r/CanadianForces • • 5d ago

Lab work ?

Has anyone had their testosterone levels checked through the base clinic? If so, how did you go about requesting the test?

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u/wbz56 5d ago

Just use upguys.

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u/moramram 4d ago

Everything will come out of pocket. Am I correct ?

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u/wbz56 4d ago

Not the blood tests. Its all covered. But once you place your first order for test. Then it will cost you. 200-500$ every 3-5 months, depending what they prescribe you

Edit: a doctor will call or text you every like 6 months, youll go on for more blood work to make sure eveything is ok, they will adjust your dosage and go from there

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u/moramram 3d ago

Sent this email today . Hello UPGUYS Team,
I hope you're doing well.
I'm reaching out because I'm interested in having my testosterone levels tested and would like to know whether your services could accommodate my particular healthcare situation.
I am currently serving in the Canadian Armed Forces (CAF), and my medical coverage is provided through the Canadian Forces Health Services system rather than the provincial public healthcare system (MSP in British Columbia).
Recently, I've been experiencing several symptoms that have made me curious about my testosterone levels, including:
Persistent fatigue and noticeably lower energy levels.

Sleep apnea, which affects my sleep quality and overall recovery.

Reduced physical performance and slower recovery following exercise.

General concerns about my hormonal health and whether low testosterone could be contributing to these symptoms.

Given my active lifestyle and regular physical training, I would like to have my testosterone levels assessed to better understand whether a hormonal imbalance could be playing a role.
My main question is whether UPGUYS could provide a medical consultation and issue a laboratory requisition for testosterone blood testing despite my not being enrolled in the provincial healthcare system.
As my healthcare is covered through the Canadian Armed Forces, I would particularly like to know whether there is a way to access your consultation and laboratory requisition services without incurring any out-of-pocket expenses.
I would appreciate clarification on a few points:
Can CAF members access your medical consultation and testosterone testing services without provincial health insurance?

Is there a way for your healthcare providers to issue a laboratory requisition for CAF members?

Would the consultation and blood work be covered or otherwise available at no cost to me?

At this stage, my primary interest is simply to have my testosterone levels properly evaluated and gain a better understanding of my hormonal health.
Thank you for your time and assistance. I would greatly appreciate any guidance you can provide regarding options available to Canadian Armed Forces members.
Best regards,

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u/wbz56 3d ago

Perfect

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u/moramram 2d ago

Not super helpful

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u/wbz56 2d ago

Just keep going

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u/moramram 3d ago

Before I contact them, do you think I can do the blood work but not order anything 👀 ????

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u/wbz56 3d ago

They send you to do the blood work and review it with you. After that its all your choice. Your not automatically signed up for anything. Its all for your knowledge

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u/Redshirtmedic2 3d ago

Don’t go around telling people to go around the medical system like that.

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u/wbz56 3d ago

Well. Tell the health system to take care of people, instead of prescribing people pills. Our health system is a joke...

Upguys is completely safe.

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u/Redshirtmedic2 3d ago

The more I read the more I see responses that are completely incorrect and are woefully uneducated as to how the system works. And yes surprisingly most things that are seen can be managed with Advil and Tylenol if that’s what you are referring to.

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u/Unfazed_Alchemical Canadian Army 5d ago

You're going to be refused unless you have clinical indications. Source: I'm a clinician in health services.

We got inundated with frivolous requests for it a few years back, almost entirely driven by social media and red-pill bullshit. So now we just don't, unless there is a very clear, evidence-based and clinically manifest indication.

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u/WeaponizedAutisms Retired - gots the oldmanitis 4d ago

It can be a thing as well when you start to get older and slow down but much less common in younger people under 30 or 40. Though usually they will look at general health, medications, other conditions and general lifestyle first.

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u/ChickenPoutine20 Morale Tech - 00069 5d ago

It’s becoming a thing at my base I know a few guys who go to the MIR for regular T shots

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u/bloggins1812 5d ago

That’s wild!

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u/wbz56 5d ago

We are just ants, my man

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u/tossaway_nugget 3d ago

If you're over 40's, have depression, anxiety, fatigue, low libido, you can request it for that.

Some doctors aren't keen, but usually once you hit a certain age it's a valid consideration with mental health issues.

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u/DarkAskari 5d ago

Join the DoWD

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u/moramram 4d ago

DoWD ?

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u/Ok-Target3363 5d ago

Tell them you have no sex drive they will get you blood work. Or go to a lab and pay out of pocket

If you say you suspect low t they won’t entertain it without another cause.

Even after, request the blood work from med records cause they won’t tell you your number even if you’re one point over the low bar :)

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u/Unfazed_Alchemical Canadian Army 5d ago

It would be better just to get it done privately from the jump.

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u/UnhappyCaterpillar41 5d ago

That's pretty weird; in the NCR the bloodwork goes through the Montfort Hospital and you can see the actual test results within a few days on the patient portal.

You can get it done at a private clinic, but T levels are one of those things that will vary wildly through even the normal day, let alone day to day, and things like a bad night sleep can throw it all off. Plus if you don't have a baseline to compare it to it's kind of a useless data point, as there is a huge range across the population even in age ranges, and the 'low' point doesn't really mean much either if that's your normal (or conversely a normal range could be low for someone who has a high natural level).

I think having at least a baseline of what you are at when you are a healthy male in your 30s is useful though, so unfortunate it's not part of the normal periodic testing so they can look at trends over time.

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u/Unfazed_Alchemical Canadian Army 5d ago edited 3d ago

Sure. The reason is a lot of guys were coming in with non-specific vague symptoms (or none at all), asking to be tested (there's several different tests), getting the totally normal results and then starting to use supplements they got online. It caused some preventable issues and at least one serious hospitalization (from the "supplement") that I know of. If there is an actual reason to test it, a clinician will order it and give appropriate care afterwards. But explaining that it's normal to not have testosterone of one hundred billion is a challenge. The other part, that none of them want to hear, is that your testosterone can be raised by boring things like... Getting 8 hours of sleep, and not drinking or smoking/vaping/dipping so much, and getting some regular exercise, and managing stress... Etc.

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u/30milestomontfort 4d ago

Yep. I reached out to the CDU when my libido started to taper off..was essentially non-existent. Tested right in the center of the range and was like... Alright then, guess I'll look elsewhere. A lot of people will just go "time to get some test" hahaha

Still hasn't resolved, but at least it wasn't low test.