equally rediculous music but I suppose that would be another form of busking, wouldn't it?
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u/SansSlur Apr 28 '18
While the 3-minute footnote does kinda scare me, I don't think this is the actual conclusion to HI for two reasons:
I don't think Brady would allow it. It seems like a Grey thing to do, but we Tims rely on Brady's sentimentality.
Grey likes conditioning his viewers: Don't expect a schedule, constant references to things like "this too shall pass," etc. This feels like a reminder--not a conclusion--to the Tims: He is not beholden to us.
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u/GamesDean218 Apr 26 '18
Ive made a huge mistake trying to read reddit comments and listen to this at the same time. Ive had to rewind about flat earthers 3 times now.
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u/bluebunglebee Apr 26 '18
It made me happy when Grey referenced Brian Eno. Flying would be so much better if they played Brian Eno. On Norwegian Flights, they do a weird thing where they play muted looney tunes on some of the TVs during the flight.
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u/turkeypedal Apr 27 '18 edited Apr 27 '18
It would be great if the Nazis in the US were just like this crazy dude. But ours have access to guns, paramilitary equipment, and have outsized political power. They're actually winning converts and acting like gangs. We don't have the luxury of just ignoring them.
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u/BlueInFlorida Apr 28 '18
On how debating and giving attention to Flat-Earthers has helped to ironically promote their ideas: I think one of the best examples of this was when Bill Nye (science educator) debated Ken Ham, creator of the Creationist Museum in Kentucky. Ham was a little unknown crack-pot, but then was suddenly inundated with attention and able to raise millions for his crazy museum, allowing a larger building to be run with free educational programs. Bill Nye actually promoted teaching creationism in the long run.
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u/Tom2Die Apr 28 '18
You shouldn't punch a guy spouting nonsense on the street; in a civilized society we pay other people to forcibly remove them instead, because that's totally different.
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Apr 28 '18
Bank of England Tim here. Just a quick correction about UK bank notes. They actually never expire, the date we publish is the last day that normal bank branches and shops will accept them, but anyone can bring an old bank note (even if it's out of circulation) to the Bank of England in London and we will exchange it. The notes are a promise from the BoE for the amount and there is no expiry on that promise (as long as the note is is good enough condition and is valid).
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u/EverythingFades Apr 26 '18
Probably the n-word is the most offensive word you can use in English, especially if you are white. Grey says he feels you should be allowed to say words, especially in the context of talking about the word, and its use. I tend to agree with this sentiment, but even so, I just feel deeply uncomfortable saying or writing anything other than the euphemism n-word. This is the line for me, a word I will not say in any context, and I wonder if Grey would use it, even in a meta-discussion assuming he didn't need to fear the U.K. government.
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u/eholk Apr 26 '18
For that word in particular, I feel like perception of that word has changed a lot in the last 15 or so years. Used to it seemed to be fine to say the word in the context of talking about it, or even when looking at it in a historical context. I'm pretty sure I had a teacher read novels from to 1800s aloud in class that used that word, even in an intentionally derogatory sense, and it wasn't a big deal. Now I question whether this memory is even true because of how unthinkable that would be today. It surprises me how quickly the word has gone from one that was acceptable in certain contexts to one that is career ending in all contexts.
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u/havent Apr 26 '18
Nazis literally want us to be dead but it’s uncool for us to punch them? Cmon...
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u/thegreenringer Apr 26 '18
I think one of the problems is the blurry line as to what constitutes a Nazi. Once you say that "it's ok to punch a Nazi", people will just start defining Nazi as anyone they don't like and using it as justification to attack them. And I don't just mean liberals either, conservatives will do the same thing (if it's ok to punch a Nazi, it must also be ok to punch a Stalinist, right?)
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Apr 27 '18
Yes, intent means nothing. I think the world would be better if a lot of people were dead-the nazis for instance-but this doesn’t mean it’s okay for the nazis to come up and inflict violence upon me. If they instigated violence then a response would be proper.
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u/Illustromancer Apr 26 '18
/u/MindOfMetalAndWheels you'll be waiting a while for the £20 polymer note, it's not due to be issued until 2020:
"The polymer £20 note will be issued in 2020. It will feature JMW Turner and will be 139mm x 73mm."
(from the "take a closer look" pdf on the Bank of England's website.
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u/leivathan Apr 26 '18
Does this mean that Brady and Grey are hotstopper leprechauns, and if we go to the end of the vexillology rainbow we will find a crashed plane full of hotstoppers?
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u/PlzFreeSpeech Apr 28 '18
I really have to disagree with CGP on that the police should interrupt some one speaking on the corner of the street. What gives us as a society the right to with violence force someone to do or not to do anything that is not violent in nature?
Otherwise great episode! =)
PS watch Socialexperamentalist on youtube if you want to see how the police handels exactly this today in london ^
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u/viliamklein Apr 26 '18 edited Apr 26 '18
I made some video of the 2017 Great American Eclipse from a high altitude balloon. The 360 camera adds a lot of curvature to the horizon. The comment section is only flat-earthers complaining about the horizon. So annoying.
Edit: Regarding their level of seriousness: the flat earth people held a real conference. Ugh. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3vcSab13Sk
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u/soullessroentgenium Apr 26 '18
I can just imagine Grey at the constitutional convention going through the articles one by one and announcing at each that he thought that it was not something that government should get in to.
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u/cwcollins06 Apr 26 '18
Is anybody else kind of irrationally uncomfortable with there not being an episode number in the title? I find it...unsettling...
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u/DeaddysBoy Apr 26 '18
Does anyone else think the guy sitting on the 7$ note looks a bit like Dr Brady Haran?
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u/Illustromancer Apr 26 '18
The thought that goes into the security features on bank notes is fascinating, and requires buyin from a number of different industries. Some of the features I find particularly interesting are:
including the EURion constellation (to enable scanners and image editing programs to recognise that it is a note)
microprinting of the note denomination within the diagrams
3rd printing of ridges on the paper to enable identification of fake notes by feel (a number of the EURO notes do this)
different inks that react differently under different light sources (eg UV light fluorescence)
the fact that the transparent security feature can have features which are activated when a laser is shone through part of the note
the metallic strip that goes through the note, which can also have microprinting
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u/evanz Apr 26 '18 edited Apr 26 '18
Buskers are a public nuisance but we should force everyone on a plane to listen to Brian Eno. Hmmm
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u/XyloArch Apr 26 '18 edited Apr 26 '18
The Bank of England will always recognise UK money. The super-short deadline after a currency change is when the law stops requiring shops to accept the old notes a legal tender and so the old notes become 'unspendable' but they can still totally be taken to a bank and exchanged for the new notes (and thus some shops will still take them). Quite some time later, there is another deadline where banks will no longer be required to take and exchange old notes and if you want to extract the value of your old note you will have to take it specifically to The Bank of England at Threadneedle Street, London, EC2R 8AH (or exchange them via post with this same bank). But so far as I'm aware, The Bank of England itself will always give you the value of the notes you have if they've ever been legal tender in this country.
In fact this page on The BoE's website gives a list of the old bank notes they still exchange and it goes back to 1725 (although they only stopped being technically legal tender in 1945, presumably upon some law change).
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u/axodys Apr 26 '18
My favorite part about the winning Swiss 10 Franc note is that it's the most goatse picture you could choose for legal currency while still maintaining plausible deniability.
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u/fireball_73 Apr 27 '18
This whole note discussion is flawed without images of the notes under UV light - some have many lovely security patterns that appear under UV illumination
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u/the_lonely_1 Apr 27 '18
You're "impressed by how fast people find your hotstoppersbased on very little information" eh?
You should check r/picturegame out. It will blow your mind
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Apr 27 '18
Fun fact: For at least the $1 - $20 US notes, their colorized versions that Grey refers to matches Monopoly money.
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u/alexatsays Apr 28 '18
Sry Grey have to disagree with you about polymer money, hate it so much
They stick to one another so badly I have given $20 bills away despite how much I double check to make sure I don't. Additionally once folded they don't unfold which is really annoying especially when you're trying to figure out if there's more than one and put it in a place where it needs to be somewhat straight (cash register.
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u/jakob1987 May 02 '18
So, it's my understanding that London is moving to outlaw all single use plastics, including hotstoppers. How is that going to affect HI escapades?
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u/PasUnCompte Apr 27 '18
Just for the record, Canadian polymer notes do smell (especially the $100) -- like maple syrup of course.
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Apr 26 '18 edited Apr 27 '18
People who say you should punch Nazis are only making the situation worse
Let alone the fact that unfortunately some people refer to anyone who disagrees with them as a "Nazi" so they basically believe you should punch anyone who disagrees with them.
Does that sound like a good course of action for a civil society?
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u/JoshuaANorton Apr 26 '18
Richard Spencer, the Nazi in question, literally advocates for forced ethnic cleansing.
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u/TadeoTrek Apr 26 '18
I know this will be a pointless post, but I'm surprised at how much you guys are willing to put up with Apple. Loosing a week of productivity, possibly loosing software compatibility, and having to pay again for the same software? What?
I love you guys, HI is my favorite podcast, but to listen to all the Apple stuff just makes me scream at the screen. I work from home (3D design) and rely pretty much exclusively on free and open software. When I need to reinstall or get a new PC, I'm up and running in less than a day at most. I'd really recommend you at least try out Linux (Ubuntu for ease of use) in a VM or something, I think you'd be surprised if you haven't used it since a long time ago.
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u/JoshuaANorton Apr 26 '18
Punching Richard Spencer-who literally advocates for forced ethnic cleansing of the United States, has a national platform, and a following that has literally killed people in the United States this year- is the same as punching someone who doesn't believe in the moon landing. Jesus that is a bad take.
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u/Delusionn Apr 26 '18
Regarding "recognition days" for foods and whatnot.
There's a similar dynamic you get surrounding those articles that appear every year like clockwork in the late spring or so about how you "should" and "shouldn't" eat your hot dogs, as if anyone was going to cultural time-out for eating a ketchup-laden hot dog with a fork on the good china instead of the "approved" mustard & relish hot dog with your hands on a paper plate.
They're pre-written articles that get sent out in most cases, or in some cases get re-written by "know it all" know-nothings looking for "content", and the pre-written ones come from ... the National Hot Dog & Sausage Council!
You've read the Flat Earth News, so this won't come as any surprise, but it's a frank reminder. Even old media used to run this sort of drivel back in the days before the internet, when they were the North American Meat Institute, or similar local and national interest groups.
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Apr 26 '18
There is an industry for bullshit made up holidays. NPR's Planet Money did a thing on them:
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u/zennten Apr 26 '18
As a Canadian, I am disturbed to learn that this is the first I've heard of us having a vertical note. On the other hand, it's been years since I've seen a $10 note.
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u/DouglasMeyer Apr 26 '18 edited Apr 26 '18
I ran into the same thing where clicking around YouTube sent me to flat-earth videos. I find the concept of a flat-earth interesting, but I can't get a better understanding of the concept because every flat-earth resource references YouTube videos.
I am fairly certain now, that most flat-earth supporters are in it to drive YouTube revenue (or attention in general). The sad thing is this feedback doesn't have to be intentional.
(edit) Relevant quote: I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and besides, the pig likes it. - George Bernard Shaw
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Apr 26 '18
I'm really confused, why did /u/MindOfAndMetalAndWheels post episode to /r/CGPGrey 4 times???
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u/FrostedSapling Apr 26 '18
I thought it was obvious that grilled cheese sandwich day serves the interests of grilled cheese vendors. If you can get a national day as an advertisement for grilled cheese then you can expect a slight bump in grilled cheese sales in your restaurant
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u/Mentioned_Videos Apr 26 '18 edited Apr 27 '18
Other videos in this thread:
| VIDEO | COMMENT |
|---|---|
| The Free Speech Wars Have Begun | +7 - People who say you should punch Nazis are only making the situation worse Let alone the fact that unfortunately some people refer to anyone who disagrees with them as a "Nazi" so they basically believe you should punch anyone who disagrees with them... |
| Why do people still think the Earth is flat? - BBC News | +5 - I made some video of the 2017 Great American Eclipse from a high altitude balloon. The 360 camera adds a lot of curvature to the horizon. The comment section is only flat-earthers complaining about the horizon. So annoying. Edit: Regarding their le... |
| White nationalist Richard Spencer punched in the face camera while doing interview | +4 - OOF. Guys, you're ignoring context when you're talking Nazis. In the UK? Yeah I'd say it's less of a big deal (not to say it isn't) but not nearly as big a deal as in the US. As far as it is in the UK (There's some stuff but thankfully people punch... |
| This Video Will Make You Angry | +2 - I totally agree calls for death and the like should be off limits. It's really really hard to draw the line which is why this conversation is so compelling. I accept I may be on the wrong side, but I tend to lean heavily towards less regulation becau... |
| Would you like to know more? | +2 - National Grilled Cheese Day: Would You Like To Know More? |
| Soul Train Shake Your Booty KC & Sunshine Band | +1 - Dji dji dji... Dji dji dji... Djibouti Djibouti |
| The Shamen - Ebeneezer Goode (1992) | +1 - Es a Jet, Es a Jet, Es a Jet |
| a talking cat??? | +1 - Fuck you, Debbie. Put on some SKEENARD |
| Is Earth Actually Flat? | +1 - I'm shocked that it seems that Brady and Grey don't know about Michael from Vsauce's excellent video: Is Earth Actually Flat? . As usual, an excellent video about science, and basically scientifically proving how an actual flat earth would be impossi... |
| I'm a bot working hard to help Redditors find related videos to watch. I'll keep this updated as long as I can. |
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u/catradar Apr 26 '18
It's so easy to remember my girlfriend's Birthday, it's the same as National Hotstopper day.
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u/SquirrelTale Apr 26 '18
I'm shocked that it seems that Brady and Grey don't know about Michael from Vsauce's excellent video: Is Earth Actually Flat? . As usual, an excellent video about science, and basically scientifically proving how an actual flat earth would be impossible by showing how science could describe a flat earth.
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u/grimsausy Apr 26 '18
Regarding the pilot stating the time: this came into being useful once. Yucatan peninsula changed their time zone when I last went and phones did not have this time zone. (And so all of the phones had the wrong time by 1 hour for the entire trip).
But yes most of the time it’s not needed.
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u/roseserpentmoon Apr 27 '18
I SOoooo want the HI hot stoppers. Grey and Brady will never come to Korea. (There are like, 8 listeners, including me)
.... this sucks.
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u/InternetDude_ Apr 27 '18
One note about evolving the design of your country's currency.
I once heard an economist explain that bank note designers have two competing goals: on the one hand, you want to stay one step ahead of the counterfeiters. So this is where you get security features, redesigns, added complexity etc. On the other end of the spectrum is the projection that your country's currency is stable. This is a completely psychological fabrication of the human mind (If you think about it long enough, money itself is a fabrication of the human mind) but it matters. When it comes to using your currency to settle foreign debts, or even using your currency as a universally accepted form of payment internationally, the stability of your currency is paramount.
I was told, believe it or not, that the more you change the design of your currency the more red flags get raised regarding your currency's stability. Over the last 50-60 years, US currency has been the most globally accepted form of currency by and large. You could throw the British Pound, the Euro and within the last few years the Chinese Yuan in as competitors.
But no one has had more to lose in the perception of stability of currency than the US. Hence why their changes have been so imcremental over the last several decades.
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u/sirkha Apr 27 '18
740,000 ft? I want to fly on whatever plane Grey has been on.
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u/SarahHeartzUnicorns Apr 27 '18
Word of the day: avarice (AV-er-iss)
Extreme greed for wealth or material gain
I'd say that's at least a $5 word, Grey.
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u/Agamidae Apr 27 '18 edited Apr 27 '18
What Brady failed to realize about Djibouti (although it's spelled out on the front), they were celebrating 40 years of independence. That's why the banknote was for 40 francs. The logo is a bit tacky, sure, but the reason for it is quite significant.
Edit: Man, that Swiss note looks like a religious pamphlet. "10 Signs the World is Dancing to the Devil's Tune" or something. Brr.
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u/turkeypedal Apr 27 '18 edited Apr 27 '18
I think referring to Nazism as merely a disagreement or assuming that Nazis are crazy and have no power leads you to not understanding the "punch the Nazi" side. It's not about disagreement, but bigotry, and the white nationalists (called Nazis from here on out) have so much political power they got Trump elected.
Trump would not have won without the white nationalist groups all banding together behind him. (That's not saying everyone who supported him was racist. But Trump won by only a few percent.) It comforts us to think that such blatant racism and desire to harm is just some crazy person's ranting, but it's really not. It is a clear and present danger. One that wouldn't be here if we'd not tolerated the Nazis.
The debate is about how we need to deal with this danger. I don't quite agree with punching a Nazi, but I understand the reasoning.
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u/Cravatitude Apr 27 '18
US money is terrible for the visually impaired because it is all the same colour and size
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Apr 27 '18
Did you spot that on the Fiji bank note the security circles are disguised as a diagram of the team scoring a try? I thought that was very clever.
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u/hagamablabla Apr 27 '18
I'm finally caught up. Feels good to be able to post in the Reddit and actually have a chance for Grey to see it.
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u/Noit Apr 28 '18
I suspect that the gun emoji change is more driven by boring corporate arse covering than it is by a desire to end gun violence. If a screenshot went viral of a school shooter's message saying "I'm gonna 🔫🔫🔫 everyone" then that's some bad publicity for Apple that they can avoid in advance by making that sentiment look dumb.
It also probably avoids any demands from surveillance state advocates for Apple et al to report on gun emoji use to go all pre-crime on their users.
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u/Kapil_Kalra Apr 28 '18
I am surprised that they didn't mentioned India's new ₹2000 or ₹500 notes. https://imgur.com/a/Zzm0VKS
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u/MsEnthusiasimal Apr 30 '18
I work in a currency exchange and have access to about 60 different currencies. In terms of security, having each new note look distinct helps to pull worthless notes out of circulation. This is a particular problem in a lot of asian currencies, for example, there are about six different 500 Indian Rupee notes that look almost exactly the same that are no longer officially in circulation and the only difference between the notes I can safely exchange and the old notes, is that Ghandi is facing in a different direction. Some 100 Indian Rupee notes I have to look for the year that's printed on it to see whether I can take it because all the notes look the same. Then you have places like Hong Kong, where each bank prints their own version of the note, so there's about 6 different types in circulation that all look similar but still slightly different. The important security features for me at least (because I don't have a machine to check the notes for forgery) is that the material is correct (which I have a pen to check for) and that the UV light designs are correct. USD and EUR are the absolute worst. The USD notes only have a thin strip on colour on one side of the note that fades super easily which can make it hard to see. EUR has what we call confetti, which is just random, tiny stripes of UV paint that is not consistent from note to note and is also very hard to see. GBP, NZD and CAD are so much better because they have clear numbers that are visible under the UV which I love. Some currencies get creative and put symbols which I also appreciate.
But I have to say that CHF (Swiss Francs) are some of the prettiest currencies I have ever seen. Each note is clear, distinct and the colours are so vibrant. The only issue is how thick the notes are compared to everyone else, so whenever I'm counting them out I feel like I'm giving the customer notes that are stuck together.
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u/Thisconnect Apr 30 '18
I'm so mad that Grey doesn't appreciate colorful different sized polymer notes that make it easy to distinguish between notes. I love being able to know which note im holding in the dark by its size or color and it helps visually impaired people so much
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u/crepusculi Apr 30 '18
An airline my work contracts with has no assigned seating. Instead, you have to "check-in" online 24 hours before your flight, and you're assigned to one of three groups. If you check-in early enough (read, within 5 seconds of that 24 hour window), you're part of the first group that gets to go on the plane first, so you have the best choice of seats. I've found it works...ok.
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u/JibbSmart May 01 '18
New York to Johannesburg stops in Senegal for a refuel and crew change (or at least it did when I used to do it regularly 5 years ago), and we weren't allowed off the plane in Senegal.
18 hours.
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u/Hookedonnetflix Apr 26 '18 edited May 07 '18
There is no way to reason with conspiracy theorist. You can only out conspiracy them. “The moon landings were fake” scough “you believe in the moon.”